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Would you Even Listen to SA Former Coach Saying stuff like this?

Started by ntanga12 REPLIES2,205 VIEWS· 16 Aug 2013, 11:51
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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
16 Aug 2013, 11:51
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16 Aug 2013, 11:51#1
Former South Africa head coach Peter de Villiers has criticised the SARU's introduction of a quota system into domestic rugby. The Vodacom Cup will be played under a new quota rule from next year, with teams forced to field seven players of colour in their 22-man squads, with a least five players starting. De Villiers, who coached South Africa between 2008-2011 and was the first non-white coach of the national side, believes the system is destined to fail. "It's the worst decision they could make. Everybody will believe that these players will be picked because people are looking out for them," said De Villiers to BBC Sport. "They (SARU) make people believe they care about who is coming through the system - but they only do that to tick some boxes. "They like to report these things but you don't see the difference in reality. It's not the first time they have tried to put these things in place and they have never worked. "It will only ever work if there is a transformation period in people's hearts. If there isn't I think they are wasting their time." Former South Africa head coach Peter de Villiers has criticised the SARU's introduction of a quota system into domestic rugby. The Vodacom Cup will be played under a new quota rule from next year, with teams forced to field seven players of colour in their 22-man squads, with a least five players starting. De Villiers, who coached South Africa between 2008-2011 and was the first non-white coach of the national side, believes the system is destined to fail. "It's the worst decision they could make. Everybody will believe that these players will be picked because people are looking out for them," said De Villiers to BBC Sport. "They (SARU) make people believe they care about who is coming through the system - but they only do that to tick some boxes. "They like to report these things but you don't see the difference in reality. It's not the first time they have tried to put these things in place and they have never worked. "It will only ever work if there is a transformation period in people's hearts. If there isn't I think they are wasting their time."
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2013, 12:04
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16 Aug 2013, 12:04#2
De Villiers is barking up the wrong tree. In the professional era - teams endeavour to win at all costs and race-based selection based on a quota system can weaken teams. I think that merit selection is really the norm to look out for. I have written previously about the issue of players coming through from school level and that enough is not done to support and protect players from that level that comes through. That is the level that players should get proper coaching and correct dietary treatment - and the school environment should be less dangerous and negative than it is at present. In amny schools sport activities are severely restricted - because often enough teachers are just not interested and do nothing in the relevant regard. The above does not impact on rugby only - it impacts on all codes of sport. That is why the number of schools producing most promising sportsmen are limited and most high schools in SA produces nothing of the kind. Unless the school scenario changes and brought in line with the situation in Chinese and Russian school sport system - sport ion general in SA is doomed and our performances limited to those actively supported in a limited number of schools.
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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
16 Aug 2013, 12:43
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16 Aug 2013, 12:43#3
Mike, I don't think the Government or the board that governs how schools run their sports are doing anything at all in terms SA sport in general. The money might be generated e.i. via the national lottery or something, like they do in the UK. But as you have said, there is a lack of interest in developing SA sport as a whole, and a lot of selfishness too. By selfishness I mean the government uses the little funds available to pay each other's big bonuses rather than developing the country. This becomes too evident when it comes competitions like the Olympics and stuff; we're a big country but we don't compete enough on the international stage!
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SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
16 Aug 2013, 13:39
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16 Aug 2013, 13:39#4

A mate of mine sons maths teacher (an Indian) was livid when his daughter was told that "Whites and Indians" are now being grouped together when university entrance points are calculated - to enter medicine, you need an "A" aggregate if White or Indian, but only a "C" aggregate if you're Black! They are also marked more leniently at university to pass. EEEKK! Scary when it's a doctor or engineer that designed a bridge.... 

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ntangaClub Pro336 posts
16 Aug 2013, 13:51
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16 Aug 2013, 13:51#5
Shocking Spoony, if that's true. I have always that we need a forward thinking Government, as soon as Mandela retired.
sharkbok
sharkbokCaptain23,297 posts
16 Aug 2013, 13:59
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16 Aug 2013, 13:59#6

 Devilliers is a headline grabber. If you listen to one of his quotes from the next he is a total hypocrite.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Aug 2013, 14:15
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16 Aug 2013, 14:15#7

It would pay for you guys to re-read what De Villiers is saying......I don't get that he is "barking up the wrong tree."

SP
SpooonyClub Pro718 posts
16 Aug 2013, 14:39
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16 Aug 2013, 14:39#8

Oi we cape coloreds like being on tv or somehwere where there is cameras and shit. Just watch at the back of interviews you will see  a little laaitie with no front teeth are jumping and trying to track the attention of the camera man.  

 

Ntanga

 

Finally, a word recently coined to describe South Africa’s current political situation.

Ineptocracy (in-ep-toc’-ra-cy)
- a system of government where the least capable to lead are elected by the least capable of producing, and where the members of society least likely to sustain themselves or succeed, are rewarded with goods and services paid for by the confiscated wealth of a diminishing number of producers

 

Btw Mandela thinkinng was money and power and make sure they fuck over the white people first then followed by Asain aka Cape Malay and then those colored blokes in Cape Town.

 

Actually the laws states the order of revenge. 

 

Act No. 55 of 1998 of the Parliament of the Republic of South Africa is
better known as the Employment Equity Act (EEA). Section 2 of the Act
describes its purpose as being
… to achieve equity in the workplace by –

(a) promoting equal opportunity and fair treatment in employment
through the elimination of unfair discrimination; and
(b) implementing affirmative action measures to redress the disadvantages in employment experienced by designated groups, in order to ensure their equitable representation in all occupational categories and levels in the workforce.



Section 1 explains that ‘“designated groups” means black people, women and people with disabilities. So if you read it from the ones who got fuck all chance of a futre in SA its goes 1 Whites 2 Coloreds aka Indians Cape Coloreds, illegal ZImbabweans aka North Sotho black africans
 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Aug 2013, 16:03
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16 Aug 2013, 16:03#9
Denny this is a good example of how poor comprehension can be. PdV doesn't like the quota rule because he thinks it will make selecting players of colour seem unmerited. Which is true and what many people have always said, including the players. - But because it's PdV and some on here would rather write than read, or heaven only knows, think, they assume the opposite. Embarrassing.
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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Aug 2013, 03:42
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17 Aug 2013, 03:42#10

"But because it's PdV and some on here would rather write than read, or heaven only knows, think, they assume the opposite. Embarrassing."

 

Well Moz, that's exactly the way I read it....I wonder whether Mike and others are going to apologise for their embarrassing utterances or whether they're going to do the deep dive hoping we'll all forget what utter fools they've made of themselves?

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Aug 2013, 05:46
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17 Aug 2013, 05:46#11

It's the deep dive for Cleaver Maaik....methinks

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Aug 2013, 11:46
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17 Aug 2013, 11:46#12

 "It will only ever work if there is a transformation period in people's hearts. If there isn't I think they are wasting their time."

What does ou pdv mean by that?
Its simple you have to pick on merit but work at developing decent structres to provide opporrtunity. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Aug 2013, 13:16
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17 Aug 2013, 13:16#13

 Here is the rest of the article per Sport 24

Meanwhile, SARU president Oregan Hoskins said they had no other option than to go back to the system as there are now less black players in the professional system than there were when quotas were enforced in the sport in the late 1990s.

We saw the negatives of that, but we must acknowledge the valid criticism that since the quota system has been scrapped, we have gone backwards in terms of black players in the system. We have to do something drastic to rectify this decline or we would be failing ourselves as a system.

We will be opening ourselves up to outside intervention (HERE WE HAVE THE CRUX OF THE MATTER - ANC INTERVENTION IS THE BIG STICK). Quotas were scrapped 10 years ago and there was a lot of negativity around the system then. But we have to be brutally honest with ourselves and say that since scrapping quotas, our transformation drive has declined inexplicably and we have to capture that decline. We simply cannot allow it to continue," said Hoskins. 

 

 

 
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