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Worst tackling fullback in test rugby?

Started by Mozart9 REPLIES301 VIEWS· 29 Mar 2014, 05:51
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MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Mar 2014, 05:51
#1
29 Mar 2014, 05:51#1

Sushi has been having a go at Willie's defence  on a regular basis. So I thought I'd check out Israel Dagg's defence against the Boks and Oz....the real benchmark.  It turns out in 16 tests, only three of which he was a sub....Dagg has made the grand total of 17 tackles while missing 9. In his first four starts against the Boks as a fullback, he made no tackles at all!

 

All that amounts to an average of one tackle per test and a success ratio of 65 %.....abysmal for a statistically significant sample. Willie's numbers are worse on a success basis, he made only 50% of his tackles against Oz and NZ, heavily influenced by one test at Ellis Park where he missed all 5 of his attempted tackles. B efore that he was tackling at a 73% success ratio and  his tackle count is a bit higher at two tackles per test.

 

Both these guys have hardly distinguished themselves defensively. Willie's numbers will be clearer with a larger sample but they are unlikely to be good. Dagg's numbers are already from a decent sample, with no single game dominating .....and they are pretty bad. Added to which he doesn't seem to get involved very much.

 

So for the moment, Dagg gets my vote as the worst.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Mar 2014, 06:15
#2
29 Mar 2014, 06:15#2
Mozart
Dagg in 2012 was a revelation - his defence was never really exposed as he was never tested in that department of the game.  He was very involved in the All Blacks and Crusaders attacking game as well  and he built up a great support base.
In 2013 he started to show weaknesses in his defense - probably always in existence, but not previously as noticeable.  The problem with Dagg is when he missed tackles they almost invariably lead to scoring of tries.   The reason basically is that he is defenseless against strong ball carriers like Savea.
Dagg got bumped off in tackles - while Le Roux's problem is that he at times misjudged moves and consequently mistimes his tackles.   He is not so subject to be bumped off like Dagg and his missed tackles do not kead to trries being scored as is the case with Dagg.
I consequently agrees with you on that topic - I think Dagg has gone backwards over the past two years.    .  
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,295 posts
29 Mar 2014, 06:38
#3
29 Mar 2014, 06:38#3
 Fagg is inconsequential in defence,and now adays he has little to no attacking game. A current hasbeen
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BrycyPro4,671 posts
29 Mar 2014, 08:50
#4
29 Mar 2014, 08:50#4

 ...nice try at bashing Dagg but his 100% winning record made his a perfect year in test rugby at fullback...so only a slight flaw in yr argument there..

 

...his awesome attacking and kicking skills were plenty sufficient therefore his tackling stats are largely inconsequential and irrelevent as they are offset by the rest of his game...

 

...must say though Izzy's wasted sitting at the back of a very average Crusty backline and would look much better in a Chiefs jersey don't ya think???...as he'd perfectly compliment the attacking style of the Mighty Chiefs...

 

 Why is Dagg is struggling at the Crusaders then???

 

 According to Justin Marshall...

 

 

We are only a couple of weeks into the season and already one of the big talking points is the Crusaders' back attack - more particularly the lack of attack.

For the past two seasons the Crusaders have persisted with the tactic of stacking their backs in a vertical formation in good attacking positions. I've seen other teams try this in the past and ditch it pretty quickly.

 

The Crusaders seem wedded to the tactic but it has only worked a couple of times and it has serious limitations. This leads me to suspect it is coach driven - player-driven tactics tend to get ditched really quickly when they're not working.

 

I will try to talk you through it, 1. What i believes the Crusaders are trying to achieve with this formation, 2. Why it doesn't work and, 3. The knock-on effect that has for players like Israel Dagg.

 

1. Vertical stacking gives you countless 'target' options. What you are trying to do is use your short or close-in runners to punch through holes on the advantage line. This graphic demonstrates that when the first or second-five is taking it to the line, their primary option is to put the left wing or centre into gaps with short passes. This can either lead to tries direct from first phase, or at least get you behind the line so the defence is scrambling from phase play.

 

2. My major issue with this is the sheer narrowness of it. If you don't go through the target holes with the short runners, then any other option is lateral. The only way you can achieve width in this formation is for players to run across the field. That means that the defence can align themselves narrow, they can hold and, if the Crusaders go wide, drift across and push them out to the touchline. This is something defences have found all too easy to do.

 

3. Israel Dagg is one of the major reasons why this formation has more drawbacks than benefits. He is a brilliant open-field runner and has shown that numerous times for the All Blacks, but for two years now he has really struggled at the Crusaders, to the point where he has been dropped, twice. He needs to be getting the ball in wide positions AFTER other guys have been doing the straight work.

 The problem is the Crusaders don't have a tank in midfield any more. Ryan Crotty is a good player, but he will never have the physical presence of a Sonny Bill Williams or Robbie Fruean. He won't hold defences like those two, which allows the split second of space that guys like Dagg thrive in.

 

It's very early days, but the Crusaders are clearly grappling with their attack structures. For me, abandoning this formation would be a good place to start.

- NZ Herald

 

 

 

ST
Sun-TzuClub Pro713 posts
29 Mar 2014, 13:27
#5
29 Mar 2014, 13:27#5
 Dagg is very good at certain things but is most definitely not the best nor the complete fullback. He was compared to Cullen, and I think he is in that mould; a high end attacking player with very slight defensive capabilities. Dagg is used to probe our forwards and put fellow attackers in space most often. He is dangerous, but not lethal. He was best in 2010 but had a few patchy if not very poor seasons thereafter. I would place him as probably somewhere like 7th best fullback at test level, almost all the best are from the NH.
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
29 Mar 2014, 19:41
#6
29 Mar 2014, 19:41#6
@mozter,
so by ur account the defnesive success rate of dagg which is 65% vs OZ and SA, compared to willies 50% vs NZ and OZ, makes dagg the worst defender???
excuse me while i,,,
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
29 Mar 2014, 22:45
#7
29 Mar 2014, 22:45#7
 The reason Dagg's tackling is a bit suspect is that he doesn't really get enough practice at it. Difficult to improve when the ABs are always up the other end of the park scoring tries....
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2014, 00:22
#8
30 Mar 2014, 00:22#8
Sushi  it's called a statistically insignificant sample. Look it up. Data would be mortified being associated with such abysmal thinking
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
30 Mar 2014, 01:08
#9
30 Mar 2014, 01:08#9
@mozter,

"Sushi  it's called a statistically insignificant sample"
u can say that again buddy,

just like ur insignificant implication that 65% is lower then 50%, LMAO, :oD

"Data would be mortified being associated with such abysmal thinking"
really, data and 'android' would be mortified???

please mozter live long and prosper and just leave star trek out of this, ur peter griffin intelligence is no match for my vulcan like logic,
ROLMFAO,
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2014, 01:38
#10
30 Mar 2014, 01:38#10

Yes but your feeble Vulcan logic has no chance against my Borg like persistence...

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