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Yet another take on Pollard

Started by Mozart39 REPLIES611 VIEWS· 23 Sept 2014, 05:37
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Sept 2014, 05:37
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23 Sept 2014, 05:37#1
Saffex
 
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Posts: 9345RE: Bulls robbed
March 30, 2013, 16:47:37

Mike your reaction is way over the top..........Mapoe had a good game compared to last week. He did well to get over the try line, not sure what you are on about regarding his loss of possession - it happens, he was hit by 3 defenders.

 

Hougaard, the best 9 in the country will replace the average Vermaak once fit and Visser should replace Kirchner. Frik Kirtsen is a better tighthead than the average Werner Kruger. Mellett has had a good season and was unfairly penalised in the scrums. Dewald Potgieter has been good this season and did more good than bad today.

 

Why would they be stupid enough to play Pollard at 12, when they have Serfontein and JJ at centre......a combo which potentially looks the best in SA. Frans Venter is a quality 12, and had a solid game last week. Pollard has made no impression at Vodacom level so why would you want to promote him huh?

 

My Bulls side would be: 

 

15. Visser 14. Mapoe 13. JJ 12. Serfontein 11. Basson 10. Fouche 9. Hougaard 1. Mellett 2. Chiliboy 3. Kirsten 4. Flip 5. Willemse 6. Botha 7. Hattingh 8. Spies 16. Vermaak 17. Morne 18. F.Venter 19. W.Kruger 20. Wepner 21. Jeandre Kruger 22. D.Potgieter


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Sept 2014, 05:42
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23 Sept 2014, 05:42#2
So this is what consistent support looks like! There is a lesson here. It's not that Sapp, and Mike completely missed Pollard.....others did as well. That Dave wanted no part of Pollard. That Mike wanted him at 12 behind a flyhalf like Fouche.
It's that junior form is nothing but a ticket to several consecutive lotteries. And we cant be certain who will succeed until we see success on the field level by level.
There are no gurus.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2014, 08:36
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23 Sept 2014, 08:36#3
Mozart
You lose sight of one thing.  Both Dave and myself has had reservations about what happened at the Vodacom cup last year - when Pollard was played at 12 - and when eh was played at 12 in the 2013 JWC.
He was not effective at 12 - and if anybody is critical about playing a playe out of position - then that person is suddenly not supporting a player.   None of us are as odiously submissive as you are about playing players out of their natural position as you are.   You support the idea to play a downright awefully  poor 12 at 10 - where he was worse - and a very low work rate lock at 7 - where he was the same - yet you criticize others who do not support the principle that players should not be played outside of their owwn natural position.    
That is showing no idea about rugby - just absolute rubbishy thinking.    
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
23 Sept 2014, 11:51
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23 Sept 2014, 11:51#4
 Many fly halves had a lot of game time at 12 in their early careers. Dan Carter, Jonny Wilkinson, Hennie Le Roux, Morne Steyn, Jaques-Louis Potgieter, etc.

"Inside Centre (No. 12) & Outside Centre (No. 13)

Like their flanker counterparts in the Forwards, the Centres are all-rounders, but with extra power, mobility and handling to augment the defensive capabilities of the Backs as well as provide some venom to the offence. Both Centres receive frequent balls from the fly-half to test the opposition’s defensive line and expose gaps which either they or the wingers can profit from.

However, whereas the outside centre tends more towards wing-play, the inside centre more closely approximates the fly-half in his or her abilities. It is subsequently far from unique for a fly-half to play at inside centre and vice versa (England’s Jonny Wilkinson is a notable example)

  • Famous Centres – Tana Umaga (New Zealand), Philippe Sella (France), Mike Tindall (England), Mils Muliaina (New Zealand)"
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2014, 12:02
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23 Sept 2014, 12:02#5
 Zeromoron
Sure ome players has the game reading ability to play at both 10 and 12 - but ultimately only the better ball sense players will make the 10 position their own.  You spoil your argument by mentioning Steyn and Potgiter - they were never any good at flhalf or center - so why mention them?  Since 2012 Francois Steyn was poor as a center and worse as a flyhalf.   On the other hand - Pollard was not good playing at Center - he was and remains in essence only a flyhalf s pecialist.      
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Sept 2014, 14:55
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23 Sept 2014, 14:55#6

Wow that was 18 months ago and confirms why at the time my flyhalf choices were Goosen and Lambie.

 

I rated Pollard at the time but he was too raw for higher honours at that stage.....he was one for the future 18 months ago. Would I have been pushing for Pollard as the Bok 10 aged 18......nooooooo, for the obvious reason I was a huge Goosen and Lambie fan at the time, as I am now.

 

Well tried Moffie its now Sept 2014.....hellooooooooooooooooooo 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
23 Sept 2014, 17:29
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23 Sept 2014, 17:29#7
 clevermike

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Posts: 13033 RE: Yet another take on Pollard
September 23, 2014, 10:02:19  Zeromoron
Sure ome players has the game reading ability to play at both 10 and 12 - but ultimately only the better ball sense players will make the 10 position their own.  You spoil your argument by mentioning Steyn and Potgiter - they were never any good at flhalf or center - so why mention them?  Since 2012 Francois Steyn was poor as a center and worse as a flyhalf.   On the other hand - Pollard was not good playing at Center - he was and remains in essence only a flyhalf specialist.      



You are missing the point. Some of the greatest flyhalves played inside centre in their early careers. That was the point that I was actually making. You have just walked straight into it again. Your first option is always to try and see where you could find a way to crap on Morne Steyn's head first, which gives you a way out. I predict when you are going to fade away time and time again and I am correct every time.

Check this thread:

Ceradyne

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September 19, 2014, 11:38:17   Yep. Just as expected. Ou Maaikie is gone again.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Sept 2014, 17:45
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23 Sept 2014, 17:45#8
 The OOm 11 months ago
On CC level we must remember that Van Aswegen and Catrakillis was injured and did not play for WP, and that Watts of the Cheetahs, and Pollard of the Bulls were bog ordinary to poor
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Sept 2014, 17:54
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23 Sept 2014, 17:54#9
 And this from February of this year.....Dave calling for Morne rather than Pollard, who he doesn't even mention....not on his radar screen.
"The big issue with the Bulls is how poor Fouche was at 10......hell I think even Morne could have done a better job"

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Sept 2014, 18:14
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23 Sept 2014, 18:14#10
Then we have this howler from earlier this year clevermike
 
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Posts: 13033RE: SA Super 15 rookies
February 01, 2014, 09:15:01

Beeno


The best rookies are the following-


Sharks -  Swiel, Esterhuizen, Fisher, Williams


Stormers  - Van Wyk, Kolbe - maybe too small as a qing


Lions - Hanekom, Jaco Kriel 


I do not think Hendricks can be regarded as a rookie - he was constantly on the bench for the Cheetahs last  and had quite a bit of game time.


I do not rate Pollard as a flyhalf - he is a Morne Steyn clone - and that is bad news .


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Sept 2014, 18:16
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23 Sept 2014, 18:16#11
 So we have the picture....OOm and Dave may have noticed Pollard two years ago. But by earlier this year they had written him off....totally. It wasn't until the Junior RWC that they started singing his praises again.
They know nothing....they see nothing.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2014, 18:20
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23 Sept 2014, 18:20#12
Mozart
Have you gomne completely bananas - you stupid old BSter.   When Pollard played Vodacoom Cup last year for te Bulls at center - he was not at all doing well.    But then you never knew about Pollard as a playe in any event - you aw him coming on for the Bulls in April in Super Rugby and then after a couple of months you said he maight be good enough to take over from your favourite Francois Steyn and your second favourite Morne Steyn after the 2015 WC.   
Even after the tests agaoinst Argentina you said Morne saved the game for the Springboks - no reference to Pollard.   Now suddenly becaiuse neither Dav or myself was impressed with him playing at center  and saying it out loud - we were wrong.   
At least  we s peak out when  player does not perform well - you are too subservient to do so.     
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
23 Sept 2014, 18:34
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23 Sept 2014, 18:34#13

Moffie your really are scraping the barrel aren't you.....me calling for Morne is a stretch.

 

Fouche looked a good prospect at 10 before his injury. His return to the game co-insided with a dramatic fall in form, he was awful on his return......and yes Morne could probably have done a better job for the BULLS at the time.......would I have selected Morne......probably not, he is that crap.

 

Moffie kindly point out where I had written Pollard off earlier this year.......man oh man and you pride yourself on so called no lying.......geez old man, get a grip.

 

But kindly provide the evidence to back your claim up - liar  

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
23 Sept 2014, 18:35
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23 Sept 2014, 18:35#14
I have read the post that Moz qouted twice and it definitely qoute you as saying that you do not rate Pollard as a flyhalf, ou Maaikie. That was also not from last year.  Check the date.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2014, 18:58
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23 Sept 2014, 18:58#15
 The living in the past demons at it again - the present counts for nothing - the past remains unchanged and counts for verything.  Why do I call them morons - because morons they are and morns theyw ill always be.
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
23 Sept 2014, 19:25
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23 Sept 2014, 19:25#16
 Neeeeee my blixem ou Maaikie. You are really scraping the bottom here. You keep on talking about the past being dragged in but your remark was made in February of 2104, not 2013 as you are trying to make us believe. Check again. I will highlight and underline the date for you.
http://www.sarugby.com/forum.cfm?threadid=7929
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February 01, 2014, 09:15:01

Beeno


The best rookies are the following-


Sharks -  Swiel, Esterhuizen, Fisher, Williams


Stormers  - Van Wyk, Kolbe - maybe too small as a qing


Lions - Hanekom, Jaco Kriel 


I do not think Hendricks can be regarded as a rookie - he was constantly on the bench for the Cheetahs last  and had quite a bit of game time.


I do not rate Pollard as a flyhalf - he is a Morne Steyn clone - and that is bad news.



That's it. Less than seven months ago you didn't rate Pollard as a flyhalf.
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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
23 Sept 2014, 21:24
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23 Sept 2014, 21:24#17
Just a side remark: Kudos to Dawie Theron for spotting Pollard and pulling him into the U20 squad.  
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sharkbokCaptain23,294 posts
23 Sept 2014, 21:33
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23 Sept 2014, 21:33#18
Blikkies I dont think the Kudos are due to Dawie Theron, or really to anyone for that matter. Meyer had apparently contracted Pollard to the Bulls when he was in standard nine, as he was a well known junior at this stage by those in the know.
Pollard like Goosen is someone that stood out as the best in the their position since they were like 14 years old. They went to the best rugby schools like Greys School, Paarl etc. They had the best high school rugby coach/teachers who have got relationships to the likes of Meyer, Jake White, Dawie Theron.(Jakw White and Grame Henry are both ex-school head teachers where they also coached rugby)
They have been around for such a long time that no one really indentified them. They were shoe ins to every bok team in their age group, and pretty much selected themselves.
Percy Montgomery was apparently like that as well in school. He was the stand out player in his age group, not just in his position of fullback/flyhalf. The very best players are usually the standouts at national level from a very young age

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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
23 Sept 2014, 21:40
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23 Sept 2014, 21:40#19

Explanation accepted Sharkbok. I did not follow (or read up) Pollard's development pre his U20 years. Thanks.

 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
23 Sept 2014, 22:09
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23 Sept 2014, 22:09#20
@Sharkbok & Blikkies. This might hurt a poster or two, but Heyneke Meyer has actually had Handre Pollard under the magnifying glass since before the age of 15. He was the one who convinced Dawie Theron to take him off the school benches into the JRWC for the first time when Goosen was injured and ruled out.

http://www.sarugbymag.co.za/blog/details/pollards-steady-rise

The handling of Handré Pollard has been a South African rugby success story, writes RYAN VREDE.


Pollard sent the South African rugby media into a spin when it was announced he had signed for the Bulls after years spent in the Western Province system. If you didn’t know anything about the game, you would have been excused for thinking the world’s best player had transferred from his hometown club to their bitter rivals. Instead, it was just a kid, admittedly a gifted one, choosing a preferred entry point for his professional career.


I struggle to recall any schoolboy player commanding the degree of media attention Pollard did at that stage, and that attention has been constant as he’s made his way through the ranks. The hype will dog him throughout his career. For many, even a single underwhelming performance will be indicative of his lack of aptitude.


To others, a single glittering one confirmation that he is South Africa’s rugby messiah.

Balanced assessments are lacking in the South African rugby fraternity. Provincialism clouds those assessments further, with some bitter Western Province fans praying for Pollard to fail, while the Bulls’ disciples won’t waste any time calling for him to be a Springbok. To speak about Pollard in that context at this stage is ludicrous.


Pollard’s done nothing in his brief professional career to warrant absolute praise, or absolute disdain. Certainly he doesn’t have the swagger and impossible brilliance of a young Frans Steyn, who imposed his will on men much older and much more accomplished.


Steyn immediately looked at home in Super Rugby and could well have bypassed that stage and gone straight to Test rugby and still been a hit. No, Pollard isn’t there.

But there are lessons in Steyn’s story. Having won a World Cup at 20, a British & Irish Lions series a couple of years later and stockpiled more euros than he could shake a stick at before he was 25, Steyn has regressed badly. Overweight and seemingly lacking drive, the once-brilliant talent is a shadow of his former self.


Steyn admitted to me in a 2012 interview that he had always struggled with, well, let’s call it over-confidence. It made him difficult to teach and correct, he said, and his enormous success and the accompanying acclaim he experienced in his formative years as a pro fed the monster.


He said he wished he’d had a mentor to guide him through that period, wished he’d been more circumspect in how he dealt   with certain people, wished he hadn’t burned so many bridges, wished it had gone a little slower.


Purposeful planning and expert mentorship – this is where our hope in Pollard can be rooted. His move to the Bulls was the right one. Supporters in the Cape have been so starved of success in recent years that they lack the patience needed to create an environment where a young player like Pollard can grow at his own pace. The media fuels their impatience. Unless you hit the ground running, Cape Town isn’t a city in which you want to start your senior professional career.


With Pollard still at school, there was already an impossible-to-match sense of expectation in the Cape, created by his expert showings for the Baby Boks in their march to the Junior World Championship crown in 2012. Signing for the Bulls will prove to be a definitive career choice.


That move was sealed well ahead of the time WP thought they had entered into serious negotiations with him. Springbok coach Heyneke Meyer had been watching Pollard since he was 13 or 14 years old and, acting in his capacity as the Bulls’ director of rugby, engaged in informal discussions with his parents about a possible move north. Meyer plotted Pollard’s career path even then, explaining exactly how he saw him developing. The Pollards were sold; WP never had a hope of securing his signature.


Meyer would later get on the phone to Baby Boks coach Dawie Theron, encouraging him to draft the kid from Paarl Gym into his squad for the Junior World Championship. ‘You’ll win with him,’ Meyer told Theron, who, to his credit, wasted no time in installing Pollard as his starting 10. Only that gift from the rugby gods, Jan Serfontein, prevented Pollard from being named Player of the Tournament.


His elevation through the Varsity Cup and Bulls ranks has been good. There wasn’t any pressure to rush him on, and the fruits will show in time.


He hasn’t been outstanding or awful in the handful of Currie Cup matches he has played, but there is enough there to suggest a bright future.


In 2014 Pollard will get a taste of Super Rugby and the now hazy picture of his future will become clearer, if not clear. He’ll need a couple of seasons at that higher level before we are able to make conclusive deductions about his aptitude. I wouldn’t be surprised if he sizzles in his rookie Super Rugby season – he is a player of immense talent – but equally it isn’t inconceivable that he would stutter along. He’ll probably end up somewhere in between.


Furthermore, his best position is yet to be established. Pollard looked comfortable at inside centre when deployed there, and certainly has the physical (1.89m, 96kg) and technical skills to be a success in the midfield. His temperament is good by all accounts, and will be further honed in the Super Rugby cauldron.


Meyer’s high estimation of him means he starts at an advantage, not having to catch the coach’s eye. Pollard is already a heavily pulsing beat on Meyer’s radar.


The 2015 World Cup may come too soon for Pollard. His form in 2014 will dictate any potential involvement in England. It is more likely he will be part of a new chapter in the Springboks’ unfolding story in 2016. The calibre of young players coming through is deeply encouraging. Already Eben Etzebeth is an established international, Serfontein continues to deliver performances that belie his age, Pieter-Steph du Toit is worth investing faith in, while Siya Kolisi has only recently turned 22. They are but a handful of names worth noting; there are others, and Pollard has every chance of being the rock star of the bunch.


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ShezzaPro2,471 posts
23 Sept 2014, 22:34
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23 Sept 2014, 22:34#21
 That Francois Steyn bit is particularly eye opening. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
23 Sept 2014, 23:19
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23 Sept 2014, 23:19#22

What our resident morons did not know was :-
 " His elevation through the Varsity Cup and Bulls ranks has been good. There wasn’t any pressure to rush him on, and the fruits will show in time.


He hasn’t been outstanding or awful in the handful of Currie Cup matches he has played, but there is enough there to suggest a bright future. "
Mozart and Ceraduunce never saw those matches and the fact that  Dave and I commented on it was base=ically reasonable.   To now - a year later - made much of realistic comments at the time - is absolute BS cpoming from the two thixkest planks on this site .   
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Sept 2014, 00:19
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24 Sept 2014, 00:19#23
The usual BS. It was not about seeing the matches or commenting on them. It was about you denying that you did not rate him and that was as late as Feb this year. You question everything HM does. HM saw the potential and talent of Pollard more than five years ago, while you thought that he was crap less than eight months ago.
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BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
24 Sept 2014, 00:54
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24 Sept 2014, 00:54#24
Ag fn okkof Vlag ... jy is te veel van n walking encyclopaedia .... but any way, thanks man for the interesting information.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2014, 01:20
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24 Sept 2014, 01:20#25
 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2014, 01:58
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24 Sept 2014, 01:58#26
 Dofdoos 
I saw trhe matches and what is in that articl is correct - stop talking KAK about matches you have not seen - leave that to Mozart.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2014, 02:06
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24 Sept 2014, 02:06#27
 Mike you called Pollard Morne like and poor Dave wanted to replace Fouche with Morne, not even mentioning Pollard. Frankly in my books thats a compliment, but in yours its the worst insult. You guys never rated Pollard....you rated Goosen, Lambie and then Swiel. Pollard never got into your mix until the Junior WC. Fact.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2014, 02:12
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24 Sept 2014, 02:12#28
 Moffie good to see you keeping the lying up......when did I call for Morne to replace Fourie. ...liar
We all know I spotted Pollard long before you did get over it old man
Rooinek has already exposed your lying arse over when you jumped on the Pollard wagon....It was only a few months ago
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2014, 02:19
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24 Sept 2014, 02:19#29
 That was last year when he played Vodacom Cup and Varsityu Cup Rugby.  Unlike you I wrote honest assessments of playewr performances and am critical when players oo not really show signs of furhter development.   That was the case with pollard when I was critical abouthim.  
Unlike you I believe that players develop further in their career unntil they reach their peak - - you do not see it that way.   I was always aware of Pollard since the 2012 JWC in 2012.  But as the articke stated he went through 2013 showing very little.   Those are facts of life.   He did show massive improvement during the Vodacom Cup matches this year. 
You became aware of him in April when he came from the bench for the Bulls and hen you came with a classic - Pollard should take over as flyhalf after the 2015 WC
Your idols - the Steyns flopped badly this year - especially Morne was poor - and Meyer had no option but to bring in Pollard.    
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
24 Sept 2014, 02:47
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24 Sept 2014, 02:47#30
You write wild fabrications and I have given you numerous examples of how you wrote nothing but pure BS.

What gave you the idea that I only became aware of Pollard in April. You are f'ng hilarious, man. What Pollard has "shown" has nothing to do with the entire issue, and I am not even going to bother with explaining it to you again.

Fact is that you were writing Pollard off in total. You did not see him as a prospect. In your eyes there were only Glaasen, who is making his name gat in France, at the moment, and Lambie, the utility back. Had Pollard not come onto the scene, you would still be crying because Glaasen would still not have been in the picture.

You are also avoiding the little matter about HM having identified Pollard ages ago and while he was involved in his development, you were shooting your mouth off about him.

I knew that he was being kept at Tuks, under the advice of HM and then brought into the Vodacom cup. I read that article about Pollard ages ago and I still have my doubts about whether he should have been playing in the Bok team already. Time will tell. HM obviously still do not really rate Lambie as a great flyhalf and Goosen's reputation has clearly also received a few bruises in HM's book.

You will note that I have not commented on your remark about Morne Steyn, for reasons mentioned a few times already. This thread is about Goosen.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2014, 03:03
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24 Sept 2014, 03:03#31

 These guys are funny....they were both Goosen, Lambie, Swiel and  then it's anybody's guess. Pollard never even entered their Bok thinking until after the JWC. I cant find one post that sees anything positive, except a belated admission that Pollard should start for the Bools.

 

 

They totally missed the Pollard thing and are now lying to preserve their own self images as spotters of young talent. List compi lers with very little insight as to who will succeed.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2014, 06:33
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24 Sept 2014, 06:33#32
Mozart
The funny guy is you.  Whie we were aware of Pollard - and perhaps too critical in 2013 when he did not show much - youwere not even aware of him before April 2014 - now claiming you discovered him.     An absolute load of crude BS.   
If you saw Pollar din 2013 - you woulr have written pages and pages of absolut crap todestroy his image.   So stick was the poor Fransie and the worse Morne - those you supported through thick and thin this year.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2014, 07:25
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24 Sept 2014, 07:25#33
 I don't claim  the ability to predict which of the youngsters will be successful Springboks. I spotted Pollard first time round, but I had to watch a few Etzebeth games before I became convinced. Of the youngsters two years ago I highlighted Goosen, Etzebeth, Coetzee, Kitshoff and Jordaan. So far I'm scoring 30 per cent. Kitshoff, Goosen and Jordaan won't make it. Etzebeth is a genuine star and Coetzee could be a good place holder flank.
Not very good, but stellar compared to Gurus like you and Dave....OOmpie.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2014, 07:31
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24 Sept 2014, 07:31#34

Take this embarrassing set of predictions by the OOm.....every young player in the known universe is named and elevated to rock star status. Total pablum.





The Youngsters for 2013
January 01, 2013, 08:33:40

I think that the following are going to come through in the Under 20 WC, the CC nd even in Super 15 and we may see some new faces in the Springboks as well:-

  *   Timo Swiel - the real ball sense wiz kid

  *   Jan Serfontein - top quality World class player

  *    Raymond Rhule - top future wing

 *     Pat Howard - speed and strength combined

 *     Paul Jordaan - the cleverest center in SA

 *     Damian de Allende - he has it all

 *     Jaco Reinach - this one is a future scrummie

 *     Wiaan Liebenberg - the real deal

 *     Ryno Elstadt - a hard player already - watch him in 2013 

 *     Arno Botha Watch him this year - top quality 

 *     Pieter-Steph Du Toit - combined with Etzebeth - the best future locks combination ever

 *     Steven Kitshoff - the real deal prop of the future

 *     Frans Malherbe - the one to watch

The following youngsters have already arrived:=

 *     Jaco Taute - the future miracle full back

 *     Pat Lambie - the real deal with brilliant rugby brain

 *     Johan Goosen -  Real star quality

 *     Marcell Coetzee - top player already

 *     Eben Etzebeth - the best lock in the world

As a team the above would beat most rugby teams in world rugby - so the present Springbok players must watch out - they are under serious threat from the above.   Wish they would play them in a trial match against the present Springboks and see what happens.   Without their present Juniors they may just get a whopping. 

 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2014, 08:46
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24 Sept 2014, 08:46#35
 Mozart
There is one thing about Pollard - this guy was born with a silver spoon in his mouth.   He was so lucky - you did not see him play last year.   If you did - you would have done such a fanatic demolision job on his character and rugby performance capacity on this board that some might have thought he was useless - especially if either Dave or myself said he is future Springbok materoial. 
By the way - you did not spot Pollard "first time around"  - you wrote about him after a game in April 2014 when he came off the bench for the Bulls.   That was not by a mile "first time around"  and even then you said he will have to wait until 2016 to be considered.    
Dave and I saw him in the 1012 JWC and thought he showed promise then.  However, he had very little playing opportunity in 2013 - bcause of the below-par Morne Steyn and the extremely poor Fouche.  He played Vodacom Cup and what we saw of him was not all that promising.  So let me repeat - this guy was lucky you did not see him play in 2013.     
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2014, 09:24
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24 Sept 2014, 09:24#36
 DMozart - the big liar
Let me get this straight.   I did not make that kind of predictions about most of the players you listed above.   You claim I posted that quotation you made above - but I am afraid it is fraudulent - I did not make a posting like the above.   In any event some of the players listed was not in the Under 20 category in 20123 anymore and were already playing senior rugby - so another piece of iutter BS<
The lies
Serfontein  - was rather ambivalent about him - never sai earlier he was a world class player.   Saffex went for me a couple of times about Serfotein.
Rhule - the outright liar at it again
Pat Howard - another outright lie
Wian Liebenberg  - another lie\\
Ryno Elstadt - never heard of this guy beofre,  Do you mean Reinhardt Elstadt. He was not an Under 20 player in 2013 and was around for years,   May have mentioned him as being better than Alberts - but that is not hard to be.
Damian de Allende - never played Under 20 rugby and I wrote about him about his performances in Super 15 this year.
Steven Kitshoff  - was never over-enthusiastic about this guy 
Jaco Reinach - Did not play for the Sharks in 2012 and did not see him play really before 2013
Taute - I never said that about Taute
The players I mentioned  favurably in the past - and with reason
Swiel,  Jordaan, Du Toit, Goosen, Coetzzee and Etsebeth. 
Just a question - if I write the above - why is my avatar and name not shown?     
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
24 Sept 2014, 16:01
#37
24 Sept 2014, 16:01#37

Ah Moffie what you fail to recognise is that because a clown like Meyer does not select a guy like Kitshoff it does not mean the lad will not make it. His omission speaks volumes for Meyer as a useless coach, and has nothing to do with the merits of the player.

 

Kitshoff is easily a test standard loosehead, he is better than any Oz or Kiwi loosehead tight now.  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2014, 17:18
#38
24 Sept 2014, 17:18#38
Okay OOm I can understand how you want to distance yourself, but as usual you accuse me of lying, whereas you are the liar. How would you like your crow served? Here is the full posting liar:
clevermike
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 13059The Youngsters for 2013
January 01, 2013, 08:33:40

I think that the following are going to come through in the Under 20 WC, the CC nd even in Super 15 and we may see some new faces in the Springboks as well:-

  *   Timo Swiel - the real ball sense wiz kid

  *   Jan Serfontein - top quality World class player

  *    Raymond Rhule - top future wing

 *     Pat Howard - speed and strength combined

 *     Paul Jordaan - the cleverest center in SA

 *     Damian de Allende - he has it all

 *     Jaco Reinach - this one is a future scrummie

 *     Wiaan Liebenberg - the real deal

 *     Ryno Elstadt - a hard player already - watch him in 2013 

 *     Arno Botha Watch him this year - top quality 

 *     Pieter-Steph Du Toit - combined with Etzebeth - the best future locks combination ever

 *     Steven Kitshoff - the real deal prop of the future

 *     Frans Malherbe - the one to watch

The following youngsters have already arrived:=

 *     Jaco Taute - the future miracle full back

 *     Pat Lambie - the real deal with brilliant rugby brain

 *     Johan Goosen -  Real star quality

 *     Marcell Coetzee - top player already

 *     Eben Etzebeth - the best lock in the world

As a team the above would beat most rugby teams in world rugby - so the present Springbok players must watch out - they are under serious threat from the above.   Wish they would play them in a trial match against the present Springboks and see what happens.   Without their present Juniors they may just get a whopping. 

 


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
24 Sept 2014, 17:20
#39
24 Sept 2014, 17:20#39
You are truly pathetic OOm, why anybody takes you seriously beats me.  
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Sept 2014, 17:51
#40
24 Sept 2014, 17:51#40
Mozart
OI could not remember that posting nearly two years a go - but now that you did post my avatar - I accept that one.
Read what I said in the item anyway - you pathetic old  Doos:-
"I think that the following are going to come through in the Under 20 WC, the CC and even in Super 15 and we MAY see some new faces in the Springboks as well"
I udeerline the last part - since it say clearly what I meant in respect of th e 2013 rugby season.   I spoke in the main of three Under 20 WC - the CC and Super Rugby - with some comments as to some players th at MAY go through to the Sprimgbok side.    Not one of the players did not play on Super 15 level last year - except for Swiel.   Some did in 2013 made the Springbok side as I predicted.
However, you are pathetic.  You talk a lot of crap and I am glad  you remined me of the above posting.  There were only two of those players that did not make the Super 15 side of their franchises - the rest all played on  Super 15 level and of the players mentioned 4 made the Springbok side.  
Hell - what an asshole and moron you are - rugby dimwit.         







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