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Willie le Roux is red hot playing for Wasps

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jan 2018, 15:26
#1
22 Jan 2018, 15:26#1

He had a massive game when Wasps played Ulster on Saturday in the Europeean Champions Cup series.


Le Roux was playing skills were near to eliminated by Meyer and Coetzee - has fo und his mojo again,  


For the record his stats ae as follows:-


Tries               =     1

Try Assist        =     1

Pass                =    24

Carries            =    13

Meters             =    58

Line breaks      =      3

Defenders beat =     3


The other SA players I saw in matches this weekend was either poor or very poor and that includes Steyn and De Jongh.    In the case of De Jongh the commentator said he is not a Springbok class player - he was so bad.  

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
22 Jan 2018, 16:53
#2
22 Jan 2018, 16:53#2

Willie should never have been dropped. Th ese duds like Coetzee don't like creative players.

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kingcornPro3,695 posts
22 Jan 2018, 17:44
#3
22 Jan 2018, 17:44#3
Let hope Rassie brings him back. The guy has been on Fire. The guy was pulling the strings in atrocious conditions. Wet, snowing conditions and he was still Able to break the line and link up with his outside backs. Not to mention the insane grubber he put through for a try. He is only 28 and our best fullback. Bring him back
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XaviPro1,924 posts
22 Jan 2018, 18:40
#4
22 Jan 2018, 18:40#4

Which commentator said that Mike. I call Bullshit!!

Le Roux has found his form at Wasps now and is great to watch on the attack. Defensively he can be frail though.


His ability to appear from nowhere as a first reciever is what allows Wasps to play so expansively. Not just him though. Eastmond also does it. Makes it so hard to defend against potentially 3 or 4 "flyhalves".

Nizaam Carr has won over the crowd here as well. Hopefully He will have a future here. 

 I played on the Saturday afternoon and let me tell you, I think it was the coldest I've ever been playing rugby. Snow,sleet and freezing mud. Pitch looking like the battle of the Somme.


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
22 Jan 2018, 19:18
#5
22 Jan 2018, 19:18#5

On TV it was clear that it was bloody cold.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jan 2018, 03:02
#6
23 Jan 2018, 03:02#6
Complete nonsense once again.....Willie played 34 tests for HM. And he was never constrained....on the contrary many South African fans were saying Willie was too flaky to be a Bok fullback. They hated his chip kicks, deplored his defence.....said his bag of tricks were old news. HM never lost confidence in Willie......dumb fans did.
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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
23 Jan 2018, 05:34
#7
23 Jan 2018, 05:34#7

Willie went through a bad patch. He made a lot of very poor on-field decisions and caused a lot of trouble because of it. Of course he was going to be dropped. Anyone with a brain would have sidelined him.

It amazes me how quickly you lot forget.

We all lose form at one stage or another. Perhaps he's finding his way back.

We should also bare in mind that he's been up north for a few years now. To-date I'm yet to see ANYONE return to the fold from there and impress. If he is to be brought back then put him to work in Super Rugby and see how he copes with the pace and intensity. I'm betting he'll be gasping within 20 minutes.

He's not the messiah you think he is.

Personally ... I prefer Gelant.



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generaltitPro3,164 posts
23 Jan 2018, 05:47
#8
23 Jan 2018, 05:47#8

Willie Le Roux is an exceptional rugby player of skills that stand out and make the game exciting.He can be a game breaker and match winner. This is a talent that can be nutured and used correctly with a correct game plan and by coaching that knows how to use him and give him full initiative and reigns to play his best. He obviously has found his mojo under the Wasps coaches.

It is also a fact that HM used him and believed in him too but although HM was not a bad coach and is streaks ahead of that clueless and directionless clown AC, it is probable and likely that you must look to the coaching, game plans at Wasps to find the real answer to Willie's rebirth.

Wasps to expand coaching team for 2018/19 season

Wasps are pleased to announce they will expand their coaching team next season, with current Cardiff Blues head coach Danny Wilson and Nottingham Rugby head coach Ian Costello set to arrive in Coventry during pre-season to complement the coaching talent already in place.

Wilson’s main role will concentrate on the forwards and Costello’s primary focus will be on skills development and exits, whilst also supporting the wider team to help achieve the rugby department’s goals.

The pair will bring additional expertise and depth to Dai Young’s coaching group, which for the last two seasons has been one of the smallest in the Aviva Premiership, comprising Young, Lee Blackett, Phil Blake and Andy Titterrell.

Wilson will arrive with plenty of experience having also impressed in coaching roles at Bristol, Scarlets, the Dragons and Wales under 20’s, before going on to take charge of Cardiff Blues in 2015.

Costello is currently in his second season as head coach of Nottingham Rugby. During his tenure, Nottingham’s young side have climbed from a ninth-place finish last season to the top four in the current Championship standings.

Prior to taking that role, the former centre worked with Munster Academy & 20s until 2011, and then spent the next five years coaching Munster’s senior team, initially as skills coach and then as assistant coach for the final two years.

Wasps’ director of rugby Dai Young is pleased with these additional backroom appointments, which he believes will help to keep the club moving forward.

“We have operated with a smaller coaching team than most clubs for a while now,” Young says.

“The plan was always to bolster it, as we already have our S&C team, but I have taken my time to make sure I bring in the right people who really add to what we’re doing and complement the quality we already have within our coaching department.  

“I couldn’t find the right fit last season, but I’m pleased to have found people that I believe can really benefit the whole team next season.

“While it’s important not to be overloaded with coaches because too many voices can cause confusion for players, I recognise if we continue trying to compete at the top with only three coaches on board, we will come unstuck. I have a clear vision of how I want us to play the game, and the current coaching group and the two new coaches will continue to support and help me deliver that.

“While I have only worked with Danny for a limited time when he was part of the Academy set-up at Cardiff Blues, I know he has gone on to forge a very strong reputation as a quality coach who is highly regarded within the game, having made a big impact with the teams he’s worked with.

“Equally with Ian, everyone I know who worked with him at Munster, and also as part of our loan arrangement with Nottingham Rugby, can’t speak highly enough of his rugby knowledge and attention to detail.

“Our existing coaches have done an excellent job and I’m really pleased with how quickly our young coaches, Lee [Blackett] and Andy [Titterrell] are developing in their first Premiership coaching roles. They are already very talented coaches who have achieved a significant amount with us, and I have no doubt they will only get better and better with each passing season as they build experience.

“Lee, Andy and Phil all played a big role in helping the squad top the league last season and reach the Premiership Final for first time in nine years.

“With the professional game as it is now with previews, post-match reviews, player development and performance to consider, we are too thinly spread and there’s simply too much for three coaches to continue doing on a long-term basis.

“Games are won by very small margins and I need to make sure our attention to detail is second to none. I feel these appointments will really help us, and will put the players in the best possible position to move their games onto the next level. We look forward to welcoming Danny and Ian to the club next season.”

Speaking about his appointment as forwards coach at Wasps’ next season, Danny Wilson said: 

“The opportunity to work with Dai [Young] was one of the big attractions of moving to Wasps. He is a very experienced director of rugby and I could see the quality of his coaching during his time at Cardiff Blues. His record with Wasps goes before him, having taken the squad from 11th place to the Premiership Final during his time at the club. 

“They only just lost out on the title last season and you can see what a fantastic squad Dai is building through excellent recruitment and retention of quality players. I’m looking forward to learning from him as a coach next season and to being part of the infrastructure Wasps are creating.

“The ambition of the club is clear to see. They have a talented group of players who play a really exciting style of rugby that attracts big crowds. It will be exciting to be part of. Until then, I will be doing everything I can to help Cardiff Blues achieve our goals for the remainder of this season.”

Speaking about his time with Nottingham and his decision to move to Wasps, Ian Costello said:

“The last eighteen months at Nottingham Rugby have been an incredible experience and right up there as the most enjoyable period of my career to date.  Nottingham is a special club made up of exceptional people and I couldn’t speak highly enough of the support my family and I have received on and off the pitch. 

“I am extremely excited about moving to Wasps next season and the new set of challenges it will bring. Having worked for Munster for five years and looked at certain English clubs in the European Champions Cup, Wasps was a club with such a rich history and tradition and I always had a huge amount of respect for them growing up. Munster and Wasps enjoyed some highly competitive, historic encounters over the years and it will be exciting for me to join such a progressive and ambitious Premiership club. 

“I’ve had some really enjoyable chats with Dai [Young], and his clear vision for how he wants to play and what he thinks this squad can achieve excites me. I’m looking forward to working with an excellent group of coaches and an exciting group of players. 

“It’s a fantastic opportunity to learn and progress as a coach and I will look to add as much value as I can to the coaching team and squad next season. Until then, my focus remains firmly on Nottingham and the second half of what has been a very positive season to date.” 

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
23 Jan 2018, 05:56
#9
23 Jan 2018, 05:56#9

Willie Le Roux is an exceptional rugby player of skills that stand out and make the game exciting.He can be a game breaker and match winner. This is a talent that can be nutured and used correctly with a correct game plan and by coaching that knows how to use him and give him full initiative and reigns to play his best. He obviously has found his mojo under the Wasps coaches.

It is also a fact that HM used him and believed in him too but although HM was not a bad coach and is streaks ahead of that clueless and directionless clown AC, it is probable and likely that you must look to the coaching, game plans at Wasps to find the real answer to Willie's rebirth.

Wasps to expand coaching team for 2018/19 season

Wasps are pleased to announce they will expand their coaching team next season, with current Cardiff Blues head coach Danny Wilson and Nottingham Rugby head coach Ian Costello set to arrive in Coventry during pre-season to complement the coaching talent already in place.

Wilson’s main role will concentrate on the forwards and Costello’s primary focus will be on skills development and exits, whilst also supporting the wider team to help achieve the rugby department’s goals.

The pair will bring additional expertise and depth to Dai Young’s coaching group, which for the last two seasons has been one of the smallest in the Aviva Premiership, comprising Young, Lee Blackett, Phil Blake and Andy Titterrell.

Wilson will arrive with plenty of experience having also impressed in coaching roles at Bristol, Scarlets, the Dragons and Wales under 20’s, before going on to take charge of Cardiff Blues in 2015.

Costello is currently in his second season as head coach of Nottingham Rugby. During his tenure, Nottingham’s young side have climbed from a ninth-place finish last season to the top four in the current Championship standings.

Prior to taking that role, the former centre worked with Munster Academy & 20s until 2011, and then spent the next five years coaching Munster’s senior team, initially as skills coach and then as assistant coach for the final two years.

Wasps’ director of rugby Dai Young is pleased with these additional backroom appointments, which he believes will help to keep the club moving forward.

“We have operated with a smaller coaching team than most clubs for a while now,” Young says.

“The plan was always to bolster it, as we already have our S&C team, but I have taken my time to make sure I bring in the right people who really add to what we’re doing and complement the quality we already have within our coaching department.  

“I couldn’t find the right fit last season, but I’m pleased to have found people that I believe can really benefit the whole team next season.

“While it’s important not to be overloaded with coaches because too many voices can cause confusion for players, I recognise if we continue trying to compete at the top with only three coaches on board, we will come unstuck. I have a clear vision of how I want us to play the game, and the current coaching group and the two new coaches will continue to support and help me deliver that.

“While I have only worked with Danny for a limited time when he was part of the Academy set-up at Cardiff Blues, I know he has gone on to forge a very strong reputation as a quality coach who is highly regarded within the game, having made a big impact with the teams he’s worked with.

“Equally with Ian, everyone I know who worked with him at Munster, and also as part of our loan arrangement with Nottingham Rugby, can’t speak highly enough of his rugby knowledge and attention to detail.

“Our existing coaches have done an excellent job and I’m really pleased with how quickly our young coaches, Lee [Blackett] and Andy [Titterrell] are developing in their first Premiership coaching roles. They are already very talented coaches who have achieved a significant amount with us, and I have no doubt they will only get better and better with each passing season as they build experience.

“Lee, Andy and Phil all played a big role in helping the squad top the league last season and reach the Premiership Final for first time in nine years.

“With the professional game as it is now with previews, post-match reviews, player development and performance to consider, we are too thinly spread and there’s simply too much for three coaches to continue doing on a long-term basis.

“Games are won by very small margins and I need to make sure our attention to detail is second to none. I feel these appointments will really help us, and will put the players in the best possible position to move their games onto the next level. We look forward to welcoming Danny and Ian to the club next season.”

Speaking about his appointment as forwards coach at Wasps’ next season, Danny Wilson said: 

“The opportunity to work with Dai [Young] was one of the big attractions of moving to Wasps. He is a very experienced director of rugby and I could see the quality of his coaching during his time at Cardiff Blues. His record with Wasps goes before him, having taken the squad from 11th place to the Premiership Final during his time at the club. 

“They only just lost out on the title last season and you can see what a fantastic squad Dai is building through excellent recruitment and retention of quality players. I’m looking forward to learning from him as a coach next season and to being part of the infrastructure Wasps are creating.

“The ambition of the club is clear to see. They have a talented group of players who play a really exciting style of rugby that attracts big crowds. It will be exciting to be part of. Until then, I will be doing everything I can to help Cardiff Blues achieve our goals for the remainder of this season.”

Speaking about his time with Nottingham and his decision to move to Wasps, Ian Costello said:

“The last eighteen months at Nottingham Rugby have been an incredible experience and right up there as the most enjoyable period of my career to date.  Nottingham is a special club made up of exceptional people and I couldn’t speak highly enough of the support my family and I have received on and off the pitch. 

“I am extremely excited about moving to Wasps next season and the new set of challenges it will bring. Having worked for Munster for five years and looked at certain English clubs in the European Champions Cup, Wasps was a club with such a rich history and tradition and I always had a huge amount of respect for them growing up. Munster and Wasps enjoyed some highly competitive, historic encounters over the years and it will be exciting for me to join such a progressive and ambitious Premiership club. 

“I’ve had some really enjoyable chats with Dai [Young], and his clear vision for how he wants to play and what he thinks this squad can achieve excites me. I’m looking forward to working with an excellent group of coaches and an exciting group of players. 

“It’s a fantastic opportunity to learn and progress as a coach and I will look to add as much value as I can to the coaching team and squad next season. Until then, my focus remains firmly on Nottingham and the second half of what has been a very positive season to date.” 

CL
CleanCutPro9,905 posts
23 Jan 2018, 06:04
#10
23 Jan 2018, 06:04#10

He was dropped for a reason. Poor play. Please don't blame the fans for his lack of form and poor decision making. We all saw it.

We have heard the same old stories about several of our boys currently up north. Alberts, Louw, Vermeulen, HouGat, Bismarck, Jannie, Habana, JP Pietersen, Frans Steyn, Morne Steyn and now it's Willie Le Roux's turn.

He's the next saviour of Bok rugby.

Haaaaaaaaaahahahahahaaa!!!

Sorry ... I don't buy it



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generaltitPro3,164 posts
23 Jan 2018, 06:47
#11
23 Jan 2018, 06:47#11

No individual can be a saviour of Bok rugby nor of any rugby team for that matter ...that's obvious but individuals add up to make a team...but we often put this silly argument up....the bottom line is coaching and how we make a winning side...and sustain it with correct coaching and depth....nevertheless Willie was a loss and a severe loss but also this can be said of many we have lost over the years.

One tries to remain optimistic with a change of coach/s and hopefully Rassie could make a difference but I believe the problem is more deeper and subtle than this...sadly I believe there is a long painful road ahead and SA rugby has to be revolutionised...it seems we are our own worst enemies and the fly in the ointment and cross we have to bear is our political structures that handicap and bedevil us.

Sports imho should never bow and be manipulated to political agendas...it does not happen in other countries...or at least not in extremes...will we free of it...I doubt it and it is for this reason we must expect to remain where we are. Maybe being idealistic is not realistic and as Churchill said that you cannot please all people all of the time, only some of the people some of the time


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CleanCutPro9,905 posts
23 Jan 2018, 07:31
#12
23 Jan 2018, 07:31#12

Absolutely ... I agree that a good coach can and does bring the best out of a player. Look at Eddie Jones and Mitchell.

England were brought back from the brink by Eddie and I believe that Mitch will do the same for the Bulls.

Sometimes though a player loses his way. His confidence takes a dive and nothing he tries works out. The harder he tries the worse it gets. The coach can only do so much to help him regain his mojo. Until he does he needs to be sidelined for the good of the team. In the end it's left to the player ... and time. It doesn't help though if you surround yourself with a lesser standard of play ... there where the pace and intensity is below that which you're used to.

You end up adjusting to that slower pace and standard of play. Making the step up to what once was isn't that easy. I'm yet to see anyone just walk in and start where they left off. He needs to be exposed to it again. There is no way that I'll bring him back into the national side just like that. He needs to prove himself first ... but ... it's not only that ... other potential stars who have started making a name for themselves have risen to stake their claim ... and so they too have to be considered.

The best man for the job. Young or old ... experienced or inexperienced ... the one with a reputation or the one without ... it doesn't matter ... in the end ... the best man for the job ... always.

Right now my pick is Gelant ... till Willie proves he deserves the jersey on merit and merit alone.

GE
generaltitPro3,164 posts
26 Jan 2018, 14:43
#14
26 Jan 2018, 14:43#14

Good and informative article Xavi...just goes to show...both Willie and Danny (both creative players that need full reign and initiative) blossom and shine under this kind of coaching, guiding and used correctly with the other players in their side running rings around opposing defenders...lol...great stuff...I love it!

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jan 2018, 14:52
#15
26 Jan 2018, 14:52#15

CC

Le Roux indeed went through a bad patch - because of the BS game plans of Meyer an Coetzee.   He was forced by Meyer and Coetzee to play a style of rugby he was not accustomed to and where he4 is a dead loss,

He went to Wasps where he is allowed to play the normal Le Roux style and he flourished - end of story,  

XA
XaviPro1,924 posts
26 Jan 2018, 22:57
#16
26 Jan 2018, 22:57#16

The trouble with Willy ( I believe anyway) is how he can be so hot or cold. When He's hot, He sizzles buuut when He's not or when trying too hard to make something happen it all falls apart. 


That's when the team is left with a 15 that isn't great defensively and not a siege gun boot either.

He is incredibly brave and sound under the high ball though, no doubt.

sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,256 posts
26 Jan 2018, 23:17
#17
26 Jan 2018, 23:17#17
Leroux would be better on the wing where he cut the backline from the blind side. A solid boot and stronger defender is required at fullback, in addition to attack.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
27 Jan 2018, 03:51
#18
27 Jan 2018, 03:51#18
Well who is Willie’s competition? The earnest but totally ineffective Coetzee. Or the annointed Gelant who lost the CC semi, also can’t tackle and doesn’t have a siege gun boot. I’d take Willie, but he can’t do it by himself. Our wings have to run effective supporting lines, and if they can’t best get a conventional fullback like Halfpenny.
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