WP Nel sure diffused the Greyling threat....

Fattie Greyling sure was having a field day beating up on an inadequate Cheetah's tighthead.  This is what his proponents see in this penalty machine....krag, krag and more krag.

On comes rolly polly WP Nel and in the very first scrum he shunts Greyling sideways and pops him.  What WP can do, Franks can do ....but with the whole AB pack behind him. Greyling would be a disaster in the TN.

Speaking of WP though, one has to love the way he and Oosthuizen play prop. Aggressive at scrum time....and aggressive with ball in hand. WP's runs against the Bools were classics out of the Richard Band's text book.

Mozart

Greyling was scrummed into the ground by Malherbe - who should never have been played on Saturday as he had flue.   I do not rate Greyling and Werner Kruger as props - the Pink Bulls can have them both - a real prop will play games with them like the Poms did with Kruger in the tests,  In any event the proof is in the pudding - Greyling's deficiencies as a prop was proven again when Nel came on from the bench on Saturday

Man Moz you do make it up......first of all there was nothing in it in the first half when it came to the scrums and nothing changed in the second half - parity all round. Greyling remains a great prop. WP Nel has always been solid

Balls

Well I certainly never saw one pack getting the better of the other

Both Coenie and WP are very industrious outside the scrum and drive the ball up particualry well.

Now ask yourself how good are Beast and Jannie outside the scrum. Also are they any better as scrummagers than the Cheetahs duo.

Beast is NOT the force that the was a few years back.for some reason. Jannie is no more than adequate.

Unfortunately WP is off overseas now as  well. Campese, when discussing super 15 resources, questioned whether SA could sustain 5 teams. He did say that we had some 350 players overseas. Can anyone throw light on this - its  massive number.

 Why worry about the SA players who are playing overseas/ According to some, they are not good enough to play at the top in SA, in any case. In addition, they claim that the NH campetitions are crap as well.

We have not lost top tier talent (except for some of the old blokes) permanently to overseas yet - in fact I think it healthy in that it allows the young talent to come through which is ultimately beneficial. The short stints some of our other players have taken has also proven beneficial as they seem to come back with some maturity and a different take on the game,

To play for the Springboks is still the ultimate goal of every SA youngster and as long as that national prife remains, the best talent will remain.

Nine tests played against TN opponents by NH pretenders.......eight losses and one draw (shame on us). Your best argument Vlag is the English soccer analogy, where foreigners offset the abysmal state of English soccer. It goes thus.....the competitions would be damn hopeless, but with all those SH retirees it's lifted to a respectable level.

I was not  actually talking about the Boks here - my comment related to the super 15.

I trust you realise that the Lions for one could hav e done with some of those overseas players. Campese was suggesting that if those players were here we could easily have 5 teams but their going has cost us depth - a very vaild point.

 Keep fooling yourself Moz. Judging by the win/loose ratio only, without taking into account the margins. The All Blacks came pretty damn close to loosing to Ireland, and the Woblies just as close to loosing to Wales, and we drew one, all of those on home soil. There were only two run-away wins. The win by Scotland was laughed off as a luck and then they went on to beat Samoa on home soil. Not too long ago France gave the All Blacks one hell of a fright in the RWC final. I would think that all the SH teams will take their 2012 EOYT a bit more serious, than usual.

Vlag I can appreciate living in Pomerania you get all this Pom propaganda.....you hear their commentators, you read the drivvel they write in the Times. You feel the need to conform. But it's pure Stockholm Syndrome stuff....you are identifying with your jailers. These NH chappies live off the boredom of SH teams.....and sometimes they get lucky.

Wow Moz one would swear we had just thrashed England at home - sadly it was pretty average stuff by us in our own back yard, winning by 5, then 9 and a poor draw in the last - which series were you watching

 Thought NH teams performed quite well for being at the end of a long season. Final record was not a reflection of how close the games were. Could easily have won three or four more other than Scotlands 

SH teams were very inconsistent and showed dominance for only periods of play (apart from last NZ/Ireland and France/Arg game)

 Ag ou Moz. One can watch the games, and read the reviews and listen to some people some of the time and then use everything to form an opinion. Or you can ignore all of this, like you do, and just decide what you want to believe and then bullshit yourself into actually believing your own drivel.