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WP looking stronger so beware bulle!

Started by Beeno18 REPLIES217 VIEWS· 17 Oct 2014, 10:57
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Oct 2014, 10:57
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17 Oct 2014, 10:57#1

Ex Supersport

Its interesting to take this match 22 and in the following:

Kitshoff, Liebenberg, Malherbe, Etzebeth, Ruan Botha, Kolisi, Vermuelen, Burger, Jean, Taute and Allende. Looks to be a good Super 16 squad? 

Coetzee is right to have gone for some bigger loosies. The bulle musn't think they are going to walk the WP pack. 

Go WP the currie Cup belongs to us!!!


The experienced Jaco Taute is the only missing link from an otherwise near full strength DHL Western Province team that will play Saturday’s Absa Currie Cup semifinal against the Vodacom Blue Bulls at Newlands.

According to coach Allister Coetzee, inside centre Taute is still battling with his ongoing rib injury that has sidelined him since the penultimate round robin game against the Toyota Free State Cheetahs and was not considered for the play-off game.

There is a good chance, however, that the Springbok will be ready for the final should WP get that far.

Otherwise, with the exception of lock Ruan Botha and Siya Kolisi, who have been out injured for a while, the team is what Coetzee would have regarded as his strongest when he looked ahead at the domestic season, with Seabelo Senatla returning from injury and Bok Sevens duty to claim back the No 11 jersey in which he was in such outstanding form earlier in the competition.

Cheslin Kolbe is over his injury problems and returns at fullback, as does lock Jean Kleyn. Those were the doubts after the Cheetahs game, so it is only Taute who has failed to make it back to full fitness in time for the first playoff fixture.

As anticipated, Coetzee has returned all his first choice players to the starting team after going with a second string combination against the Sharks last week.

The talking point selection, though anticipated, is the inclusion of Rynhardt Elstadt at No 6 flank ahead of Sikhumbuzo Notshe, who was excellent at No 8 last week and played openside earlier in the season.

The selection of a big back row geared towards the task of matching the Bulls’ physicality will be questioned by critics and will become a sticking point if WP lose, but Coetzee clearly recognises the importance of fronting against these particular opponents and this selection is geared towards achieving that objective.

“We’ve selected the best possible team and it is fantastic to welcome back players like Cheslin and Kleyn from injury, as well as having Seabelo back from Sevens duty,” said Coetzee.

One tough call that Coetzee had to make was on the bench, where he has opted to go for two props in Oli Kebble and Brok Harris rather than an extra lock such as Gerbrandt Grobler.

When it comes to that position, however, Coetzee reasons that with Michael Rhodes and Elstadt on the flanks, the second row is well covered as they have both played plenty of their rugby there.

"We are going to need Oli's carrying ability in the second half," said Coetzee.

The one previously untried young WP player to have played his way into the semifinal because of his performance for the second stringers last week is wing EW Viljoen, who finds a place as one of the backline reserves.

Michael van der Spuy, who plays for the injured Taute, joins Elstadt as the only representatives of last week’s starting team that will do so again on Saturday.

DHL Western Province team: 15.Cheslin Kolbe, 14.Kobus van Wyk, 13.Juan de Jongh (capt), 12.Michael van der Spuy, 11.Seabelo Senatla, 10.Demetri Catrakilis, 9.Nic Groom, 8.Nizaam Carr, 7.Michael Rhodes, 6.Rynhardt Elstadt, 5.Manuel Carizza, 4.Jean Kleyn, 3.Pat Cilliers, 2.Scarra Ntubeni, 1.Alistair Vermaak.

Replacements: 16.Neil Rautenbach, 17.Oli Kebble, 18.Brok Harris, 19.Sikhumbuzo Notshe, 20.Louis Schreuder, 21.Kurt Coleman, 22.EW Viljoen.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2014, 12:35
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17 Oct 2014, 12:35#2
 Beeno
The Bulls have an advatage - Matfield is not there to bugger up their Tight 5.     
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Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
17 Oct 2014, 15:56
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17 Oct 2014, 15:56#3
Based on form - WP would have to suffer a spectacular choke to lose to the below average Bulls at Newlands.

Of the two semi-finals, only one is vaguely in question because I think the Sharks probably have about a 30% chance of pulling an upset at Ellis Park.

The Bulls have a less than 10% chance in my opinion and the only reason I give them that much is that they could have a game where they are getting the rub of the green throughout.

By all accounts, WP should be in the final. Its the other finalist which is mainly in question but I would go with Lions. WP/Stormers have had a couple of bad chokes in playoff games at Newlands in the last couple of years though....so who knows...

WP/Lions final - WP champs.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Oct 2014, 17:40
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17 Oct 2014, 17:40#4
  Sharky  
Strange things have  happened in the CC.  Remember the 2012 final where the Sharks at Kings Park were odds-on favourits - yet they lost against WP.  I am not sure about the outcome of the games tomorrow - so at best I am trying to rile up Beeno.
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Sharky54Club Pro247 posts
17 Oct 2014, 17:50
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17 Oct 2014, 17:50#5
Mike - you are still the same oke of all those years back LOL. Sjoe....

Listen, I could make a list for you but I am sure you are aware. Of all the teams, WP/Stormers have been the most prolific chokers in the last couple of years. Losing multiple home playoffs against less fancied opponents.

Stormers lost two consecutive HOME semi-finals in a Super rugby in 2011 (in 2011 against a Sharks team that had just come back from a bruising Brisbane encounter in Australia) and 2012 and then the final of the Currie Cup in 2013 at Newlands against the underdog, under performing Sharks.....its a choke a year at Newlands and so far there have been none so one is due.

Granted, 2012 was a slip up by the Sharks. Also on their home ground.

Based on this recent predisposition of the Stormers/WP to chokilitis, it is by far not impossible the Bulls could win however the two teams were so far apart on form this season I honestly cant see the Bulls winning. But - as you say - who knows ?




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Oct 2014, 10:09
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18 Oct 2014, 10:09#6
 Sharkie allow me to point you in the right direction.
The Mighty Stormers/WP don't choke. The Stormers/WP made a wrong turn under Coetzee. The played a totally defencive game and forgot to attack. Kicking the ball away and spending the match making hundreds of tackles also leads to injuries and physical weariness as the season goes on. You have to identify the actual causes Sharkie rather than bleating out unthinkingly the very inappropriate word choke.
No WP have won more Currie Cups than any other Province so its not on to say they are chokers. Lets leave such absurdities to ou rooitwit!
The big choke was the wee sharks loosing to WP in the Currie Cup final in durbs. That was a second string WP that won. .
Also Mike is an oak not an oke!


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Oct 2014, 10:43
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18 Oct 2014, 10:43#7
 Beeno
We will see today.   Let me be frank - I would love to see  Bulls and Sharks wins today - that wiill hush upthe big mouth WP annd Lions supporters.   Please note I am not predicting wins for the Bulls and Sharks - but I will love to see it happens.   

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Oct 2014, 10:59
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18 Oct 2014, 10:59#8
 
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Oct 2014, 11:03
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18 Oct 2014, 11:03#9
 Ou maaaikie it's a lot closer than some think.  Bulle have improved and Lions are hard to beat at home.
The battle of the two packs in the WP v Bulle game will be interesting.
 
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