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Xs & Os - Los Pumas Try (RC 2019)

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Aug 2019, 20:06
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14 Aug 2019, 20:06#1
In what has become a hotly discussed topic, I bring propose we examine the notorious phase more closely. Firstly, Los Pumas set up with Sanchez inside a POD of three: Alemanno, Kremer, Isa. They are bunched together, with Kremer the clear head in an arrow formation. As soon as Sanchez receives the ball, Kremer launches into a straight run between Steph and Thor. Steph immediately rushes out of the line, angling out to meet Kremer, leaving a sizeable space between he and the next player in, Mostert. Sanchez seizes the opportunity and breaks into the space vacated by Steph. Mostert simply isn't quick enough to cover for Steph against such a speedy back. It was a mismatch.  



In last year's opening RC test against Los Pumas, they deployed this shape religiously for over 40 minutes, but couldn't pry the Bok defence open or generate momentum. The Boks held firm around the fringes. Here, Steph presented an opportunity for free space and Sanchez took it. At 01:23, Steph has Sanchez looking at that blindspot, as he is entirely locked in on Kremer. Mostert is disconnected by the Steph rush. 



AUGE CONCLUSION: Had Steph advanced up with the rest of the line, Sanchez throws a simple short ball to Kremer to crash it up. The Boks get to soak up the pressure from Steph's prior lapse and eventually repel the plucky Criollos. 

ALTERNATE SOLUTIONS: Does anyone else have another solution which does involve Steph rushing out of the line? How does Mostert account for that space, and how can he overcome the speed of Sanchez? 

THE ORIGINAL KHATA'AH OF STEPH

The phase which started the Puma attack. The ball rolls out of the ruck behind Cubelli. Steph immediately rushes out to tackle him. Cubelli though only has to turn and scoop up the ball and flick the ball up to Sanchez to take Steph out of play. 



Kwagga rushes up to tackle Sanchez, but misses the tackle. Sanchez steps inside towards the prior ruck, but passes out to Moroni. This action draws in Eben, leaving Pollard to deal 1v1 with Moroni. He misses the tackle and Los Pumas advance forward with the Boks scrambling. This leads up to the defensive lapse which allowed Sanchez to setup a try. 



THE MOSTERT TECHNIQUE

Before the above, there was a phase where Los Pumas threw exactly the same shape at the Boks. This time, Mostert was the lead rusher. Mostert tracks the carrier, Sanchez, then shifts out with the pass to tackle Figallo with minimal fuss. straight to ground. What we learn from this is that Mostert reads play more proactively and makes many adjustments in fractions of a second. Things Steph clearly doesn't or cannot do. 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
14 Aug 2019, 20:54
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14 Aug 2019, 20:54#2

BS in Lorry loads again.   The sketch was  wrong as expected,  Mostert was lined up in defense opposite Sanchez - Du Toit the next potential receiver,    Mostert has a history of missed open field tackles and he buggered-up totally the tackle on Sanchez - end of story.   

Same thing happened in two cases in the Wellington test last year - nothing different.   But then you could not falsely blame Du Toit for the bugger-ups.   No dimness Mozart made a shit comment on the defense and you supported him as per normal.   Anybody falling for that must be totally rugby ignorant.      .      

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
14 Aug 2019, 22:43
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14 Aug 2019, 22:43#3
Augie look at the clip again.....Sanchez actually throws a dummie. And Stephanie bites, part of the reason he rushed out of the defensive line.
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
14 Aug 2019, 23:21
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14 Aug 2019, 23:21#4

 @Lügnerin: Mostert was not lined up opposite Sanchez.



@Mozferatu: You're right, he does buy the motion from Sanchez. The more I look at it, the less I am inclined to blame his movement entirely on the dummy. You may disagree with me, but his concentration is almost entirely upon Kremer for the entire movement. His body position is always angled towards At 1:23 Sanchez pulls his arms back feigning a pass, he never extends his arms out. He instead rolls the ball across his chest into his right arm. Steph goes for Kremer a fair while before that roll occurs. Steph had one thing in mind. Tackle Kremer. This was very passive defending for so early in the contest. This pretty much sums up his style, he makes a 50/50 call; great if it works, tragic if it doesn't. In the Mostert defence above, we see better proactive defending, and the physicality to assert himself in the collision. 


I must say that Faf was rather slow tracking back. Either way you cut it, you can't let a carrier have that inside space. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 01:14
#5
15 Aug 2019, 01:14#5

Did Mostert miss the tackle on Sanchezm - yes or no?  

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2019, 01:36
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15 Aug 2019, 01:36#6

Stop obfuscating the topic. Why did Sanchez decide to run at us? That is the first and foremost point of consideration. The first domino to fall can be found by answering that question. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 01:38
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15 Aug 2019, 01:38#7

Answer the question - very plain to answer

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2019, 01:46
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15 Aug 2019, 01:46#8

Mostert, the secondary defender, missed the Sanchez Steph let through our line. Simples. Steph doesn't defend so recklessly, Sanchez gives a short ball to Kremer and they begin to prob again as our defence finds its shape again. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 02:10
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15 Aug 2019, 02:10#9

So Mostert - the primary defender - botched the tackle attempt royally and the idiots on site have to find a reason to cover for that,   What a Ship of Fools we have iro some site members,

As if that was the first and only botched open-field tackle of Mostert - he made a reputation last year of missing such tackles.     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2019, 02:23
#10
15 Aug 2019, 02:23#10

If you want to make this a competition between Mostert and Steph for open field tackling, the latter loses. Just like Totenbaum. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 02:51
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15 Aug 2019, 02:51#11

No comparison.  Du Toit is an all-round top test player - Mostert is a provincial-club player, not good enough to play on test level - deficient in physicality.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2019, 03:36
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15 Aug 2019, 03:36#12

We can go back and forth on this all week, but the main takeaway from this is that Steph is a lottery on defence. We see this each and every game. The same gateway through our defence. It's no surprise that Sanchez and Kremer worked on Steph, not Mostert. In fact, this error was very similar to the lapse of Damian in 2015, when he was preoccupied with outside runners that he neglected the inner threat. Giteau got through and put Folau into space. The same thing here, Steph never took Sanchez as a serious threat. He zeroed in on Kremer and nothing was going to change that. Too often he darts out of the line looking for the hero tackle. Unfortunately for him he is no Schalk, Victor, Andre or Fourie. Not even a Jean. He isn't good at rushing the attackers. If we progress deep into the World Cup, you can guarantee we'll be posting footage of the very same errors. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2019, 05:56
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15 Aug 2019, 05:56#13
James Dalton, obviously a clearer eyed analyst, less affected by hype, nails it in picking his pack: .... 'South Africa in 2019, in sync with our rugby history, is spoilt for choice with locks. My starting combination would be Eben Etzebeth at No 4, as he commands authority and has an incredible physical presence, with Franco Mostert to complement him at 5, with his athleticism, work rate and defensive acuity.' ...... 'Unfortunately, Siya Kolisi hasn’t seen any game time in the green and gold this year, but his first year as Bok captain and some superb Vodacom Super Rugby performances earlier in the year secure him the blindside position in my team. This is unfortunate for Pieter-Steph Du Toit, as he simply cannot offer the openside role that is left vacant by playing Kolisi on the blind, and I believe the best bet to fill this specialist position would be Marcell Coetzee. However, Pieter-Steph’s impact lies in his versatility and I would be quick to bring him into the game in the second half, either at lock or in the open. Duane Vermuelen commands an unmatched physical presence at the back of the scrum, but more subtly is hugely important in the Springboks’ defensive organisation and winning ball at the breakdown.' ..... The more astute observer can see time and time again how Stephanie's lock DNA hurts the team....eg the Bargie try. These testosterone induced mad bull of the Pampas rushes out of line aren't the work product of a skilled flanker. But to be honest Stephanie plays a rover role, only made possible because Mostert provides such great coverage. We have played pretty much without a blindsider in the RC.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 08:57
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15 Aug 2019, 08:57#14

James Dalton now a rugby authority - LMAO.   This idiot is as stupid as Dalton - Idiot Speaker at best,  LMAO.

Mostert never provides coverage for anybody.  Pip squeak blamed Du Toit for Mostert missing a tackle on Sanchez and the fact was Mostert botched the tackle badly - as mad as a March Hare,  

This is near to the biggest BS Mozart spread on site.  His excuses for -

*   Morne missing a penalty line kick in the Perth test leading to a try scored by he Aussies and a Springbok loss; and

*   Vermeulen losing the ball in possession leading to the Goodhue try in the RC match recently,

blaming others for the balls ups are classics of huge proportions in a BS mountain - but this one is not below those two.   Devious and totally prejudiced.

So Dalton knows more about Rugby than Erasmus!!!!   LMAO            

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
15 Aug 2019, 09:05
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15 Aug 2019, 09:05#15

Hahahahaha hilarious stuff from the anti Steph loons. 

It's worse than trying to make our winning the RWC all but a disaster. 

Bwhahahaha oh my aching sides! 

Thanks goodness we have a coach who appreciated Du Toit immense contributions. 

Du Toit right now is the best 7 in world rugby as Mallet suggested. 

Wise people will go with Mallet long before they go with Dalton, not the sharpest pencil in the box. 

Rassie Mallet and Beeno and most folk appreciate Du Toit and the magnificent forward he is. 

Seldom have I heard such utter BS. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 09:49
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15 Aug 2019, 09:49#16

Beeno

The two and Pakie are guilty of spreading rugby fake news and have been aught out repeatedly.   Mozart should know better - but his anti Du Toit campaign is now in its fifth year and originated from the time Du Toit started to pose a threat to Matfield and we can expect it to go on until Du Toi retires from international rugby.   ]

Fact is that AO is a proven total rugby fool and Pakie for some reason or another is a dedicated Bulls and Meyer supporter that would try and discredits the same players  Mozart and AO discredit,   

And then there is the anti-Erasmus campaign one should have hoped died down by now with the winning of the RC trophy and recent test winning levels, but is even more brazen than before.   Mozart started the story with blatant untrue statements about Erasmus and his career and that was carried on by Ceradunce, AO and Pakie,     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2019, 09:59
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15 Aug 2019, 09:59#17

Blaming others? Here I not only proved that Steph was the entry point into our defence in that ill-fated phase of play, but he was the entry point yet again a few phases earlier for the initial breakout. You have the events the wrong way around, Mostert doesn't miss a tackle which leads to Steph being out of position! 

As per Morné? Classic Lügnerin. The ball ends up 60 metres up field, the Boks advance with a solid, organised line, and two missed tackles later, try. The meat you left out of your lie sandwich. The missed tackles? Serfontein and Lambie. Surprise, surprise. Always the same faces at the scene of the crime. Such reckless defending. 

What is so astounding in this test is how unfocused Steph was at the start of the match. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 10:17
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15 Aug 2019, 10:17#18
A new load of BS by AO - "unfocussed"  LMAO
By the way was Mostert ever focused at all in the whole Argentina game - also in line-outs????  LMAO  
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2019, 14:24
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15 Aug 2019, 14:24#19
The incident at minute 33.20 is a classical example of Stephanie's inability to read the play. The Bargie has 3 passing options....and that freezes Stephanie's computer. He remains totally focused on one option, failing to even see the player on the cut, who brushes past him unimpeded. A lock, with a flank's number, with literally no responsibilities....a pure rover role. Nice work if your team mates can cover for you.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 15:16
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15 Aug 2019, 15:16#20

Balls - the incident was really BS,   The Argentine player was running from the back and when he saw Du Toit coming he changed  his running line to be outside of Du Toit and ran straight into Nyakane and Etzebeth.  Total BS dreamed up by a person with lunatic delusional BS in mind only.  

If Erasmus and real rugby experts see that description by Mozart they would have to have special treatment for stopping to laugh at the shit coming out of such silly craziness. .     

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 15:16
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15 Aug 2019, 15:16#21

Balls - the incident was really BS,   The Argentine player was running from the back and when he saw Du Toit coming he changed  his running line to be outside of Du Toit and ran straight into Nyakane and Etzebeth.  Total BS dreamed up by a person with lunatic delusional BS in mind only.  

If Erasmus and real rugby experts see that description by Mozart they would have to have special treatment for stopping to laugh at the shit coming out of such silly craziness. .     

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 15:16
#22
15 Aug 2019, 15:16#22

Balls - the incident was really BS,   The Argentine player was running from the back and when he saw Du Toit coming he changed  his running line to be outside of Du Toit and ran straight into Nyakane and Etzebeth.  Total BS dreamed up by a person with lunatic delusional BS in mind only.  

If Erasmus and real rugby experts see that description by Mozart they would have to have special treatment for stopping to laugh at the shit coming out of such silly craziness. .     

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2019, 15:23
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15 Aug 2019, 15:23#23

If Rassie, the first supposed professional Bok coach (), can review film and still believe Steph is the best 7, then we have a Mr Magoo leading us to the World Cup. Such a thought indeed. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2019, 15:24
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15 Aug 2019, 15:24#24
He was nowhere near Nyakane or Etzebeth....he was tackled by Kwagga. You can't even find the right incident, but that doesn't stop you from opining on it!
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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
15 Aug 2019, 15:27
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15 Aug 2019, 15:27#25

I might splice the film for this test. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2019, 15:31
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15 Aug 2019, 15:31#26

He was tackled by Nyakane and Etzebeth - BSter.    I watched the incident carefully because Mozart was lying outright about what happened as per no rmal with him.   

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2019, 20:47
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15 Aug 2019, 20:47#27
Here we go again.....
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2019, 11:34
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16 Aug 2019, 11:34#28

OK lets accept facts - dear Mozart did his ordinary - the player he supported made a total bugger-up of a feeble tackle attempt on Sanchez  so he tried to blame Du Toit for the bugger-up.  This is why his contributions are so funny.  LMAO 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Aug 2019, 14:42
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16 Aug 2019, 14:42#29
On the contrary, once again Stephanie's role in a an opposition try.......totally ignored by fake news......has been exposed. Just as his role in pulling down Koch in the home AB test....and conceding the crucial penalty which lost the game....was exposed. This man is a defensive vulnerability. Stick with moz, not fake news.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2019, 15:56
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16 Aug 2019, 15:56#30

No Mozart - it was a piss poor tackle attempt by Mostert - end of story,  Don't try the diversion method of blaming others for bugger-ups made by your favourites,  It just does not work at all and it is silly to do so.  .   

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2019, 15:56
#31
16 Aug 2019, 15:56#31

No Mozart - it was a piss poor tackle attempt by Mostert - end of story,  Don't try the diversion method of blaming others for bugger-ups made by your favourites,  It just does not work at all and it is silly to do so.  .   

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
16 Aug 2019, 19:14
#32
16 Aug 2019, 19:14#32

Sanchez against a forward, in space, is a mismatch. That's why you don't forgo line integrity giving him that space. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Aug 2019, 22:29
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16 Aug 2019, 22:29#33

Sure it is a mismatch - but the fact that Mostert failed badly in making a tackle cannot be blamed on Du Toit as Mozart and you tried desperately to do - your sketch above is fraudulent as well,  Nobody gave Sanchez space - but Mostert made such a feeble attempt to tackle him  he just ran through the tackle.

Just for the record the line that Sanchez ran was totally different from the one indicated by you in your sketch and the position of Mostert was also different.  Du Toit was outside of Mostert - not inside  as the sketch indicated and Sanchez just ran through him.  The gap between Mostert and Du Toit was not even a meter and a half a[art ad the only way Sanchez could get through was to run into the feeble tackle attempt of  Mostert.   That was just one of the 8 tackles missed by Mostert last Saturday, but not a word of those misses from you and Mozart,  

Matter of fact the blame game of Du Topi was the same BS preached by the two of you blaming De Allende for the Goodhue try and not going back to the original balls-up by Vermeulen which caused the real problem and that famous f#ck up of Morne in the Perth test.  Ridiculous nonsense and you expect people to fall for it.

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AugenöffnerPro6,974 posts
17 Aug 2019, 00:45
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17 Aug 2019, 00:45#34

The line was as illustrated in my following photo. I find it interesting that you never mention Thor. Could he not have made a better tackle attempt? Either way, Sanchez ran directly through the vacated space of Steph, How can you possibly deny this? Even if Mostert and Thor could/should have done better covering, Steph was the very reason why this situation occurred. Had he not jumped the line recklessly several phases earlier, Los Pumas wouldn't even have had this field position. Two errors in a few seconds. 



MOSTERT ATTEMPT



THOR ATTEMPT



CONCLUSION

You'll no doubt dispute the line run by Sanchez, but as any honest person can deduce from the above, Sanchez ran away from Mostert into Steph's channel, hence Mostert's diving tackle was unsuccessful - he was beyond the tackle range of Mostert. There was no way that Mostert was going to win a foot race with Sanchez either - none of our forwards could. Steph created pressure by recklessly rushing out of the line. That's the bottom line. He does it in every single game. Only the "hero" tackles make the headlines, or the tribute videos, the other 30-50 percent of these failed defensive situations are swept under the rug. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Aug 2019, 07:26
#35
17 Aug 2019, 07:26#35

This idiot will never accept the truth - Mostert made a piss poor effort to tackle Sanchez and failed because of a feeble attempt.   End of story,    

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
17 Aug 2019, 07:53
#36
17 Aug 2019, 07:53#36

Du Toit was outside of Mostert - not inside  as the sketch indicated

The sketch shows him outside of Mostert. Here, I have rotated it so that it matches the footage angle to make it easier for you. You're not very good at interpreting visual evidence, are you Mike?


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Aug 2019, 08:02
#37
17 Aug 2019, 08:02#37

Pakie

Did Mostert f#ck up the tackle on Sanchez? Yes or no?  That is the only question to be answered, .

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
17 Aug 2019, 08:56
#38
17 Aug 2019, 08:56#38

Don't waste my time with stupid questions. Anyone can see Mostert missed a tackle there. But that is not the only question to be answered. Just as important is why there was space for Sanchez to attack in the first place. But this has all been discussed to death now .

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Aug 2019, 12:38
#39
17 Aug 2019, 12:38#39

No BSter that is Idiot Speak to try and find an excuse to blame another player for Mostert's poor tackle attempt.   The same thing happened before and idiots are always involved.

Mind you that poor tackle attempt was by a distance not the first time i t happened in the case of Mostert.     .   

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