Yes, our stupid centers

Particularly Jesse "The Robot" Kriel.

One example: Kriel is carrying. He has Sacha, Moodie, Willemse running support, Kolbe out wide where the arrow is pointing. Ireland have two blokes left. That ball shifts, only a knock can stop us from scoring. Instead Kriel takes contact, Ireland spoil the ball, opportunity lost.

This is not, as Beeno keeps telling us, Ireland's negativity robbing us of opportunity. This is wrong options and poor execution on our end. That opportunity was there for the taking. Pass it back to Sacha, draw Lowe, pass to Willemse, draw Hansen, pass to Kolbe who canters in. Kriel chose contact with a 4 on 2 outside him.

Perfect example, Pakie.

As Saffolk stated on a different Thread, it’s time to move on from these two ball killing dinosaurs…

Be gone Allendig the Tractor and Jessica :)

What I can't understand is how we see this, have been seeing it for years, but somehow other people can't.

My conclusion is simply that most of the big mouths actually don't know what they are seeing.

And I still go back to that Irish game where Damien the Donkey fluffed a perfect opportunity and Willemse was visibly frustrated , slamming the ball into the ground and yelling.

We saw it, Willemse saw it, everybody but the WP boys and supposed pundits that likely gave DDA a 9/10 for that game saw it.

I absolutely despise the fact that AE is messed around with this hybrid nonsense. Him and Moodie should have taken over this year and Roos or any number of other loosies should have been selected instead of this hybrid kak.

Hear! Hear! Plum..Then off Course Uncle Shit Shit, will cling to this Hybrid nonsense :

" Soos Snot op n Wol Kombers" :)

Plum

You and the other above contributors wants to see what they wish to see and the latter did not won two RWC'ds and two Rugby Championships over the last 7 years,

You and othes keep on posting this typre of thing , In this case Kriel is rightfully crticized for killing an attack and nobody said the statement is wrong - but then automatically De Allende krept into the thread,

Kiel fucked up royally in that case and he way i which De Allendr moved at the time of the tackles he could also become part of the continued attack if Kriel passed the ball instead of doing what he did

I rather based my opinion on expert evaluation than what happened on site and supported by vwery little fatually proved,

For myself in reality I saw that Kriel is no asset anymore and should be dropped from the squad next year, I cannot see that Du Toit and De Allende would be phased out of fuure squad selection - but a number of others would be. Pollard himself is on thin ice - so is Etzebeth, But D Toit and Marx will not be on that list,

So lets see what I can see as reasonable:-

1. I can see that the performance of players like Kolbe,Pollard, Kolisi and Smith will be under strict revciew in the URC and ECC series That review will include the performances of foreign based players.

1. That review will also include Esterhuizen and De Allende - with the obvious investgation on him as a loosie.

By the start of the July tests and new Springbok squad being announced things will become clearer,

I personally would like to see Hooker playing at 13 - where there is one big void at present,

Ha, on point. From The International Rugby Memes Club on Facebook.

No Plum Lucky is a genius for putting Esterhozen at flank. White actually did it first, but you know, White is just dumb.

Net one man up for 60 minutes….worth 15 points…we win by 11.

That worked really well for France and Italy now did it?

Those teams imploded, typical Frog mentality they thought the game was over. Here’s the general rule:

A study of high-level rugby matches (club + international) found:

1. For isolated red card situations (one red, no other cards, and team forced to play 14 vs 15), the team with the numerical advantage averaged a net gain of ~0.25 points per minute of game time remaining after the red card. Mysite
2. For example: If there were ~60 minutes remaining when the red card occurred, then 0.25 × 60 = ~15 points expected net gain for the advantaged team. Mysite
3. The effect depends strongly on when the red card happens (earlier in the game = bigger impact) and how long the team must play a man down.

……..

So Ireland were down a man for a net 60 minutes…..in the average situation that’s worth 15 points.

How many times did Jessica and Dud Allende take contact and die with the ball in that game….at least 10 I would guess. With a man up there has to have been space in other cases than Pakie’s example….commit the tackler and offload. Brown ball hasn’t managed to leap that low hurdle.

Mozart

If ever there ere a lucky coach in S A - -it was White as thick as a brick when it comes to coaching - no game plan ever, He got fired 4 times because he was an ncompetent and deficient coach. His team won the WC desite him being the coach because they besat a reall over-a ge defcient team the Eng lish team was, None of Ireland, New Zealand or Autralia reached the semi-finals - especially the AB's - who beat the Sprinbgboks by a mile in the RC that ear managed to lose the match against ranch,

In the RWC in 2007 never once met a team ranked above the Springboks in the whole RWC series - not onmce and in the Roudn Robin game they ebat the English team easily and strgiggled in the ffinal - despite the deicient team they emt in the final,

Whote knows abut forward play - he knew nothing aboutbackline play - in plain words it showed in an all teams bar the Brumbies where Larkham coached the abckline players and White - hoping to ebcome the Aussoe Coach dared not to interfere,

Hilarious nonsense from the brain dead Mamparas Union.

Kriel and Allende have been involved in two RWC wins, three Rugby Championship wins, a Lions series win and this year what looks like a clean sweep of NH teams.

Their defence against a tricky Irish backline was superb as it usually is.

Of course anybody can go through a match and pick a bad moment or two as the propagandist Mampara Paskster has done and that was applauded by these other Mamparas.

The Mamparas Union is calling for the ditching of Allende and Kriel. This of course will happen at some point as time marches on. But guess what I happy to leave that decision to master coach Rassie not to armchair buffoons who have an hugely inflated view of their rugby acumen.

As for Mozzietard comment re White placing Esterhuizen at flank note White never succeeded in using Esterhuizen as a hybrid player. Rassie did. This was just mozzietard doing what he always does belittling Rassie's achievements.

The loons must have forgot I am still posting here and calling out their BS and anti Bok nonsense. Bwahahahahahaha.

I am far more concerned about stupid posters here than so called stupid Bok centers.

Again the World rugby community respects Allende and Kriel as a great center combo.

That cannot be refuted.

Once again the Mamparas Union, living as they do in their tiny bubble, are at odds with everyone else. Hilariously they are completely unaware how daft they are. Hahahahaha.

Yes, I saw Kriel butcher some good opportunities.

If that were Argentina's backline, they would have scored blindfolded from some of the positions that Kriel was in.

Jessica Kriel, the glory boy who dies with the ball.

Their defence against the tricky Irish backline was superb’….you mean the defence against Prenderghastly and Crowley in the bin together?Or perhaps the dangerous Gibson Park on the wing. Listen to yourself man and stop talking nonsense. The Irish backline has been poor throughout the YE and they were totally disrupted by cards on Saturday.

But I’m sure your new mate Rhonda agrees with you. After all Dr Lucky put them there.

Mozzietard reaches news lows with his dementia. Are you telling us that Allende and Kriel are not a good defensive center pair. Hahahahahahahahaha.

These loons get more crazy as the days pass!!!

Since when do you win all these huge titles etc having weak defensive centers!!!! . Bwahahahaha Side splitting stuff from poor Mozzietard. The poor oak just doesn't understand the game.

No Nutter, I’m saying your claim they had to be great defenders against Ireland is nonsense. They are both good ‘system defenders’. Kriel is an average tackler and Dud Allende is easily gassed eg by Mo’unga in the WC final. But in the defensive system they have been mostly reliable.

Instead of Jessica and her very dumb boyfriend Damien, we may as well play Roos and Tsitsuka at 12 and 13.

That is, if all they are there for is to defend.

Most people are simply casual fans. They can't think much past the result. Here is what normally happens when I chat to people about rugby.m;

They'll talk about how they like certain players but will very rarely offer any insights worth a second thought. Sometimes, I'll mention my deep dislike for how DDA plays. And there will always be or two people in the group that smile smile and agree as if to say "I thought I was alone in how badly I want him to de dropped."

Surprise surprise, I end up talking more with them and the DDA dislikers are always the more hardcore rugby fans. The people that actually pay attention to more than the pretty lights and white tights.

And let's also remember, the chances that the ugly couple butcher is only half the story.

The other half is all the opportunities that they never create.

Imagine Nonu and company watching this Bok side.

They'll be looking at the platform the Boks create for the backs licking their lips.

Pearls before swine.

The general rule means fuck all when we see a man down - the Boks have proved that 2 games in a row, the Lions have, as have numerous teams

Kolbe had one run ball in hand and one pass all game. Both in the lead up to Willemses try in the 4th minute in a game that lasted over 120 minutes. Anyone that thinks Duh Allende and Kriel are the two best centers SA can pick are "MAMPARAS" of the highest order.

Dumb!

Yes the coach is a mampara, so many Bok players are useless according to these know it all armchair pundits.

As I said these loons live in a tiny bubble where they love to pat each other on the back and say how great each one is and how right they are about everything.

The rest of us look on in amazement at the overweening arrogance and ignorance it's too funny for words.

Mozzietard again belittling Allende and Kriels great defensive skills. When will the poor loon get something right!

I have posted a number of video and items by various people over the years who praised Allende in fact apart from the fruitcakes here I have not seen commentators and well know pundits talking down Alkende like the clowns here do.

Maybe the time is coming to move on. Like Dave I like the look of Willemse at 12. That doesn't mean I will smear and belittle Boks like Allende or Kriel who have had fine careers. Shows some respect you wacked out weirdos!

But of course if you can't see that Rassie is a great coach or Du Toit one of the greatest sevens ever then you are far, far gone. I go further and say your continual whining and fault finding and lack of joy at important wins gives you away.

Go and support the Wee Abs and have done.

"Kolbe had one run ball in hand and one pass all game. Both in the lead up to Willemses try in the 4th minute in a game that lasted over 120 minutes. Anyone that thinks Duh Allende and Kriel are the two best centers SA can pick are "MAMPARAS" of the highest order.

Dumb!

The forecast was for a wet and windy mess, same as Eden Park....not running rugby conditions...we went there to grind them into the mud...mission accomplished.

PS, the weather turned out to be less of a mess than forecasted...

How about all the other games involving DDA and Kriel?

Do all of those games also have very particular reasons why the ball couldn't ever seem to ever get the wing?

Our stupid centres . . .

The most capped centres for the Springboks:

The most capped centre combinations for the Springboks:

Our stupid centres . . . all they do is win us test matches . . . and RWCs.

They did a job for us over many years, and I thank them for it...it's time to move on, but the flack they take on here is out of proportion.

They don't pick themselves...they serve the team at the request of the very capable coach...BTW, luck is a skill too...eare one at that ...

No-one is saying it isn't time to move on . . . and I have been more vocal than anyone about playing DW at #12 and developing Hooker at #13 . . . but to continue deriding these two great Springbok centres in the twilight of their careers - after all the success they've helped bring us - is uncalled for and frankly, it's offensive to real Springbok rugby fans.

"...but to continue deriding these two great Springbok centres in the twilight of their careers - after all the success they've helped bring us..."

Ja, my main gripe with this perpetual nonsense, you're preaching to the converted, albeit the excommunicated converted... :-)

The great center Dud Allende that took us out of RWC 2015 by allowing his direct opponent Nonu huge space inside our 22 and an offload for the winning try. And the same great center tha could have taken us out of RWC 2023 by failing to tackle Mo’unga and then getting gassed for a try that was called back. And whose only practical contribution to our offense in those WCs was running over Biggar who was trying to strip the ball.

And his partner Jessie Kriel who almost exclusively contributed by timing his defensive rushes well onto the opposing 13.

Those two great centers who have enjoyed more great ball behind the world’s best pack….with almost nothing to show for it. They combined in 15 WC games of consequence and produced the Biggar try and Dud Allende falling over the try line against France.

They have been the ‘safe’ choice, but with almost nothing of consequence to show for it.

". . . but with almost nothing of consequence to show for it."

Wehe . . . the opinionated rugby noob admitting that he thinks things like RWC wins, Tri-Nations victories and the #1 ranking in the world are things of no consequence.

LMAO!

Once again the tired old Vaccine tactic of deliberately not understanding the point….which was their contributions not the team results.

Are you still saying "nothing of consequence", you conceited old fop?

No, I didn't think so . . .

Of course I’m saying ‘nothing of consequence’ you inconsequential fat man.

Hmmm . . . "inconsequential" is an interesting adjective to use to someone you're busy responding to . . . assuming you know what the word actually means and it's not just another multi-syllable word you throw around to try and appear intelligent in your smarmy and overbearing manner.

If something is "consequential" then it means that something follows from it. "Inconsequential" is the opposite . . . nothing eventuates from it . . . yet here you are responding to me.

LMAO!

Feeling stupid yet, chump . . . or are you more than half way through the bottle already?

We have had 4 great centres in DA, AE, Jessie and Am who have served us unbelievably well

The anti DA’s tell me they don’t know enough about the game to appreciate his value

Have loved DA over the years - I preferred Am to Jessie but Jessie did a job

Poor AE deserved more starts but DA was preferred and rightly so but Rassie still could have given him more

But yes we definitely need to move on - our centres are old men now

Thankfully we have options to burn to replace them

I doubt Dud Allende is any worse than he was 4 years ago Dave, in fact he’s probably better. So if he was so great then why are you replacing him now.

Rhonda that is truly one of your more stupid posts. You are inconsequential to me even on this rugby board, let alone in life where you are just another failure. But that doesn’t mean I can’t expose your ignorance just for fun, as I did when you came up with the Explorer vaccine theory. Is the rabbit consequential to the the man with the shot gun? Only if he is starving or trying to prove his prowess. In general it’s just a target.

He has always been great but needs replacing given his age and the need for something new

He has been our best 12 ever, I’d give him the edge over Jean, but only just, probably mostly because he is fresh in my memory, which is not the case with Jean - that’s how good he has been for the Boks

Willemse has the potential to be better than DA