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Willie le Roux has injected new life into the Springbok attack

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sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
10 Jun 2013, 23:43
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10 Jun 2013, 23:43#1

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
10 Jun 2013, 23:48
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10 Jun 2013, 23:48#2

 Willie le Roux has injected new life into the Springbok attack, writes JON CARDINELLI in Hazyview.

There's a new energy in the Bok camp, an infectious feeling of excitement. It may seem an outrageous statement to make after just one game, but the Boks are on the brink of an attacking evolution.

Meyer spoke of this new energy last week. The Bok coach said that Le Roux, Jan Serfontein, and JJ Engelbrecht had injected new life into the Boks' training sessions. He lauded the individuals for their contributions, and also clarified how these contributions had served to inspire some of the more senior players.

One of those senior players was Bryan Habana. When Meyer spoke to the press last Monday, he couldn't contain his excitement. The Bok backline was finally firing, and its most prolific scorer was in white-hot form.

Meyer didn't leave room for speculation. He identified the new players in the squad as responsible for the lift in intensity and accuracy, and went as far as to single out Le Roux as the chief catalyst.

For the first time in ages, the Boks would field a back three that excited the nation as well as the national coach. And how right was Meyer to feel optimistic?

Le Roux enjoyed a great first outing in Bok colours, Bjorn Basson had a hand in two of the five tries, and Habana went on to win the Man of the Match award.

The Habana at Kings Park this past Saturday was reminiscent of the Habana of 2007. Indeed, that try he scored against Italy was almost an exact replica of the one that broke Sharks hearts in the Super 14 final: the same cutback inside, the same straightening, the same acceleration through the gap, and ultimately the same game-breaking result.

Habana is playing with new energy, and Meyer deserves a lot of the credit. The two men have always enjoyed a healthy relationship, with Meyer knowing how to get the best out of the wing.

But Meyer also deserves credit for the selection of his combinations.

Last week, the Bok coach picked a back three that could not only challenge Italy in the air, as per the tried-and-tested kick-chase strategy, but a back three that could ask questions on attack. Clearly the presence of Basson and Le Roux had a positive influence on Habana, and vice versa.

This is not a column of unrelenting praise, nor a declaration that the Boks are the finished article. It's simply a celebration of the fact that the Boks are on the right track, that they are finally embracing the concept of balance.

Uncompromising physicality up front, watertight defence, and a sound kicking game aren't enough to win championships. Attack also needs to be factored into the equation.

It's worth celebrating the Test debuts of Le Roux and Serfontein, and it's worth lauding Engelbrecht's first start at outside centre. All three made positive contributions in their respective individual positions, and all three formed part of an exciting back division that showed a lot of potential as a unit.

What excites me about Le Roux is his ability to sum up the situation immediately. He may have lacked consistency in his application this past Saturday, but his intent was never at fault.

The Boks have missed a fullback of his ilk, somebody who can take the ball to the line and ask questions of the opposition defence. He's been compared to Wallabies flyhalf Quade Cooper, and it's true that he's good enough to be included in the starting line-up purely for his innovation and vision.

But unlike Cooper, Le Roux has the full skill-set. He can be so much more than a dangerous player from broken play, and the development of his other abilities should be encouraged. This will only add to his aura of unpredictability.

His defence cannot be questioned. Le Roux timed his jump perfectly to catch an Italian cross-kick this past Saturday, killing a promising try-scoring movement. He also succeeded in stopping Italy captain Sergio Parisse centimetres short of the South African tryline.

There will be sterner examinations of his ability at this level, just as there will be bigger tests for the Bok backline as a unit. The Rugby Championship is where South African players are judged, and like any other aspiring game-breaker, Le Roux will want to make his mark in that competition.

Meyer wants to stick with the same combination for the coming clash against Scotland, and has said that he wants the back division to settle and build some continuity. Mistakes are a byproduct of the development process, and it appears as if Meyer has now come to terms with the fact.

Le Roux especially needs to be given room to grow. 'If you're not making mistakes, you're not really trying,' he said casually after the Boks' 44-10 win over Italy.

This statement summed up a progressive mantra of a Bok side that's finally starting to take the initiative. There will be risk in the coming months, but as seen by the showing against Italy, there will also be reward.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
10 Jun 2013, 23:50
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10 Jun 2013, 23:50#3

 My sentiments exactly. Willy Leroux popping up all over the place, often as a 2nd flyhalf gave the boks backline lots of options.

Given that the forwards performance was average, the backs looks exceptional. 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2013, 00:12
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11 Jun 2013, 00:12#4
A cross between Campese and Andre Joubert.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2013, 00:49
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11 Jun 2013, 00:49#5
There is a lot of praise of Meyer about his selection of Le Roux - but one wonder whether Meyer would ever have selected Le Roux if circumstances did not force him to do it. Remember he did not invite Le Roux to his first training camp- while all the other potential contenders - inclusive of Kirchner, Taute and Francois Steyn -despite their injuries - were all invited. The mere fact that Kirchner was injured - but would have been fit for the June test - led to the invitation of Le Roux to the second training camp. Kirchner came back just before the squad announcement - he was on the bench but then used as a substitute. He had a shockingly bad performance and even Meyer could not select him until he really was match fit. As a result of the injury situation Meyer was down to only three potential choices at full back - namely Lambie (who does not want to play at full back and has openly said so), Aplon and Le Roux. He chose Le Roux and was very successful on Saturday. In a contribution the beginning of this year I said that there are really only three players that could confirm their candidacy at full back - and one of those three was Le Roux. Everybody then said I was nuts and he was not good enough. Yet now he is the toast of the town - with his performances being lauded on this site by even those that wrote him off before. To be quite frank I think the two most critical comments on my remarks at the time came from Mozart and Saffex - with the normal slurs expected from them - so I wonder why these two fundi could be highly critical then and now they think he is wonderful. Explanation would be sincerely appreciated - bearing in mind that at the beginning of May Mozart still advocated that Steyn should play at full back and Saffex's choice for full back was Taute - despite the latters insignificant form in Super 15 this year and his subsequent injury.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2013, 01:06
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11 Jun 2013, 01:06#6
Oh sure Maaik, you discovered Willie le Roux
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2013, 01:07
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11 Jun 2013, 01:07#7
As for my comments, here is the relevant posting: www.sarugby.com/forum.cfm?threadid=4275 This posting is reproduced below. I expect an apology Oom, that is if you have any integrity at all: Willie le Roux an overlooked weapon? April 01, 2013, 19:07:34 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- At 6'1" and 90 kgs he is nicely set up for a wing. This week he makes the 365 TOW with 94 metre gain and two clean breaks. So why does he never feature in any Bok discussion? This guy is an out and out attacking player. You never hear that he never got any chances....he finds them. His instincts for the flow of play are outstanding, a bit like Campese in a way. Check any game stats and he is always producing. But somehow he doesn't fit, which may be the case, but who knows until he gets a chance? What we do know is, the Cheetahs wouldn't be half the team they are without him.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
11 Jun 2013, 02:06
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11 Jun 2013, 02:06#8

He brings brains to the backline. Suddenly the backs running lines look organised from inside to outside.

Not the creatine crashball style of the likes of Jaco Taute, Zane Kircher etc- where isolation is the name of the game.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2013, 07:52
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11 Jun 2013, 07:52#9
Mozart my comments was not made in April - it was made in late January early February 2013 - long before your April comments and the situation I referred to was the comments made by you and Saffex on my earlier comments. However, as late as end of April and beginning of May you were still saying that Steyn should be the full back of the Springboks. I do not know how to recover my earlier postings - but can distinctly remember that one about Le Roux and also the responses received. I did not discover Le Roux - I merely pointed out that he was a candidate for full back - when everybody else - you included - was really clueless about him. No apology needed in this case - as per normal you were commenting on his one game and me on what he achieved throughout 2012 on Super 15 and CC levels. You may be able to recover my earlier posting on the issue of candidates for Springbok selection in which I named about three candidates for each position and you will find Le Roux's name as one of the three for full back. Only last week you were still writing about him as a wing - not as a full back. What a quack we have here!!!
JE
JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
11 Jun 2013, 08:02
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11 Jun 2013, 08:02#10
How ridiculous, who cares whether who brought the topic of Le Roux into discussion first or whether you mentioned he should play at fullback first. Many people had the same thought including me but there's no need to brag about it like your some sort of hero. Le Roux functioned well into the backline and had an attacking vibe which we really needed at fullback however I expected a better performance from him especially against Italy. Once he does plays against teams in the Rugby Championship it would give us a better indication of whether he can perform against a more competitive team. It does seem that he is kinda vulnerable at the aspect of kicking which is required at times at fullback, attacking is not always the best option, clearance kicking could be a issue. The ABs understands his playstyle and knows how to outplay fullbacks with his attributes so he will need to bring a sense of unpredictability when he does play the ABs at some stage this year. Le Roux should remain at fullback, if Kirchner is still the first choice fullback after his injury we are going to go backwards with no success with our future, it will be a disgrace.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2013, 08:21
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11 Jun 2013, 08:21#11
Lucid You are right of course about the issue - I was just using this to needle Mozart and Saffex a bit as is my normal custom - being right on the issue though as to my earlier postings on Le Roux's potential Springbojk selection. However, if you look at the play of Dagg last year and even players like Beale and O'Connor in the Aussie side - you would find elements similar to Le Roux's performances in their games. It is extremely difficult to defend against an attacking full back and unpredictability makes it worse. Let me explain - there is a difference against what the other players mentioned by me and Le Roux - he is sure to figure in attacking play - but is unpredictable as to what he is going to do - while the others are more predictable and can be contained better. However, as you point out - the true test will be what is going to happen in the Championship tests. I feel positive about it - Le Roux has played on Super 15 level against most of the opposing players that would come into the test scenario and performed as well or better than the potential opponents. Interesting times .
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Jun 2013, 09:19
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11 Jun 2013, 09:19#12

Taute was being pipped by all as the next best Bok 15.

 

Now everyone's claiming to have mentioned Le Roux way back then.

 

Bull friggin shit!!!

 

Like a bunch of old women fighting over knitting.

 

The first person if I recall correctly to actually mention Le Roux was Chubby Dave, and that in itself was a no brainer. There wasn't anyone else decent to select.

 

Sooooooo ladies ... don't get your knickers in a knot.

 

 

JE
JeromeVClub Pro492 posts
11 Jun 2013, 09:22
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11 Jun 2013, 09:22#13

Mike I am not as positive whether Le Roux will do well against a more competitive team like the ABs and Wallabies unless he switches up things with a mix of different fundamentals that is not so predictable, that brings the best out of a player. I don't think he should change is playstyle completely just slightly. People that does understand the game knows what I mean. I disagree that unpredictability makes it worse. When a attacking fullback is under a large amount of pressure it is extremely difficult to attack, the logical thing to do in that situation is to kick. That being said I don't regard Le Roux as a fullback that can kick well like players like Dagg, Beale and O'Connor. If Le Roux plays against a good defensive side or in bad weather conditions he wouldn't be so effective in attack, so he would to have bring a sense of unpredictability in his playstyle by kicking. I think Le Roux is a brilliant attacking fullback but attacking is not always the best option like I've stated before.

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Jun 2013, 09:55
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11 Jun 2013, 09:55#14

You guys are amazing.

 

Give Mr Le Roux a shot ... if you don't mind!!!

 

He has the potential and talent to become an awesome Bok fullback.

 

Bear in mind that not every new blood hits the ground running.

 

Arno Botha did and he's one of very few capable of doing that.

 

Le Roux was good this past weekend. He should be left there for this entire series. He will pick up a lot of confidence and I reckon will become something very special.

 

 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2013, 10:13
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11 Jun 2013, 10:13#15
Cleancut I do not want to get into an argument with you on this one. I was just needling Mozart and Saffex in this case. By the way you are wrong - Saffex never mentioned Le Roux when I said before the Super 15 started that there are in fact three full backs that could prove themselves in Super 15 as candidates for the job. I mentioned Taute and Le Roux as two of those. Saffex and Mozart went ballistic as per normal - with Saffex insisting that Goosen must play at flyalf - Lambie at full back and Taute a center - while Mozart went on about Le Roux having no impact on potential selection. We all know that Kirchner was crap in Super 15 and Taute did not prove himself as a candidate before he was injured as well. Of the three mentioned by me only Le Roux was the remaining one with real credentials fpr selection. Mozart and Saffex started slowly later in the Super 15 season mentioning Le Roux and so did Mozart. However, at no stage that any of those two mention Le Roux as contender for selection before about three weeks ago - when it became the norm. Now please give me the privilege to needle Mozart and Saffex on this one - since I have to put up with a lot of crap from those two. LOL I agree with you entirely about Le Roux being played for the whole series. Where I do not agree entirely is about Arno Botha - he had a vey solid debut - shows promise - but has some way to go before we can say that "he hit the ground running". I am a great Botha fan - but as said experience would help him along and I hope he remains as committed as he is at present. I see him as a better prospect at 8 than Spies and in certain games against certain teams also ahead of Vermeulen - but we of course do not know what Meyer will do in his case.
CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
11 Jun 2013, 10:43
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11 Jun 2013, 10:43#16

 

By all means Mike ... have at it.

 

Mozart seems to be losing his grip these days anyhow ... and Chubby ... well ... the less said about him the better!!

 

 

PO
polyboyClub Pro601 posts
11 Jun 2013, 13:18
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11 Jun 2013, 13:18#17
Le Roux looks a far better option than Kirchiner. Does have a bit of Andre Joubert ish about him, however Joubert was a stellar fullback so wouldn't make comparisons just yet.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2013, 14:25
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11 Jun 2013, 14:25#18
But as thread 4275 posted at the beginning of April shows, I was mentioning Le Roux as a Bok back then, and quite possibly before that. There is a difference between needling and lying. The truth is OOM Maaik, Le Roux was not your man at the start of the S15.....Taute was. You had several nasty arguments with me when I suggested Taute still had to prove his top game fullback credentials. You had him in every Bok team you picked. As for Dave, like myself, I cannot remember him saying one negative thing about Le Roux.....not one. You are a liar old boy....and not a very amusing one.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2013, 15:19
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11 Jun 2013, 15:19#19
Mozart You are talking rubbish here. I did before Super 15 made a list of players that could qualify for Springbok selection depending on their performance in Super 15 this year. I put 3 players in in each position - In the case of full back the three were Le Roux. Kirchner and Taute. I can clearly remember your tirade against Taute and also your comments that Le Roux is not even to be considered because he has no credentials and is a definite non-qualifier. Saffex went on the rampade with his Goosen at flyhalf, Lambie at full back and Taute at center story as was normal in his case. The latter campaign has apparently gone out of the window now. I am not saying that you are a liar - I am saying that you have a selective - and very pertinent one - memory and do not want to remember your initial comments in February about Le Roux - because as per normal you are dead wrong about player potential and identification and don't want to be reminded about your previous mishaps in the relevant regard. Are you still carrying on with your campaign of April/May 2010 about Francois Steyn for full back or has that one now been conveniently forgotten as well? And your equally silly comments about De Jongh not being Springbok material - but that e is good enough to be on the bench? The last is really a joke - a player who is not Springbok material is unfit to be considered as a Springbok bench selection.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2013, 16:10
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11 Jun 2013, 16:10#20

Produce the evidence.....enough hot air.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2013, 16:22
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11 Jun 2013, 16:22#21
HELP PLEASE - CAN ANYBODY HELP ME TO RECOVER A TTHREAD I STARTED IN LATE JANUARY EARLY FEBRUARY THIS YEAR ABOUT POTENTIAL SPRINGBOK CANDIDATES. ADVICE AS TO HOW IT IS TO BE DONE WILL BE SINCERELY APPRECIATED.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2013, 16:52
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11 Jun 2013, 16:52#22

 

 I googled it Maaik.....Willie Le roux Bok candidate. Up popped my posting reproduced above. From you....nothing. Even when I tried clever mike on Willie Le roux. This was a pipe dream old boy.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
11 Jun 2013, 16:52
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11 Jun 2013, 16:52#23

I am allmost certain that I was the first to indentify Le Roux on this board. I cant prove it though, but you refer back to a thread in November last year

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,253 posts
11 Jun 2013, 16:57
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11 Jun 2013, 16:57#24

 If you type this search term into Google-     

Willie Le roux bok candidate sarugby.com

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The oldest post that appears is one from Saffex.

http://www.sarugby.com/forum.cfm?threadid=3304

Fullback: Lambie, Taute and Frans are the only real options.

It would be good to see the two Bulls youngsters in Ulrich Beyers and Visser making an impact.

Willie le Roux is a handy player but might struggle physically at the next level. We need to move on from the solid enough Kirchner. Ludik should have had a look in a few seasons back but its probably too late for him now at 27.

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2013, 17:18
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11 Jun 2013, 17:18#25
RE: Lets hope for a better record in 2013 January 01, 2013, 01:41:21 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sharkbok Ar one stage I gave a much shorter list of candidate for Sprinbok selectiom - stating that virtually all positions will be impated upon by prformance of players in Super 15. I would say that realistically and with due regard to knwon performances in Super 15 and on CC level - the following are the most likely candidates for selection should their Super 15 perfrmances in 2013 justifiy same:- No 15 Kirchner. Taute. Ludick Wings Pietersen, Habana, Mvovo, Rhule, Van den Heever Centers De Villiers, Steyn. Jordaan, De Allende Flyhalfs Goosen. Lambie Scrummies Hougaard, Pienaar, Reinach, Groom Loosies Vermeulen, Spies, Louw, Alberts, Coetzee, Elsradt Locks Etzebeth, Bekker, Kruger. Du Toit, Van der Merwe Props Beast. Du Plessis. Oosthuizen. Kitshoff, Malherbe Hookers Du Plessis, Strauss Some of the incumbent Springboks listed above will have to up their game by as much as 50% to remain in contention - they really were not good enough in 2012. The above posted by OOM Maaik in January........Pop goes the liar Mike's argument that he chose Willie at fullback before the season started.
RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Jun 2013, 17:57
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11 Jun 2013, 17:57#26

Ou Maaik, I went back as far as January 27 but the only threads I found where Willie Le Roux was mentioned were Bok pecking order and Where are the wings?.

 

In both of those posts, Saffex mentions Willie Le Roux as a Springbok prospect and neither you or Moffie mentions Le Roux . . . although Moffie does describe Saffex's selections as "Hardly worth commenting on....close to lunacy really" so if he's trying to pretend he spotted Le Roux early then he's definitely lying again.

 

Quite funny going through the older threads . . . Baboon-ou bragging about the Stompies depth (spot the irony!), SmallCock (aka Boklogic) threatening to punch everyone and Moffie lying in just about every post while calling everyone else liars.

 

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2013, 18:46
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11 Jun 2013, 18:46#27
Oh I am sure you looked so hard RooiAAS, but by accident, you missed this: mozart Status: Rugby Legend Posts: 3558 Willie le Roux an overlooked weapon? April 01, 2013, 19:07:34 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "At 6'1" and 90 kgs he is nicely set up for a wing. This week he makes the 365 TOW with 94 metre gain and two clean breaks. So why does he never feature in any Bok discussion? This guy is an out and out attacking player. You never hear that he never got any chances....he finds them. His instincts for the flow of play are outstanding, a bit like Campese in a way. Check any game stats and he is always producing. But somehow he doesn't fit, which may be the case, but who knows until he gets a chance? What we do know is, the Cheetahs wouldn't be half the team they are without him." You also missed this: Saffex Status: Rugby Legend Posts: 4805 RE: Willie le Roux an overlooked weapon? April 01, 2013, 20:34:51 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Willie is a talent and his best spot is 15. I like his attitude and desire to always make things happen. He is test quality" It would seem there is no record of OOM Maaik saying anything positive about Willie before the S15. And on this thread he actually agrees with Saffex about Willie.......it appears his claim of Saffex saying nothing positive is contradicted by his own earlier posting. And youcouldn't find all this RooiAAS....how incompetent or more likely, how convenient.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
11 Jun 2013, 18:58
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11 Jun 2013, 18:58#28

An outstanding performance. I think the only credit goes to Willie and HM. Looks like an up and coming Andre Joubert.

Good selection...I think Saffex was the guy that gunned for him or was I wrong???

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2013, 19:10
#29
11 Jun 2013, 19:10#29
Read the prior post
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
11 Jun 2013, 19:18
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11 Jun 2013, 19:18#30
I did write a long report on players that could stake their claims for Springbok selection depending on performance in Super 15 and also insist I did mention in that item Willie le Roux as an option. I do not recollect what the heading of the item was. The item I mentioned could have been before 27 January in the slack period earlier in January. In any event - I cannot remember the exact heading of the posting - but can remember the response of Mozart and Saffex. Saffex was on his normal mantra - Goosen must play at flyhalf - Lambie at full back and Taute at center with Francois Steyn obviously at 12. This must be done so as to have places for Goosen, Lambie and Taute in the team - irrespective of in which positions they prefer to play. Mozart responded as he does on any new player mentioned - in his case it is like a red rag to a bull when a new player is mentioned as a potential candidate for selection. I admit that by April Mozart did comment on Le Roux as a candidate - but then went on his Francois Steyn campaign - which went on until his injury in Dunedin. However, it is water under the bridge and I am not going to raise the issue again unless somebody can tell me how to google items written about on this forum. I try and goggle them - but there are large numbers of non-rugby related issue coming up.
GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
11 Jun 2013, 19:27
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11 Jun 2013, 19:27#31

Yes Mozzie Saffex was spot on this one....sometimes he's quite good in selection.

But with "slippery hands" and Kolisi he slipped a bit but still we might one day be proven wrong.

One thing I do agree with him is that Francois Steyn is not spent yet but he needs to get his mind right...that talent he had as a new boy does not go away...I think Frans needs to face a hard truth...like a lot of the talented players that go through psychological trials in their youth. I think Patrick Lambie is facing one at the moment but if I was his mentor I would tell him not to be phased because the older competitor in 10 is performing but glad because it evokes a huge challenge for him to rise up...having said that I'm absolutely sure that he knows that given his maturity for his age and his unselfish spirit.

Anyway I'm glad for Willie and I hope that this is not a flash in the pan...he certainly looks the part.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2013, 20:00
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11 Jun 2013, 20:00#32
Ja sorry to going about this, but liars like Maaik are an irritation, and somtimes you just have to nail them. But that's done for any fair minded person to see, even though he is trying to pretend it didn't happen. Frans Steyn was excellent at 15 in the RWC. Fully fit, he is our best candidate for a brutal AB test. Willie provides a different dimension. Personally I still believe that can also be accessed on the wing.....but I see no reason why we shouldn't develop both options.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
11 Jun 2013, 20:58
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11 Jun 2013, 20:58#33

ladies ladies ladies, chillax please, maybe beeno1 can come in  here and spread some cheer amongst u passionate grumpy lot, :oP

but heres the reality check my rugger mad chums, willie le roux is great, but once the All Blacks come a knocking, its nbt going to matter who wears the No15, wether its willi le roux, taute, david campese and anrdre jouberts secret lab love child, or even wile e coyote, kaapish???
so savour the moment, hold hands and relax. the only question u shuld be answering is if the Boks 15 would like a cigerette to go with that blind fold the All Blacks firing squad will offer them, LMAO, :oD

RO
RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
11 Jun 2013, 21:32
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11 Jun 2013, 21:32#34

"Ja sorry to going about this, but liars like Maaik are an irritation, and somtimes you just have to nail them."

 

Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahaha!

 

Priceless!

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
11 Jun 2013, 21:37
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11 Jun 2013, 21:37#35
Before the season doesn't mean in the midddle of the last season.....OOm Maaik's three fullbacks on January 1 were Taute,Kitchner and Ludik.....end of discussion.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2018, 14:31
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24 Sept 2018, 14:31#36
How's Taute doing?
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2018, 15:16
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24 Sept 2018, 15:16#37

Listen dimness - why don't you get the posting I made in November 2012  when I referred to Le Roux as potential full back and you wanted to have a seizure.  However, your living in the past has no bearing on what is happening at present,

But as per normal you have to get a posting of more than five years ago to discuss what at present is total BS.

But lets raise a point though - why did Le Roux fail in 2015 and was out of contention in 2017?   Fact is the non-existent game plan of Meyer and the BS of Coetzee nearly destroyed him as a player.   So a topical issue to discuss is why is Le Roux back as a top player under Erasmus?   That would bring us to 2018 not living in the past.  

    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2018, 15:16
#38
24 Sept 2018, 15:16#38

Listen dimness - why don't you get the posting I made in November 2012  when I referred to Le Roux as potential full back and you wanted to have a seizure.  However, your living in the past has no bearing on what is happening at present,

But as per normal you have to get a posting of more than five years ago to discuss what at present is total BS.

But lets raise a point though - why did Le Roux fail in 2015 and was out of contention in 2017?   Fact is the non-existent game plan of Meyer and the BS of Coetzee nearly destroyed him as a player.   So a topical issue to discuss is why is Le Roux back as a top player under Erasmus?   That would bring us to 2018 not living in the past.  

    

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2018, 15:42
#39
24 Sept 2018, 15:42#39
Your suport of Willie can't be found......and the truth is in January 2013 your fullbacks were Kirchner, Taute and Ludick. And you always claim I supported Kirchner....I never did....Dave and I argued about it all the time. What a liar you are Tokkie. And you have persisted with your personal attacks...so while things are slow expect the truth to drip out....day by day. Many claim to have 'discovered' Willie. Best I can make out my posting noted above, was the first full throated endorsement of Willie for Bok fullback: mozart Status: Rugby Legend Posts: 3558 Willie le Roux an overlooked weapon? April 01, 2013
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2018, 18:33
#40
24 Sept 2018, 18:33#40

This has bugger all to do with the present scenario - zip as a matter of fact.   So get to the issue I raised = why did Le Roux had a dip in form in the period 2015 to 2017?

THAT TYPE OF THING IS TOPICAL - going back to 2013 and arguing  about discovery of Du Toit is baloney.    Matter of fact the Cheetahs players did very well in the 2013 Super Rugby season and Meyer ignored them totally - same as he did with the Lions players i n 2015.   You would never have punted any of the Cheetahs  players if your normal approach was applicable.  



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