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World War 1 vs guerrilla tactics - what style of rugby will win in NH Tour?

Started by Just_win9 REPLIES219 VIEWS· 21 Oct 2013, 09:38
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JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Oct 2013, 09:38
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21 Oct 2013, 09:38#1

The All Black tour of Europe will be new world meeting old in every sense. The French, English and Irish will not only worry whether the lemons were cut just right for the committee men's gin and tonics, they will endlessly fret and obsess about set-piece, territory and possession.

Rugby Northern Hemisphere-style is still very much a small-scale re-enactment of World War I: full-scale carnage on the front lines with everyone happy to advance inch by painful inch.

But this is not the rugby of the All Blacks. They have vastly different ideas about what really matters these days.

Their rugby is more - to stick with the military analogies - guerrilla warfare. It's not about attrition, digging in for the long haul and hoping to survive for longer.

It is about ruthless smash-and-grab raids. It is about applying pressure across the field with and without the ball. It is about posing a triple threat - passing, running and kicking.

No question the French and English in particular are masters of the old world style. Their scrums are powerful. Their lineouts slick. They build their game around their big men and squeeze the life out of teams.

It works. It gets results and not for one second will the All Blacks be taking the challenge anything other than deadly seriously. England remain the only side to have beaten the All Blacks in the past two years.

"They will test our structures," said All Black coach Steve Hansen of the awaiting Northern Hemisphere opponents.

"England were able to test us last year and we discovered that our structures were a bit limited.

"We have got more options across the park now but all of the teams we play will have done their homework on us. They will look to slow the game down.

"We realise if we don't keep working hard others will come past us."

Hogging the ball might be a valid route to victory in the Six Nations but its value is rendered almost worthless against the All Blacks, who only need the ball for about 20 seconds to make it count.

France, England and Ireland might all fancy that the adages about possession and territory have stood the test of time. Maybe they will be proven right but the 28 tries and 243 points the All Blacks have scored since August, say, emphatically, that they are on to something.

 

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
21 Oct 2013, 09:48
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21 Oct 2013, 09:48#2
 It's not a matter if either or IMO. You have to have a decent set piece, especially of the weather conditions are bad.
BR
BrycyPro4,671 posts
21 Oct 2013, 10:13
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21 Oct 2013, 10:13#3

 JW although this is a completely different Spring Offensive to the one of 1918...the NZ Division were recognised as an elite fighting division, supreme warriors much like the All Blacks...

 

So when the Germans broke through heading for Paris in the Spring Offensive and many a little pommie was running for his life, the ANZAC boys stepped up and were rushed in to plug the gaps in the line. It was the ANZACS finest hour and they played a decisive role.

 

Along with the four Australian divisions rushed in to plug the gaps in the line was the New Zealand Division. It was amost vital contribution and decicisve role in arguably the most crucial and pivotal battle facing Germany's greatest offensive of the war.

 

At a time when well trained, high quality soldiers were desperately needed, the New Zealand Division, widely acclaimed as one of the best Allied divisions in France, was thrown into the thick of the action in the most dangerous sector of the line.

 

There between Hebuterne and Beaumont-Hamel, they brought the German advance to a standstill. It was one of the turning points in the battle and a feat of arms that could have been achieved only by the finest troops....

HA
hakwaPro4,146 posts
21 Oct 2013, 15:30
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21 Oct 2013, 15:30#4
 Thank you Brycy. I salute every single one of them.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
21 Oct 2013, 16:43
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21 Oct 2013, 16:43#5
 That was "Kaiserschlacht " and the Frogs had not long before in rebelled and refused combat so in go the depleted ANZAC and Johnny come lately yanks with the Canucks .And the ABS are more like the Germans looking for the "Schwerpunkt " or weak point and widening the gap and pouring men through in support ! As Confederate General "Stonewall Jackson " succinctly put it ,you just have to " Get there firstest with the mostest !" thats how any battle is won .And more power to the ANZACS still the worlds finest light Infantry .
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Oct 2013, 01:40
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22 Oct 2013, 01:40#6
 Wardad: I knew you would like the analogy in this article. Talk of history , and particularly war history is your thing.
On the rugby side we have the ability to play WWW1 style or guerrilla warfare. You need both these days and that is hard to achieve against one dimensional teams because they re good at it.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Oct 2013, 01:40
#7
22 Oct 2013, 01:40#7
 Wardad: I knew you would like the analogy in this article. Talk of history , and particularly war history is your thing.
On the rugby side we have the ability to play WWW1 style or guerrilla warfare. You need both these days and that is hard to achieve against one dimensional teams because they re good at it.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Oct 2013, 01:40
#8
22 Oct 2013, 01:40#8
 Wardad: I knew you would like the analogy in this article. Talk of history , and particularly war history is your thing.
On the rugby side we have the ability to play WWW1 style or guerrilla warfare. You need both these days and that is hard to achieve against one dimensional teams because they re good at it.
JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
22 Oct 2013, 01:40
#9
22 Oct 2013, 01:40#9
 Wardad: I knew you would like the analogy in this article. Talk of history , and particularly war history is your thing.
On the rugby side we have the ability to play WWW1 style or guerrilla warfare. You need both these days and that is hard to achieve against one dimensional teams because they re good at it.
WA
WardadPro6,663 posts
22 Oct 2013, 01:55
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22 Oct 2013, 01:55#10
 Too true bro ,its called an "All Arms " approach where every one contributes to winning.
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