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Willie LeRoux to be dropped for Lambie vs France?

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sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
19 Nov 2013, 16:32
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19 Nov 2013, 16:32#1
Heyneke has fullback dilemma for Parisby Gavin Rich 19 November 2013, 08:16

Willie le Roux’s man of the match award against Scotland would have pleased supporters of the mercurial Cheetahs player, but his impressive performance in the wet weather may not necessarily mean he will be at fullback for the Springboks in Saturday’s final game of the tour against France.

Bok coach Heyneke Meyer stressed after the 28-0 win over Scotland in Murrayfield on Sunday that the game was not a trial for the last game of the tour here in Paris.

He said the performances in that game would not weigh on his selections for Stade de France, and that the team to play was clear in his mind and had been all tour.

“Some people may not believe this, but I do do a bit of planning, and the players know when they are going to be used and when they are not going to be used,” s aid Meyer.

So if Meyer had decided his team for Paris before departure from South Africa, was Le Roux part of it?

That is a good question if you consider that Pat Lambie was the man who lined up in the No 15 jersey against Wales in the first match of the tour.

Lambie didn’t stay there long, and not long after his brave effort to fall on a rolling ball under advancing Welsh feet to help set up the counter-attack that led to Jean de Villiers’s try, he had to move to flyhalf after Morne Steyn was injured.

Steyn was eventually pronounced fit enough to sit on the bench in Edinburgh after being in doubt for most of the week, and he got some game time shortly before the end. So he will be available for selection for the France game, and Meyer is likely to entrust him with the No10.

That will leave the question on what to do with Lambie, and it will be interesting to see if Meyer will return to the selection that he started the tour with.

Meyer always said the middle game, the one against Scotland, would be the one where he spreads his net a bit to see if some players would “sink or swim”, which was another way of saying that the team for the Welsh test was the first choice side that would play again in Paris.

Le Roux though has done a great job in the 140 minutes he has spent on the field at fullback on this tour.

Meyer praised him for his effort at the Millennium Stadium, where the coach admitted the reserve fullback was under pressure after making defensive mistakes against the All Blacks in Johannesburg in the final Castle Lager Rugby Championship game.

He didn’t single out Le Roux at the post-match press conference at Murrayfield, instead heaping praise on Lambie for his play at flyhalf, and on Bakkies Botha for his solid comeback to international rugby.

But Le Roux was the official man of the match and it will be hard to ignore his claim to continue as the starting fullback against France.

Apart from fullback and prop, where he has to choose between Lourens Adriaanse and Coenie Oosthuizen for a starting place, the rest of the team looks clear cut, with Ruan Pienaar slated to replace Fourie du Preez at scrumhalf now that Du Preez has returned home.

Meyer has been happy with the progress made by the other members of his Japanese connection, JP Pietersen and Jaque Fourie, and both now look a lot more ready to face France than they did in the game against Wales.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Nov 2013, 16:36
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19 Nov 2013, 16:36#2
That kind of selection would sum Meyer up in a nutshell and confirm why this guy is wrong for Bok rugby. Conservatism dominates his mind  
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
19 Nov 2013, 16:39
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19 Nov 2013, 16:39#3
If he wants Lambie, it must be for his kicking at the back and winning the territory battle. 
Lambie usually players better at fullback than he does at flyhalf, but dropping Willie LeRoux would be a major blunder. 
He provides an extra dimension to the boks which is more than just a kick and chase, or crash ball. He finds space himself or creates it for those around him.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
19 Nov 2013, 16:46
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19 Nov 2013, 16:46#4

Meyer struggles with including creative players..........he prefers old donkeys.

 

 

KI
kingcornPro3,695 posts
19 Nov 2013, 17:40
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19 Nov 2013, 17:40#5
 Well summed up, like the term donkey. Kirchner the Donkey, Steyn the Donkey and Meyer the Donkey.
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Nov 2013, 17:49
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19 Nov 2013, 17:49#6

I think that Meyer is blundering along with this one again.    I would not play Morne Steyn and keep the backline that played against Scotland - even though Fourie did nothing on attack.  Without Willie that backline is devoid of any attacking options.

 

What effectively will happen is that Morne Steyn is replacing Wille le Roux in the backline - a huge blunder since Morne brings nothing to the Springbok backline and Le Roux was the source of two of the four tries scored by the Springboks on Saturday.   Playing the blundering Steyn would take -

 

*   out virtually all attack out of the backline; and

 

*   in view of the putrid defence of Steyn, would open the channel up for attacks by the French.

 

I would not c all it conservative thinking - I really would call it short sighted and weird.    

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Nov 2013, 17:50
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19 Nov 2013, 17:50#7
corn king and snapster lambasting Meyer even before the side has been announced -we are reaching new levels of insanity! Mayer has a plan. Lets see what it is.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
19 Nov 2013, 18:39
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19 Nov 2013, 18:39#8
IMO it would be crazy to bench willie, even for lambie, however i do still have reservations with willie at 15 against the stronger teams.
to date, willie has only started 15 against samoa, italy, argentina and scotland, and while all these teams can on their day be more then a handful, the reality is these teams consistently gather in the shallow end of the tier 1 pool.

willie did have a decent 60 min game but not a standout performance against the welsh when he was brought on for morne, but something tells me that england, france, and the wallys would be a different kettle of fish all together, i know for a fact hes not ready to face the All blacks as the starting fullback.

but all in all, with the options currently there, and willies form as it is at the moment (despite the quality of opposition), he needs to start.

no need to change the outside back trio IMO, i would keep it as it ended against the scots,
uchiha clan -11 habana, 14 jp pieterson, 15 w le roux
meyer - 11 habana, 14 jp pieterson, 15 p lambie

i would also keep lambie at 10 and with du preez gone, the real question IMO is who should be playing at 9???
meyer will go into default mode and pick pienaar which is nromally just a waste of everyones time bar pienaar, but with veermark getting called in, and that stormers fellabeing greener then the Boks jersey, meyer kind of made sure there was no room to grow the No9 on tour.
so its not even worth the effort trying to come up with a who, how and why, better to make like a tampax and accept its pienaar period.
uchiha clan - 9 pienaar, 10 lambie
meyer - 9 pienaar, 10 m steyn

cant really see mcuh prgoress being made in the centers either which is bad news for the Bok fans, but good news for the All blacks, cos the current development means the All Blacks are going to extend their current 4 year consecutive streak as the IRB No1 ranked team for another 2 years easy.
hers a prediction thats not bold in the slightest, meyers vs All Blacks winning percentage is going to be what it is before hes fired for not wining the RWC, 0%.

ive read enough on meyers views regarding the centers to know theres nothing worth getting excited about, the former WP combo of fourie and JDV will prob be the combo in preparation for the RWC that the All Blacks are gonna win.
uchiha clan - 12 j serfontein, 13 jj englebrechett
meyer - 12 JDV, 13 j fourie

does anyone else think that fourie looked a bit over weight since his stint in japan??? not as bad a when f steyn returned, but still pretty noticeable,
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Nov 2013, 19:34
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19 Nov 2013, 19:34#9

 Sasue

 

Very good comments - but a bit lopsided as per normal.   We have other center options - with De Villiers better than anything the AB's have and also back-ups.  I am not sure about the 13 position - but I hope that would become clearer during Super 15 next year.   Not convince yet by Ben Smith at 13 - he was up against a poor center this past weekend and looked better than in previous matches.   Matter of fact I think that the years of dominant AB backline play is going to fade without Carter and the present unstable center situation.  Carter is at best brittle and I think he is on the way out of test rugby.   Cruden and Barrett are good flyhalfs - but definitely not on par with Carter.  

MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
19 Nov 2013, 19:57
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19 Nov 2013, 19:57#10
@mikey,

Bok tinted glasses is not part of my uniform, so i can only laugh at ur comments regarding JDV, but each to their own.
BTW thank JDV for the 2013 RC/4nats and the current 100% season were having, we didnt need his help in the first place, but to each their own applies to JDV too, :oP

i would have nonu and all his liabilities any day over rush out of the line and zero and clue on attack JDV, at least nonu hasnt cost us any matches, :o)

agree regarding our 13 depth, snake is more then adequate for now til the RWC, but what about afterwards???
we have invested the EOYT wisely by letting ben smith try and fins some mojo, but his lack of penetration on attack and ability to distribute has been well below par.
im hoping that now fruean has got some decent coaches helping his game in spXV greatest coach dave rennie and wayne smith, he could be the answer.
fruean is who i will be looking out for the most in the 2014 spXV.

as for carter, he played one test in the june series, two tests in the RC/4nats, zero tests against the wallys, and a quater of a test each against the Boks and england.
its fair to say that NZ has zero flyhalf worries.
true that cruden and barret arent better then carter, but thats an unfair comparison, cos theres no one ever who has ever played who is better then carter IMO.
but thats why its all good in the All Blacks flyhalf hood, cos we dont need crudent and barret to be better the carter, we only need them to be better then every other nations flyhalf and that box was ticked halfway through the 2013 RC/4nats.
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