CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Aug 2014, 20:30#2
Mozart - stop talking tripe. The worst tackle misses this year was Alberts on Treeby - followed by Steyn on Slade. There were also classics like De Jongh misses on virtually everyone else. The wort was Steyn's and De Jong's non-attempts on a list of players an armslength long.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Aug 2014, 23:53#3
Nope seeing Jordaan crawling about on the deck after being pulverized by Read was by far the most meaningful miss of the year. Not that I was surprised after copy book misses on Robbie Fruean by your pick, Jordaan.
CLclevermike
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01 Sept 2014, 00:26#4
Nope Seeing Alberts lieing flat on his backside after Treeby pushed off his tackle was the worst tackle this year. Alberts could not tackle a backline player - and after seeing his umpteen misses and the poor tackle attempt on Reid last year at Ekllis Park - which let to the Ben Smith try - I am not surprised about that miss on Treeby.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2014, 00:46#5
You keep missing context. There have been lots of bad tackles...eg Steppies attempt to tackle Henry Speight. But there is only one tackle that ended our S15, belonging to your man, Jordaan.
CLclevermike
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01 Sept 2014, 01:16#6
Sure - there was only one tackle that messed up our chances at Ellis Park and that was by Alberts. For the rest he counted heavily on Morne Steyn to bugger up the game completely - but that was the start.
Out of context again - the Sharks could have had a home semi if it was not for Alberts bugger-ups and that of Francois Steyn in the round roibin game against the Highlanders. Shall I post the stats on that game?
Your simplistic assessments of performances are that of a six-year old. That try of Reid was not the match-decider - you old fool.
MOMozart
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01 Sept 2014, 01:39#7
On the contrary the Boks were leading 27 to 24 ....60 minutes into the game at Ellis Park. And then the missed tackle by JJ on Barrett literally ended our RC.
So there you have it....2013 the worst tackle miss by Sapps man JJ......2014 worst miss by OOms man Jordaan.
You guys really don't get test centre play....look for de Allende to get in on the act.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2014, 02:06#9
Well Bro, I'm clearly only attending to our own screw ups. But it's nice to see you chaps can appreciate a quality screw up like Jordaans. That kind of incompetence speaks a global language.
CLclevermike
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01 Sept 2014, 02:14#10
Mo\zart
They should have been leading 27 - 0 - if it was mnot for the bugger--ups by Alberts amd Morne - the Alberts muiss tackle 7 points amd the Morne Steyn delirium 7 points. Could even have been 27-0 but for Alberts falling over his own two feet instaed of recoveriung the tackle ball from Aaron Smith. The bugger - ups were all upto that stage attributble to Alberts and Morne Steyn
CLclevermike
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01 Sept 2014, 02:14#11
Mo\zart
They should have been leading 27 - 0 - if it was mnot for the bugger--ups by Alberts amd Morne - tehe Alberts muiss tackle 7 points amd the Morne Steyn delirium 7 points. Could even have been 27-0 but for Alberts falling over his own two feet instaed of recoveriung the tackle ball from Aaron Smith. The bugger - ups werE all up to that stage attributable to -
WILLEM ALBERTS AND MORNE STEYN
MOMozart
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01 Sept 2014, 02:39#12
Maybe they should have...but it turns out we were ahead untill Worst tackle of 2013 by JJ. Please follow the bouncing ball.
CLclevermike
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01 Sept 2014, 08:04#13
Mozart
I am not a JJ defender - he missed that tackle on Barrett - but De Villiers went out of line - Steyn made an awkward mess of the tackle he tried on Barrett -he actually just slap him on the back and wished him well on the way to score the try -and then Engelbrecht missed the tackle. But for arguments sake - lets blame JJ for that one - on the basis that the mistakes made was De Villiers 30%, Morne 30% and JJ 40% .
Pleasae follow the bouncing ball - the rot set in much earlier in any event.
GTGonzo the Great
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01 Sept 2014, 15:13#14
You are a disgusting liar Mika! NOT ONE miss by morne was head or side on at Ellis Park. all were from behind as the 3rd defender scragging down an attacker. he made 2 try saving tackles that way though. He save the Boks after misses by jannie, duane, ebeb, habana and a few others. he made all his own tackles 100% and they were on retallick, hore and nonu. he turned nonu over in the tackle to let boks make an important turnover in our 22. all head on side on tackles he smacked them down for a gain of 0 metres though nonu got 2 feet in the turn around to expose the ball. so yeah your full if lies as always your reports are worthless lies you disgust me boet horrible anti bok nsour windbag.
CLclevermike
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01 Sept 2014, 16:06#15
Bonzo the Apemoron
Have a look at this and then tell me I was telling lies:-
Steyn0/175/32/31501007/40/000/0
You had to invent an excuse for all those missed tackles and then fabricated two try saving tackles to make the stats look better. This could have been OK - but for the fact that Morne regularly missed tackles. In 2013 in tests he missed near to 20% of all attempted tackles. A bad defender - no lies, just the plain truth.
Do you always live in cloud cuckoo land?
01 Sept 2014, 16:41#16
Reading comprehension.....................
CLclevermike
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01 Sept 2014, 22:32#18
Mozart
Why do you always have to lie? Jordaan missed one tackle on Fruan - not two. Same as your normal lies about players you do not like. You have been caught out before when lieing so it is better to stay away from that and stick to the truth.
This argument was about the sh!t poor defense of Alberts and Morne came in because he added to the poor Alberts case at Ellis Park.
So lets get back to Morne. He made most tackles (7) and missed 4 - two of which let to tries being scored. It is no good that he gets elevated because he made more tackles than the other backline players. hat a farce - the real problem is the tries being scored when players just ran at him with poor tackle attempts in evidence.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Sept 2014, 23:44#19
No, no, no Oom as usual you are the stinking liar....this from the match report
"The first who comes to mind is Paul Jordaan, if only because the initially hapless outside centre was given bouts of glaring revolving-door treatment from Robbie Fruean, the freight train in midfield for the Crusaders -- some 10cm taller and a gaping 22kg heavier at 110kg if the printed tale of the tape is to be believed.
It was hard to avoid minor flashbacks to the days of Lomu v Catt as Fruean ran straight and hard at the former Baby Bok, either knocking him to the turf with contempt or simply brushing off his passing attempt at a tackle."
How many frigging times do I have to put up with you calling me a liar....when you are that thing. Clean up your act you disgusting old fool.
CLclevermike
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02 Sept 2014, 00:15#20
Mozart
Go and consult the stats or better still try and recove the game - the above report is BS. There was ONE missed tackle - NOT TWO.
You have a habit of quoting inaccurate newspaper reports - when it suits you and the use that as a basis for simply telling LIES. Jordaan made SEVEN tackles that day and he missed ONE. That is factual. Five of those were on Fruan and in two cases f|Ruean lost ball possession in the process.
This was pointed out to you previously and you then accepted that it was correct - now the LIE$ re-appreared.
This is nothing new. You came up with the same mulitple penalties a gainst Malherbe in the Welsh test - when the fact was that his opponent Jenkins was penalized twice and Malherbe once.
It is alqways strengthening your argument if you stick to facts and not manufacture facts to suit your argument - like you do repeatedly when you try and discredit players.
GTGonzo the Great
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02 Sept 2014, 01:06#21
so he days jordaan us a great tackler who missed small backs and rival 13s but morne is kak ebem though he thumps the likes of nonu, retallick, hore, samoans heavies and roberts... man this is sick!
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2014, 04:40#22
He beat Jordaan twice. Once he left him lying in the dirt and the move was ultimately stopped. The other time he had Jordaan clinging onto a jersey and offloaded for a try a good 10 metres beyond the point of initial contact. Those are facts. The report by Bob Howing is totally accurate.
Jordaan is a guy with a tiny upper body...he wil never be reliable against the big guys at pace. Just a pity we had to lose a S15 semi to prove what was obvious when Fruean used him as a doormat.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2014, 05:13#23
24.00: Robbie Fruean has a run and bounces Paul Jordaan off him as he goes. The Crusaders lose the ball later in the move though.
The Crusaders had a scrum on their right and what followed looked so simple, innocent almost, harmless. Ellis passed to Bleyendaal who skipped Crotty with a pass to Robbie Fruean. The outside centre forced his way ahead of Paul Jordaan and gave to Tom Marshall, up from fullback and with running space. Marshall gave to Adam Whitelock who arced infield and gave to Ellis on his right and the scrumhalf scored. It was all so simple, based on straight running, sympathetic passing in front of the pass's recipient and fixing the defenders. Bleyendaal missed the conversion. 8-6 to the Crusaders after 19 minutes."
Confirmation. Apologize you stinking old liar
CLclevermike
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02 Sept 2014, 07:37#24
So now the liar terid to get more acceptabe. He did not miss two tackles as originalkly stated by Mozart . You lied about it in the first instance and now suddenly he beat him twice. He was tackled the second time and managed to off-load the ball - totally different from what you said happened. The second descriptionis is weird. The inside defence collapsed and Jordaan tackled Fruean - who off-loaded the ball and Ndugane missed the tackle on Marshalll to whom the ball was off-loaded.
Mozart as per normal give a description of the incident - which was so far removed from what actually happened - it was bordering on the worst form of misrepresentation.
Stop your lieing - let me quo te you:-
" together with the two Fruean missed tackles"
You slither like a snake to get out odf it Time for you to apologize you stinking old liar.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2014, 16:48#25
Oh I see if a player takes a tackle 5 metres in his own half and offloads 10 metres later with the tackler still an his arm like a handbag, that's not missing the tackle. What is it ....making the tackle? But let me rephrase to suit your sensibilities...."together with the two botched tackles on Fruean". Sound better?
CLclevermike
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CLclevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Sept 2014, 17:42#26
Mozart
Now you have to lie further to make a point. There was nobody who dragged anybody for 10 meters in that game and nobody "still an his arm like a handbag" - another outright lie.
The truth is Jordaan tackled Fruean and he went on his knee and off-loaded the ball to Marchsll - who beat the Ndungane tackle attempt and the try was scored by the Crusaders.
Incuidsentally Fat Fransie was the Sharks F ull Back that day - where was he in the whole scenario - nowhere.
For the record and to prove how bad your lies are I have got the Stats on that game:-
Jordaan0/000/6/93803208/10/000/0
It is always better not to turn match occurences into lies - like you normally do. If you do give an unbiased account of what happened in matches - people will believe you. However, youtr match descriptions are so flawed - nobody will ever believe a word you say about match occurences.
CLclevermike
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02 Sept 2014, 18:52#28
Mozart
You are spinning into more lies than ever before by qupouting what you did there. I suggest yuou stop trying to find an excuse for your orginal lies.
GTGonzo the Great
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02 Sept 2014, 19:50#29
hahahaha! lies lies by mika thunder thigs! oh man yiyr having a bad day here mika. go home and have a nice lue down... i meam lie as in ho to sleep not more deceitful truth twistings.
MOMozart
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MOMozartCaptain49,914 posts
02 Sept 2014, 20:13#30
I'm not spinning...I am quoting independent reports. You say " Jordan tackled Fruean and he went on his knee and off-loaded to Marchsll". Which is spinning. Jordaan grabbed Fruean by the arm, Fruean rode that for 10 metres and then offloaded for a try....after which Jordaan dragged him down as he stopped resisting.Which is the truth and totally consistent with independent reports like: "Robbie Fruean easily handed off opposite Paul Jordaan".
What a total waste of space you are OOm.
CLclevermike
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02 Sept 2014, 23:27#31
Mo(zart)ron
I criticize players based on fact - I do not criticize them based on dislike and prejudice. And I do not use the writings of a rugby correspondent - I look at things myself and use my own eyes.
Hell you are a damn fool and a liar as well. I can remember the incident clearly - you spurt out rubbish. But then you always do - and that is what is reprehansible in your conduct on this site.
MOMozart
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02 Sept 2014, 23:35#32
Lies Oom...more lies. I have what 4 independent reports agreeing with my view...you have bluster. Pack it in you old coot, after all it isn't the first time you look like a fool.
CLclevermike
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03 Sept 2014, 01:01#33
You have four reports - none of them take into account the match statistics and I dio not rely on reports written by journalists to sell papers - I rely on my own eyes. Your reliance on so-called reports are showing a dim mind without any real knowledge of the game itself.
The fool here are you - the one who quote neswspaper reports as tpo what happemns on the field of play. Reports are often totally erroneous and without regard to fact.
However, lets get back to this issue - you were caught out as a liar as was the case so often in the past. Go and hide your head in shame.
