Its all coming out now

Great site this:http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/12/04/breitbart-news-daily-ex-fbi-counterterrorism-agent-vast-majority-of-us-mosquesislamic-centers-part-of-jihadi-network/

On Friday’s Breitbart News Daily (6AM-9AM EST) on Sirius XM Patriot channel 125, former FBI counter-terrorism Special Agent John Guandolo argued that the “vast majority” of the 2,200 Islamic organizations, centers, and mosques in the United States are a part of a broader “Jihadi network” intent on imposing Sharia Law in America.

Guandolo told host and Breitbart News Executive Chairman Stephen K. Bannon that the San Bernardino terrorist, the UC Merced stabber, the Chattanooga shooter, and the Boston Bombers can all be traced back to such Islamic Centers where “they were supported and trained.”

Guandolo said that the San Bernardino terrorists attended the Islamic Center of Riverside, which he said was a “a Muslim Brotherhood Center.” He noted that the Boston Bombers attended the Islamic Society of Boston, which he said was a subsidiary of the Islamic Society of North America that was founded by an al-Qaeda guy who used to advise former President Bill Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore and is now in prison. !!!!!!!!!!

He said there are over 2,200 Islamic Centers and mosques in America and the “vast majority of them are a part of this network — they’re hostile.”

He said “over 75%” of these centers, based on their property records, are a part of the “Muslim Brotherhood network” since they are “owned by the North American Islamic Trust, which is the bank for the Muslim Brotherhood here.”

He said “in 2006, I put together the first training program inside the government on the jihadi network in the United States… and was able to sneak a second one in in early 2007.”

Guandolo trained “quite a number of agents from a variety of agencies,” including the Department of Justice, before the government shut down the programs. He mentioned that the “most prominent Muslim Brotherhood Organizations like the Islamic Society of North America, Muslim Public Affairs Council, and the Hamas organization called the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) — complained to the White House about the training inside the government at the FBI.”

Guandolo said he “came to understand very deeply the massive jihadi network we have in the United States” and discovered that “the leaders of the Islamic organizations… were actually interfacing with government leaders and advising them with how to proceed in the war on terror, as it was called.” (NO WONDER THINGS WENT SO BADLY"WRONG")

Guandolo realized that “we were being advised by the enemy on how to investigate and deal with the enemy” and “and that’s why I started the training.”

He mentioned that in the U.S. v. Holy Land Foundation case in 2008, a 15-year FBI investigation that was revealed demonstrated “that the most prominent Islamic organizations in America and North America are a part of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, the jihadi network here.” Guandolo said that “internal documents entered into evidence say that the purpose of this network is to wage civilization jihad… until the entire world, and specifically the United States, is under Sharia law and the Islamic State is established here.”

He said that, for instance, the “Islamic Society of North America (ISNA)—the largest Muslim Brotherhood organization here— is a Hamas funding entity” and its leadership works with the Secretary of State and the National Security staff, the previous four Secretaries of State, and briefs the FBI and CIA. He mentioned that the previous president of ISNA Mohamed Magid works “very closely with the White House and sits on the Homeland Security Advisory Committee with a secret clearance.”

Guandolo emphasized that these Muslim leaders are the ones that are working with the FBI, Pentagon, Department of Homeland Security, National Security staffs.

“Look at our policy for domestic terrorism… and you can track it back to these organizations,” he said, adding that “they write policy” and say “look, this is offensive to Muslims and this is how you need to do it, and we have done it.”

Guandolo said that it is “insane” that these leaders serve a liaisons “between the Muslim community and the U.S. Government.” (NOT IF YOU WANT aMERICA UNDER  sHARIA LAW - ITS VERY SENSIBLE AS OBAMA KNOWS)

“This is the kind of operation these guys are doing here,” he said.

Saying that he only speaks “with what I would walk into a court of law with” because there is “no issue with the amount of evidence” on the matter, Guandolo said the objective of the jihadi network is to “to establish an Islamic State under Sharia.” For instance, he said the Muslim Brotherhood’s own bylaws in English explicitly state that “they must fight the tyrants and enemies of Allah.”

He also said the one of the biggest mistakes in dealing with Islamic terrorism is that “we want to tie it to ISIS” or another group when this is “part of a much broader movement” and more “than one organization.” (NOTE THIS PLEASE)

“That network is not being touched,” he said. “That network in Paris that supported that attack is not being touched.”

More troubling, according to Guandolo, is that many authorities in the federal government are oblivious to the Jihadi network.

He said during one of his training sessions, someone who had been in the FBI and counterterrorism for over 14 years and was so angry that he “had never heard of the information you are putting out here.” When he asked others in audience from the FBI, Department of Homeland Security and other government agencies to “raise your hand if you knew this… zero hands went up.”

“That right there is the issue,” he said, adding that he has even briefed three- and four-star generals who had also been clueless. “They don’t know it.”

Guandolo said that even senior government officials have “no idea this is going on inside the United States because the people advising us are the leaders of the organizations—that per evidence in counterterrorism trials—have been identified organizations that are Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, al-Qaeda” who are “necessarily hostile to our system, our war fighting, our way of life. That’s the problem.”

Guandolo runs the understandingthethreat.com site and is the author of Raising a Jihadi Generation

THE MIND BOGGLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 Yes  (CTRL + C) exists. Enough already!

 As a muslim apologist you dont have must fight in you eh plump.  This is toooo easy. 
Its wonderful to see this all coming out. The ignorance re islam and its goals has been enormous. An unmasking is taking place and the wee leftists rabits and running scared like never before. 
Its a pity JW is  such an ignorant oak when it comes to geo politics. 
Beeno doing a superb job in educating the oaks and debunkibg the foolish muslim apologists! 

You are a very confused man.

I see, when people don't respond to your crazy posts you immediately assume what their perspective is and then provide a counter argument against your own idea of what their view must be in your mind.

You know there is a term for people who do this. It's a very technical one. You might not understand it, and do look it up if you like. It's called...CRAZY!

 Plum this wee mangina is revelling in his schadenfruede  about the deaths of those poor people because the killers were muslim ,which absolutely no one denied .His gloating over the massacre of innocents is sickening especially when you consider that he ignores the other 350 or so US gun massacres this year by non muslims .The planned parenting massacre was carried out by a christian but apparently thats ok in his lunatic world.Others may think hes funny or stirs up debate bur I just find him disgusting to the nth degree .

 
They should burn every mosque down to the ground and banish every low life M uslim from their land.

I would if I were running the show.

Gotta love the "christians" on this site!

 
Aaaaah .... turn the other cheek, huh?

The typical misconception.

Since when are Christians timid little mice trembling in a corner?

I can understand that the image beandip portrays doesn't flatter Christianity. We fortunately aren't all like him.

Ours is a violent world ... beset upon by demons and their human gimps right from the onset.

Of course we'll react accordingly!  

 

CC you can bet if Beenis was born into a Muslim family he'd have strapped some C4 to his chest by now. And he's not just a bad example of a Christian but a pretty poor example of a human. Wardad have we come to expect anything less from our friend? Haha he tries to paint anyone who disagrees with him ad.Muslim apologists. Kinda funny as I have categorically stated that I don't have much time for Muslims. But somehow, because we dont't condone innocent Muslims being slaughtered we are cowards and Muslim apologists. What he is saying really is that we should just kill every last one of them. Nice guy huh

 The only thing coming out is that "the USA has really gone to the dogs when Washington’s main allies in its war on Syria are the two biggest terrorist incubators on the planet. I’m talking about Saudi Arabia and Turkey (wahhabism and Muslim Brotherhood repectively), both of which are run by fanatical Islamic zealots backed by the USA and devoted to spreading violent jihad to the four corners of the earth."

This violent jihad is exclusive of the wahhabism and the Muslim Brotherhood. For the inmense majority of muslims this violent jihad is an heresy and they consider the jihad only as an internal fight (each muslim with himself to find the way of Allah).
This missconception of the jihad followed by 4 insanes 30 years ago has been spread by the main allies of the USA, Saudi Arabia, the other Gulf monarchies and Turkey  under the design (or at least the knowledge) of the USA to serve their own purpose of redesigning the map of the ME.
In Syria they needed a plan to topple a secular regime and bring the chaos without igniting antiwar demonstrations around the world and producing hundreds or thousands of US casualties.
So the think tankers came up with this plan to enlist the most violent Sunni militants that the CIA would fund, arm, train and deploy into Syria to shoot the place up, raise holy hell, and then topple the regime of Syrian President Bashar al Assad. 
Four and half years later the place is a mess like Afghanistan, Iraq, Lybia, South Sudan, Yemen,... or even worse. Half the population is either dead or internally displaced, the civilian infrastructure is a shambles and there's an endless war btwin countless factions.

The prove are those Pentagon papers produced by the DIA (Defense Intelligence Agency) declassified moths ago but published only recently by a mainstream media, the CBS:



In other post  you can find the video of retired Lieutenant General Michael Flynn, head of the DIA at that moment confirming the veracity of the documents and assuring that it was a "williful decision" to create and back the jihadist terrorist groups. There's also the video of US General McInerney assuring that the USA helped ISIS. Former General Wesley Clark confirmed also this theory.

 "when people don't respond to your crazy posts"Well plump unfortunatley for you these very sane views are on the rapid rise. Your daft leftist pro jihadist views are increasingly viewed with the contempt they deserve. 
The majority of muslims, the vast majority, believe the koran reflects the requirements of the moon god allah. These requirements for jihad are clealry spelt out. You never know who will next get active.So absloutley no the muslims are not peaceful by and large, they are require to commit jihad be the koran and their plan is very clear - world domiantion and all under sharia law. They are also allowed to lie to further the ends of allah etc.
The one positive out of all this is that they have caused great interest in islam and what it belives and how jihad operates etc. The interernet, which cannot be controlled by the now discredited left wing moroic media, is full of information as various people abd bodies raise their vocie and unmask islam. Peopel now are so much more aware of things and we have the good news of the rise of Donald Trump and Marine Le Pen. They will have to ship ALL muslims out of Europe and back to muslim countries where they can "enjoy" sharia law to their hearts content. NO we cant decend to their level and behead them etc. Just send the back to where they belong.Obama must go. An accord can then be reached with Russie and isis smatched. Then deal get on expelling the mulsims. It will take some time but will be worth the effort. India, China and japan are all on board so other than a  few sick hatters still sticking up for these guys they will be isolated by the world community
If the muslims are not sent packing America and Europe will become hell holes to live in with constant terror ataccks and lost lives of men, women and children - its that simple. Sharia law is the invitable result of what is currently taking place under daft liberal rule. One has to note though how Hollande has adopted NF policies. Too late to save his socialists though. Merkel too must get the boot ASAP.Time for a rant by you now who! 

Now we will have more laments from the muslim apologists/muslims here. However the silent majority is sick and tired of their nonsense and they are yesterdays men. What a bunch of halfwits!
Fact is they can bleat and complain as much as they want but action against jihadists is and will increasingly be taken. What we dont need however is liberal fops in power wringing their effeminate hands and drying their eyes on scented handkerchiefs! Bwahahhahahahahahahaha - Marine Le Pen and Marechal Le Pen are twice the men they are! Hahahahahahahaha. Menawhile Donald Trump just keeps wiping the floor with these half wits who are now in a compl ete froth! All their sacred idiocy being overtuned with such great ease.Hahahahahahhahahaha its hilarious to hear their consternation about Trump! 

 Obama must be impeached. I think Trump is going to nail him. Hillary will end up in the clink for her misdemeanours. 

 America is going the same way as SA. Stupid electorates elect stupid leaders. Trump is a big mouthed idiot with no integrity.  Clinton is slightly smarter but also morally bankrupt. Dark days ahead...start investing in canned food.

 Trump is the best presential candidate the yanks have had in living memory.Trump is an idiot. How silly can you get Draad. he is many times smarter than you for one.
Very astute guy with courage and vision. Clink is useless and just pending time before being sent to jail.

 Many a red herring been thrown up here and no comment about the jihadist network in the States. 
ou plump is trying to argue that condeming jihad is really not nice. Bwahahahhahahaha this oak is so confused. he cant tell right from wrong.Plump you need councelling.The disgust I have for the jihadists is practically universal. You represent the lunatic fringe. Talk about being bent!

 Beeno, being able to fool other idiots out of their money does not equates to being smart. There are people smarter than me in this world...lots, but there are not even one person twice as smart as mere me...let alone many yimes smarter. Trump is a major idiot, preaching to a crowd of bogger idiots...the Malema of America. If you can't see that,  you are either delusional or a bit soft in the head, and knowing you a bit, it's neither. Open your eyes and connect the dots...please.

 Mr. Been,

"The majority of muslims, the vast majority, believe the koran reflects the requirements of the moon god allah. These requirements for jihad are clealry spelt out."

you can't be more wrong, as always. As I said before, "This violent jihad is exclusive of the wahhabism and the Muslim Brotherhood. For the inmense majority of muslims this violent jihad is an heresy and they consider the jihad only as an internal fight (each muslim with himself to find the way of Allah).
This missconception of the jihad followed by 4 insanes 30 years ago has been spread by the main allies of the USA, Saudi Arabia, the other Gulf monarchies and Turkey  under the design (or at least the knowledge) of the USA to serve their own purpose of redesigning the map of the ME."

Besides this exponential rise of the jihadist terrorim promoted by the USA has affected mainly the own muslims, the non-jihadist muslims who are the vast majority of them.
According to the 2015 Global Terrorism Index the 78% of all deaths occurred in just five countries: Irak, Afghanistan, Nigeria, pakistan and Syria.
"The majority of deaths from terrorism do not occur in the West. Excluding the September 11 attack, only 0.5% of deaths from terrorism have occurred in the West since 2000. Including September 11, the percentage reaches 2.6.
Iraq takes first place in the index, with a shocking 9,929 terrorist fatalities in 2014"

From time to time the jihadist terrorism hits also the West (140 people killed in Paris and 14 in San Bernardino still to confirm that they are related to it) which suits perfectly the western leaders' agenda.
Their popularity skyrocket, they can apply control measures unthinkable otherwise, they can ban the political opposition activities (like they banned the demostrations during the Climate summit) and they can inflame the anti-mulim feelings (with the help of ignorant bigots like you) to involve their countries in the war without any opposition.

 Think again Draad. Huge projects done on time and under budget. Tremendous creativity and problem solving. Negoitiating skills etc etc. Able to build a winning team. Able to see the wood from the trees. Understands the need to get Russia on board. etc etc etc.He is a very smart guy who surrounds himself with the best. He is a winner. Nobody is matching him. FACT
Nobody can call Trump an idiot without it bouncing back on them. His achievements preclude that. Half bakes like rooitwit think him a fool but one takes tha tfrom whence it comes - hahhahahahahahaha
He has walloped his political opponents even though not a seasoned politician. He actually understands the American public far better than was first believed. He has forged his own way agaisnt huge politically correct andlieing mainstream media - who polls show are largely discredited in the eyes of the public but which have brain washed so many.
He stands on a number of issues which are plaguing America and which he addresses with sound common sense.Saying Trump is an idiot is nonsense. In fact I would think that Trump is making more sense to people as time goes by - certainly he keeps rising in the polls. He has faced down the politically correct twaddle again and again and those forcasting his demise have been made to look the fools.   

  OK, you cannot refute anything I said.
You are posting just BS-antimuslim propaganda.

 muslims and frienships with infidels. Makes interesting reading!Question:

Are Muslims allowed to be friends with Christians, Jews or other non-Muslims?

Summary Answer:

Unbelievers are described by Muhammad (in the Qur'an) as "the vilest of animals" and "losers."  Christians and Jews are hated by Allah to the extent that they are destined for eternal doom as a result of their beliefs.  It would make no sense for Muhammad to then recommend that they be taken as friends by Muslims.  In fact, the Qur'an plainly orders believers not to take unbelievers as friends.

The Qur'an:

Qur'an (5:51) - "O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people."

Qur'an (5:80) - "You will see many of them befriending those who disbelieve; certainly evil is that which their souls have sent before for them, that Allah became displeased with them and in chastisement shall they abide."  Those Muslims who befriend unbelievers will abide in hell.

Qur'an (3:28) - "Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah: except by way of precaution, that ye may Guard yourselves from them..."  This last part means that the Muslim is allowed to feign friendship if it is of benefit.  Renowned scholar Ibn Kathir states that "believers are allowed to show friendship outwardly, but never inwardly."

Qur'an (3:118) - "O you who believe! do not take for intimate friends from among others than your own people, they do not fall short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts conceal is greater still; indeed, We have made the communications clear to you, if you will understand."  This verse not only warns Muslims not to take non-Muslims as friends, but suggests that that the rest of the world is out to get them and can't be trusted.

Qur'an (9:23) - "O ye who believe! Choose not your fathers nor your brethren for friends if they take pleasure in disbelief rather than faith. Whoso of you taketh them for friends, such are wrong-doers"  Even family members are not to be taken as friends if they do not accept Islam.  (There are harsher interpretations of this verse.  The same (ninth) sura advocates"slaying the unbeliever wherever ye find them").

Qur'an (53:29) - "Therefore shun those who turn away from Our Message and desire nothing but the life of this world." (EG ATHEISTS!!)

Qur'an (3:85) - "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers."

Qur'an (3:10) - "(As for) those who disbelieve, surely neither their wealth nor their children shall avail them in the least against Allah, and these it is who are the fuel of the fire." Those who do not believe in Muhammad are but fuel for the fire of Hell (also 66:6, 2:24. 21:98).

Qur'an (7:44) - "The Companions of the Garden will call out to the Companions of the Fire: "We have indeed found the promises of our Lord to us true: Have you also found Your Lord's promises true?" They shall say, "Yes"; but a crier shall proclaim between them: "The curse of Allah is on the wrong-doers"  Muslims in heaven will amuse themselves by looking down on non-Muslims in Hell and mocking them while they are being tortured (see22:19-22.

Qur'an (1:5-7) - "Show us the straight path, The path of those whom Thou hast favoured; Not the (path) of those who earn Thine anger nor of those who go astray"  This is a prayer that Muslims are supposed to repeat each day.  "Those who earn Thine anger" refers to Jews; "those who go astray" refers to Christians (see Bukhari (12:749)).

 

From the Hadith:

 

Muslim (1:417) - Taken to mean that one's own relatives should not be taken as friends if they are not Muslim.

 

Muslim (2167) - "Allah's Messenger said: Do not greet the Jews and the Christians before they greet you and when you meet any one of them on the roads force him to go to the narrowest part of it."

 

Abu Dawud (41:4815) - "The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: A man follows the religion of his friend; so each one should consider whom he makes his friend."

 

Abu Dawud (41:4832) - The Messenger of Allah [said] "Do not keep company with anyone but a believer and do not let anyone eat your food but one who is pious."

 

Bukhari (59:572) - "O you who believe! Take not my enemies And your enemies as friends offering them (Your) love even though they have disbelieved in that Truth (i.e. Allah, Prophet Muhammad and this Quran) which has come to you."

 

Ishaq 262 - "Some Muslims remained friends with the Jews, so Allah sent down a Qur'an forbidding them to take Jews as friends. From their mouths hatred has already shown itself and what they conceal is worse"

 

Ishaq 252 - The story of a young man who converts to Islam after hearing Muhammad.  He then tells his own father that he can no longer have anything to do with him because, "I have become a Muslim and follow the religion of Muhammad."  (To maintain a relationship with his son, the father "converts" as well).  This is an important passage because it establishes that shunning is based merely on the status of non-Muslims as unbelievers, not on their behavior toward Muslims.  In this case, the father desperately loved his son and meant him no harm.

 

Additional Notes: 

Cultural superiority is a doctrine of Islam that actually has a name; it's called Jahiliyya -and literally means that any culture without Islam is "ignorant and stupid."  Stunning bigotry by Islamic scholars is so casual that it often goes unnoticed.  For example, a 2007fatwa responds to a question on whether Muslims can swim in a pool in which a non-Muslim has swam:

If the size of the public pool is more than 225 sq ft (20.9 m2) then it is considered a large body of water and will not become impure by non-Muslims swimming in it. If the pool is less then 225 sq ft (20.9 m2), then if the non-Muslim had taken a bath before swimming, the water will be pure since there is no impurity on him. If he did not take a bath before swimming and it is certain that there was impurity on him before he swam, then the pool is impure and all the water must be removed and refilled with clean water.

Even though they are explicitly kufr (unbelievers, Qur'an 5:17, 4:44-59) Jews and Christians are given special status in the Quran.  So, if Muhammad warned believers against taking them as friends, then it surely is not permissible for Muslims to befriend atheists or those of other religions. (hahahahahahahha and these stupid atheists act as muslim apologists so much of the time!!!)

 

Some Muslims interpret this to mean that they should not even act friendly toward nonbelievers; fortunately, many do not.  Islamic TV preacher Sheikh Muhammad Hassansays that a Muslim is not permitted even to smile at a non-Muslim.  A fatwa from Islam Q&A permits infidels to be dealt with "in a kind manner in the hope that they might become Muslim," but it warns Muslims against taking unbelievers as "sincere friends"  (The same site also encourages Muslims to "stop keeping company with Christians and replace them with Muslim friends").

 

The book, al-Wala' wa'l-Bara', by Shaykh Muhammad Saeed al-Qahtani, lists 20 "types of alliances" with unbelievers that are forbidden to Muslims.  These include "taking the disbelievers as friends," "trusting the disbelievers," "drawing near" to them and even living among them.

 

Some Muslims are embarrassed by verse 5:51 and go to elaborate lengths to modify its intent by interpreting the word "friend" as "guardian" or "protector" - which are two lesser translations of the Arabic word.  According to these apologists, the verse is referring to a Muslim's allegiance to a non-Muslim government (which is not all that comforting either). 

 

However, the word awliyaa is used in verse 5:51 instead of other words that would be more direct if the meaning were "protector" - such as hamin.  In fact, the politically correct translations that do use the word "protector" turn right around and use the word "friend" in other places for the same Arabic word - such as in verse 10:62. 

 

In fact, verse 10:62 proves that the word awliyaa truly means "friend" in the Quran and not "guardian" because it refers to associates of Allah (translated "friends of Allah").  If the word meant "guardian" then it would mean that Allah has guardians, which is blasphemy.

 

Apologists sometimes point to verse 60:8-9 which says that Allah doesn't necessarily forbid showing kindness to unbelievers, but to shun the ones "who warred against you on account of religion and have driven you out from your homes and helped to drive you out."  This is an obvious reference to the Meccans, whose leaders expelled Muhammad and his handful of followers from their city (following his declaration of war against them). 

 

The verse from Sura 60 was narrated shortly after the Muslims arrived in Medina, when it was necessary for the numerically disadvantaged Muslims to build alliances with non-Muslims in order to survive.  However, the other verses are from Suras 9 and 5 - narrated at a later time and under much different circumstances, when Muslims had power.  These verses expand the scope of unfriendliness to include anyone who is not Muslim.

 

Modern apologists such as Jamal Badawi try to cloud the straightforward interpretation of verse 5:51 by pointing out that Muslims are allowed to take non-Muslims as marriage partners, thus implying friendship.  In truth, verse 2:221 explicitly forbids Muslims from marrying unbelievers, even though verse 5:5 allows it (Allah's change of mind corresponded somewhat curiously with Muhammad's own desire to marry a non-Muslim woman).  Yusuf Ali reconciles the contradiction by saying that non-Muslims wives are "expected" to become Muslim.

 

In any event, only Muslim men are allowed to marry outside the faith.  The women they marry relinquish control over their own lives, even to the extent that they cannot teach their faith to their own children, who must be raised Muslim.  The non-Muslim woman also agrees to a lifetime of sexual servitude, and may be beaten if she does not submit.  

 

This certainly doesn't sound like friendship to the rest of us.  Moreover, if 'interfaith' marriage is about friendship between peers and not domination, then why are Muslim women banned from marrying non-Muslim men?

 

On the whole, Islam is very clear in teaching that there is no equality between believers and unbelievers, and hence no basis for friendship, which is a relationship between peers.  Those who do not profess Muhammad are intended to exist in subjugation to those who do,then spend eternity in Hell.  This does not preclude Muslims from acting friendly toward others, of course, but it does not constitute friendship as it is generally understood in the modern world.

 AB ASS AS A MUSLIM YOU ARE NO DOUBT embarassed by the facts being put forth. If this is the case leave islam although you could of course be murdered for doing do.
The principle of jihad is firmly established in the koran and is a requirement on muslims. I have posteed the relevant surahs on this website. The history of islam is one of jihad against one nation and the next. islam wants the whole world under sharia law. The treatment of infidels under sharia is shocking - beheading or full subjugation.Stop talking utter rubbish. Your blatant  lies, which your koran allows you to speak to infidels, have been exposed and will be even more exposed as time goes on - and action is now being taken. 
Its game up. You have been unmasked.  The atrocities of jihadists has caused folk to wake up to the peril they face. The world will get wiser a to islam as the months pass by. As things stand now who outside of muslim countries likes islam. Nobody. Many muslims are leaving islam.  Most become athiests because of the horrow of what they have been acquainted with. There are video clips of imans asking why so many are leaving islam. 
As Christains we are very comforted to know we are not required to do jihad on anybody. How horrible it must be to have to behead people and blow them up - how can you do it if you are a sane person. 
Christ himself with return and he will reign the wo rld He has made. At that point islam will cease to exist. Amen and Amen! 

 "AB ASS AS A MUSLIM YOU ARE NO DOUBT"

really? this is all you can argue?

the rest, as I said before, just BS-antimuslim propaganda.
Any islam-pundit can confirm that the jihad is an internal question for 3 of the 4 diferent schools of law existing in the sunism, Halafi, Maliki and Shafi'i which are what the inmense majority of the muslims follow. The 4th one, Hanbali, is the only one that contemplates the jihad as an external war.
This interpretation of the Islam was followed only by 4 mads in the Arabic desert until the Saud dinasty and the USA came to scene 40 years ago.

Only this nulifies the endless "cut and paste" that you are posting and nobody cares to read

 Still, the peacefull religion is responsible for the most violent sh1t ATM. Yes, we can't generalize,  but ignoring the obvious wont help either.

Untill a significant section of the Muslim community condems Jihad...every time there's an incident,  they are deemed to condone and actually sanction ing it. Simple really. 

 From USA Today

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/14/muslims-strongly-condemn-paris-attacks/75772102/

"Muslims worldwide on Saturday strongly condemned the terrorist attacks by the Islamic State that killed at least 127 people in Paris.

Shuja Shafi, secretary general of the Muslim Council of Britain, an umbrella body that represents more than 500 organizations including mosques, schools and charities, described the killings as "horrific and abhorrent."

"My thoughts and prayers for the families of those killed and injured and for the people of France, our neighbours," he said in a statement.

"This attack is being claimed by the group calling themselves 'Islamic State'. There is nothing Islamic about such people and their actions are evil, and outside the boundaries set by our faith." .... continues

 the quotes can be countless but here are some of them:

Time:
"Several Muslim religious and political leaders officially denounced the attacks before the group took responsibility, including Iranian president Hassan Rouhani, who called them a “crime against humanity,”
http://time.com/4112830/muslims-paris-terror-attacks-islam-condemn/

The Washington Post:
"Muslims and their supporters took to social media last night and this morning to condemn the deadly terror attacks in Paris and reiterate the difference between Islam and extremist dogma.
(...)
Muslim groups and countries widely condemned the terror attacks in Paris, and Muslims and supporters around the world took to social media to defend Islam as a nonviolent faith."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/14/how-muslims-around-the-world-condemned-the-paris-attacks/

Why would God create so many religions that are undemocratic? It seems they are all definitely right- which by implication makes the others definitively wrong. All other religions seem to go to some type of hell along with the non-believers. And we wonder why humanity has so many intolerances like racism. genderism etc., etc
Perhaps it is because humanity has evolved out of monkeys and we created God in our image- and wrote and edited our sacred texts accordingly. 

 Sharkbok, God did not create even one religion. ..that's man's doing. Jesus showed the way and His teachings has been perverted ever since.

 "....His teachings has been perverted ever since."
Thanks, that explains Beeno.

Sharkobok. Ask Beenis who invented the idea oh hell as pertains to his religion. The Jews themselves, and their holy book, which exists today almost exactly as it did when they first wrote it, say absolutely nothing about a hell that is an eternity of punishment and oblivion. In fact, hell is a place where you go to be cleansed before you go to heaven because if you didn't make all your bad deeds right before leaving earth then you need to be cleansed before you can enter the most high. They also don't believe in Satan as being a ruler of hell where you will burn blah blah. Satan is a fabrication by a bunch of people who came way after the old testament. According to the original and most valid writings, the Torah, "the Satan" actually works for God. He is one of God's angels and his role is to tempt you and make your life difficult. Translated, his name is, the challenger IE challenging man. He is NOT, as Beenis will have you believe, God's opponent who is determined to destroy humanity and who would kills us all if he could. But Mr Ignorant moron will tell you that this is all exactly what Satan wants you to believe. So, seems like the guys who actually wrote this book, original version, have a fundamentally different idea to Beenis. So it begs the question. If you are gonna believe, and considering the the gravity of the implications made, are you gonna believe the original...or are you gonna believe the highly edited and modified version where the story itself has been made so that it no longer has the same meaning as concerns vital role players and principals. So, people, totally unrelated to the Jews who wrote the old testament, took their holy book, added in a bunch of stuff to scare people...and boom two thousand years later idiots like Beeno spout it as truth. But he wont explain it to you. He'll sure as F cut and paste you to death with irrelevant facts though ;) I might find the motivation to completely unpack this bullscrap for Beenis, but i fear it would be a massive waster of time.

 
Lucifer is an Archangel that convinced a third of the angels to join him in war against the Living God.

He was cast out by Michael and has roamed this planet every since. Him and his accomplices.

He is by no means a helper of any sort. Not a friend of God.

His life's task is to corrupt man and in doing so hurt God.

With regards to Hell ... it's commonly known as a place of fire and torment which I believe to be false.

Jesus said that we are to fear Him who can separate our soul from our spirit. This is what would happen to you were you to land up in "hell" ... our spirit, which has been tainted by sin is cursed and rejected by God ... then forced to wander in a constant state of unrest for an eternity. Our soul is thrown into the darkness where we'll weep and gnash our teeth in an awful state of utter anguish ... completely alone ... much like solitary confinement ... where no-one hears our calls ...

Plum ... you believe what makes you happy. If believing that the devil and his accomplices are friends and helpers of God does it for you then by all means, enjoy.

If believing that there is no hell ... and in turn no consequences to the evil you do ... then by all means do as your heart desires ...

Good luck with that!!!

Hell is simply a place where God removes his presence. Those who dont want his Love and Grace live without it and make their abode a living hell.God says turn ye turn ye why will you perish! He has made a way. But the God haters will not come. They prefer the darkness to the light. The fight the goodness of God and end up depicting our holy and perfect God as Satan. We have seen that here on this board.
We are all to appear before the JUDGMENT THRONE OF CHRIST - that includes mohammed. We are warned that the soul that sins shall die. We are warned before we arrive at the Judgement that no man can justify himself on that day. Nobody. 
The only ones acceptable are those who admit they are sinners ask KING JESUS into the lives and receive a parden that Christ won on the cross for us. If they trample under foot this incredible reedeming work and do not want God in their lives they go to hell to enjoy each others company for ever. Given that the demonic angels and Satan himself will also be there it will not be pleasant to put it very lightly.Time is not yiour friend come to Christ while there is yet life in you. There is  no need for you to perish. Even very sad cases like ab ass, warped DUd and plump can be saved. Ye s God loves even them. Isnt He amazing!!!!!!!

CC i fully agree that people should be allowed to believe whatever they want. I really agree 100%.

But, being a logical person, i cannot understand how Christians are able to accept a religious work which is a massively modified copy of the original IE the Torah.

Ask a Jewish person about hell and Satan and you will see that they don't agree at all with the way Christians see it. The Jews are meticulous copiers and the Torah exists exactly as it did when they wrote it all those years ago in the desert. They never changed it, never changed any meaning and have followed it the same way since the beginning. Obviously some traditions have changed slightly, but the text is the same and thus, so is the narrative.

I'm going to make some assumptions here. I assume you believe the Old Testament was written by the Jews in the desert all those ears ago. That you believe Moses freed them from Egypt. The God you believe in is the same one they believe in. Then you believe what the Old Testament says about the Jews being God's chosen people. If you believe those things, then up to that point you agree with the Torah.

Now, if i think about some problems, for me, with the way Christianity sets itself up. The main one being that an all knowing God created humans with the full knowledge that many, actually the vast majority of them will go to hell for eternity and suffer. I struggle to see a creation of this kind having been carried out with love. To me, it smacks more of some kind of experiment. The mice who aren't fit shall be gassed.

The Jews believe that an all knowing all loving God created the universe and everything in it. Hell, to the Jews is a cleansing period. The pain one feels there is similar to the hot water in a washing machine that loosens the dirt(sins not repented for whilst on earth), so that the garment can be returned to it's original state and be fit to be returned to the cupboard ready to be worn(enter heaven), fresh and new. 

Compare those two ideas. Which one seems to you like a loving God. I really cannot escape thinking that the Jews original version makes more sense. A God who says, i have made you, now i will test you, then i will clean you and ultimately you will come back to me, to this place where you belong.

Which of the above two ideas is more open to exploitation by religious institutions? Think fear...and how fear is able to use manipulatively.

As concerns "the Satan". Does it not make more sense that he would be working for God? That he is the one who God uses to test you. To bring difficult times upon you and so on? No?

To me this raises another frequently asked question as concerns the way Christians believe. So, Satan hates god, right? But God is all powerful and could destroy Satan in an instant if he wished. Yet he allows Satan to do his thing here on earth...killing, cheating etc etc. And then people often ask why god allows this. To me, even in your version, Satan is kind of working for God, because without Satan, you would not have sin. There would be no test and ultimately everyone would go to heaven. Right?

I think that when the idea of "the Satan" was modified, the above is one of the philosophical problems which was not considered. In the Torah, the idea of Satan is perfect and makes sense, beginning to end. Though in the modified version there is issue after issue with the way he supposed to operate, his existence and his ultimate goal.

But again, lets compare the two versions. 

Which of those two is the most open to exploitation via the boogeyman under the bed method? Again, fear.

And a gain, the answer is the modified version.

Look, i am not bashing what you believe and i am trying to talk about it as opposed to flinging dirt. I would like to know how you think about this stuff. Also, were you aware before you read this that these inconsistencies existed? If not, then do you dismiss it out of hand or are you willing to, without necessarily reconsidering your position, explore it?

The problem is that when one tries to talk about this, i mean actually have a discussion with Christians, they never seem able to tell you how they feel about it. Two things normally happen. 1st They will quote the Old and New Testament...not the Torah, which does not get us anywhere because quoting doesn't give an answer since those answers are STRICTLY based on faith. 2nd They indirectly threaten, as you sort of did in your previous response. These threats are also mostly based on what your version of the book says...and not what the Torah says. So in both cases, it does not get us anywhere because, simply put, it's like answering the question of "Why?" simply by saying "Because."

So, then if it is ONLY a question faith where there is no possibility of a discussion then we have a problem. The problem being that talking from a position of faith, one expects people to simply listen. To accept answers simply "Because". This means that we then move from being secular with personal beliefs, to a position where we cross the "personal" line, by preaching to others but then when questioned we move back into the "personal" space and say "Because it's what i believe". Kind of a best of both worlds scenario? Do you see what i'm getting at? I suppose, ultimately, a choice has to be made. Either one wants a secular society, or you don't. But being on the fence seems unfair and, no offense intended, but arrogant.

Again. Nothing of substance Beenis. No answer to any questions. The truth is you can't answer them. No, if I were you I'd day somethig like this... Beeno getting schooled. Run rabbit d1ck...RUN!

Many religions have their own Messiah- but which one is right? If you accept one- do you reject all others. 
Why is Jesus- the King of the Jews rejected by most Jews as the Messia?
Answer: The Jews rejected Jesus because He failed, in their eyes, to do what they expected their Messiah to do—destroy evil and all their enemies and establish an eternal kingdom with Israel as the preeminent nation in the world. 

------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------One thing that most religions have in common is that their belief is 100% true- 
Which by implication makes all other beliefs 100% wrong. It is not a libertarian view of reality. 
Moses believed that the Egyptians all prayed to Ball- therefore, evil and went to hell. (Does this still apply in 2015?).
Reading text excerpts from various religions seem like very primit ive discourse laced with political views that are not constitutional in many countries in the world.

 
Plum ... you've obviously given this some serious thought and that in itself is encouraging as it shows your not prepared to swallow whatever's been dished up on a spoon.

I'm the same. It's caused me much grief.

The first 5 books of the old testament was written by Moses ... obviously under the influence of the Holy Spirit ... as his life began much later than that of Abraham etc..

Yes the Old Testament and the Torah are the same ... or so I'm told, never having read the Torah myself.

You must bear in mind that most Christians would tell you of their loving God ... but not of the cruel awful side to the very same God ... the same God and Father of Jesus Christ ... who forced His people to eat their children because of sin.

God has a personality like you and I and He can at times get seriously pissed off. The Bible is full of what He's done when in that state of mind. It's not pretty. They won't teach you these things cause it'll scare you off.

In truth, He's not your friend ... nor your pal ... you cannot dictate to Him ... He will never change who He is or how He does things ... no matter how confusing they are ... He is set in His ways ... He is the top banana ... the main dude ... there are none like Him ... He is subject to no-one ... to nothing ... even time doesn't dictate to Him ... He is beyond everything we know ... He is God and He'll do as He pleases and I'm convinced that He loves us.

Now the question is ... what are you gong to do about it?

You have a choice. You can either accept this awful God ... who has incredible traits of kindness and gentleness ... who can prosper you in ways that'll blow your mind ... or you can reject Him.

Either way ... you my friend will receive a reaction from Him. Like it or not.


Anyway ... the "Christians" deliberately try to promote Him to you by telling you only certain things ... many will even lie by claiming incredible personal experiences with Him ... and they do this to either try and impress you ... show you how holy they are ... or to try confirm His existence.

It's an easy thing to study the word of God and to quote it word for word at prayer meetings or even on this forum ... but to live your life in the Spirit is a whole different issue.

Take Beandip as an example ... he'll throw scripture at you all day long ... never listening to any of your questions or even caring about how you are with God.

It's more important to him to show you up as a chump ... a sinner destined for hell, than try guide you to a better understanding of it all.

That is what's called living by the "letter" of God ... not by the Spirit.

You can easily spot these types by their fruit. Matthew 7 speaks of it. The fruit of the tree shows you who they are ... 

Those living their lives by the letter tend to be self righteous ... unaware that they're the very ones who Jesus referred to when He said "get away from me, I do not know you" ...

I must say your view points of Satan being God's helper is a little concerning. Same goes for what you think hell is about. Can you perhaps tell me where you saw this in the old testament?

This is not a game. The life we live in the physical is but a pi$$ in the ocean compared to what lies beyond.

Personally I think it's best we prepare for it as best we can ... and not throw our hands up in the air dismissing it as nonsense just because someone else said it is.

Have you ever heard the song "By the Rivers Dark" by Leonard Cohen? Try to find it and tell me what you think.

 
  

CC I'm not big on copy and paste but here is a good explanation of the way Jews view Satan. If you are interested I'd suggest you do your own research on how the idea of Satan came to be, and how it was changed until it eventually came to be that people today view him as the dark and evil ruler of the underworld who hates humanity and God. Don't just take my word for it, haha not that I think you will. None of what is below denies the existence of God in any way. That's not what I'm trying to do. The Parashah for this week falls in D’varim (Deuteronomy). In this fifth and final book of Torah in its narrow sense, Moses gives three longish lectures to the Israelites that retell their history from the time they left Egypt until that time – Remember: Moses is about to die – when they are about to march into the promised land – Canaan or, as we have come to call it, Eretz Ysrael. Moses also restates many of the laws the Israelites have been told to follow, and he reminds them of how well, or more accurately how poorly, the people have responded to God’s wishes. Moses is not easy on his people. He recalls their continual backsliding, their reluctance to obey the laws, their apparent readiness to follow false leaders, their lack of trust in God. On the one hand, he rails at them (9:24): “As long as I have known you,” he says, “you have been defiant toward the Lord.” On the other, he insists that they can do better (30:11-14): “Surely, this instruction which I enjoin upon you this day is not too baffling for you, nor is it beyond reach. It is not in the heavens, that you should say, ‘Who among us can go up to the heavens and get it for us’ . . . No, the thing is very close to you, in your mouth and in your heart, to observe it.” Note that at no place in any of the entire three lectures does Moses attribute the failings of the Jewish people to any evil empire, to any external force, to anything but their own personal and communal weakness. Had some Israelite child been seen with a T-shirt with the message, “The devil made me do it,” no one would know what it meant. Judaism is, along with Islam, absolutely monotheistic, and there is simply no room in our belief system for any cosmic being other than God. This absence of looking elsewhere for blame is remarkable, and it is the focus of my d’var today. In other hands and in later years, the all-too-easy need to assign blame led to the concept of Satan, and to the notion that there are powers close to, if not quite equal to, those of God that can take over the thinking and the actions of human beings in order to oppose the true path, God’s way. From that position, it took only a few more steps for early Christians to identify Jews as the agents of Satan and to initiate what became two millennia of anti-Semitism. But I am getting ahead of my story. Let’s start with the Hebrew Bible, the Tanach as it is called in Jewish literature. What role does Satan play in our Bible? The first appearance of the root word s-t-n (???) is not as an individual at all, but as a verb meaning to hassle or oppose. In the story of Bilaam and the talking donkey, which we read a couple of weeks back, the donkey keeps shying away from the path because he can see an angel with a sword in the path to oppose him – “le-satan-lo.” The word is used elsewhere, most commonly as a noun “meaning an adversary who opposes and obstructs” (Ency. Jud; Satan) but in some places as a verb with respect to prosecution in a court of law (Ps. 109:6). There are only three times where Satan as an individual turns up in the Tanach, and all are late in the Biblical period. Satan’s most famous appearance occurs in the the story of Job. If you recall that wonderful book, Satan appears to act as God’s prosecuting attorney with the role not just to look for misdeeds on earth but to try to see if people (not just Jews; there is no indication that Job was Jewish) could be tempted into cursing God. However, and this is a big “however,” Satan did so only with God’s permission. Satan’s other two appearances are a bit ambiguous. In one instance, the prophet Zechariah refers to the satan (????) as creating divisions between the Jews who had returned to Eretz Ysrael from Babylon and those who had never left (Zech: 3:1-2). In another, the author of Chronicles laid blame on the satan for inducing King David to take a census of the people when it had not been authorized by God (1 Chron. 21:1). In these two cases, Satan seems to have some independence of action, but he is still an angel and certainly no match for God. To quote from Elaine Pagel’s wonderful book, The Origin of Satan (New York Random House, 1995; p. 39): “As he first appears in the Hebrew Bible, Satan is not necessarily evil, much less opposed to God. On the contrary, he appears . . . as one of God’s obedient servants.” Most post-Biblical Jewish literature pays little attention to Satan though the term occasionally appears to refer collectively to the forces of evil. There are scattered references to Satan in the Talmud, and in the classical Midrash, most often in aggadic comments about his role in tempting or accusing human beings. For example, Satan is given credit for the golden calf by telling people that Moses would never return from Mount Sinai (Shab 89a) and for David’s adulterous affair with Bathsheba (Sanh 107a), among other places noted in Encyclopaedia Judaica. The liturgy in Orthodox prayer books still contains a few vague references to a satan, but they have been excised from the siddurim of most other denominations. Before I go on, let me step back and be clear that there are plenty of references to mythological beasts and other cosmic forces in the descriptions of the enemy tribes and of idolatrous practices. However, I think we can take these references as examples of metaphor and other literary devices. Whether or not the authors believed that these creatures existed, the beasts never have any specific role except to represent the bad guys, and they certainly do not try to take over human souls. It is only after the Biblical period and at the time of the Roman wars that we begin to hear of a bigger and more independent role for Satan. This was the time when the once reasonably united Hebrew people began to face schisms that drove wedges between one group of Jews and another, and that eventually led to one group breaking away completely to create Christianity. Jews were fighting one another at least as much as they were fighting external enemies. Some of the differences were political rather than theological, but the two overlapped. To the extent that any one group wanted to find a way of compromising with the Roman powers, it was charged with promoting assimilation – walking in the ways of the nations, as it was commonly described – rather than being on God’s side. At the extreme, some of the dissident groups began to suggest that cosmic forces were at work. To quote Pagels again (p. 47): “More radical than their predecessors, these dissidents began increasingly to invoke the satan to characterize their Jewish opponents; in the process they turned this rather unpleasant angel into a far grander – and far more malevolent – figure. No longer one of God’s faithful servants, he begins to become what he is for Mark and for later Christianity – God’s antagonist, his enemy, even his rival.” In the extreme, and in the only case where a Jewish group with this world view gained any prominence, the Essenes created a whole theology built around a conflict between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness. It goes without saying that they saw themselves as Sons of Light, and they saw other Jews as Sons of Darkness, consigned only to damnation. So from the above, which again, I think you should verify for yourself, we get a different picture. A picture of the Jews, their inherent human weakness and their relationship with God. Satan is by no means a a focus. He makes very few appearances and is not referenced frequently at all. Yet, the way you and i were taught as kids is that Satan is always there, he hates us, and he would destroy the world in an instant if he could. But this idea is a development which came much later, upon modification of the scriptures. Yeah, i know Beenis will say something like " Satan best trick is to make us think he doesn't exist." I have no answer for that.

Monsiuer Plum .It is a well known fact that hell is being stuck in a room with beendik for eternity unable to strangle the little squeezer to shut him up .And no drugs or rugby to deaden the horror .

 
Well Plum ... after reading your lengthy contribution ... and based on how convinced you are, that what you've posted is all true, I seriously doubt I'd stand a chance of redirecting your thought to any alternatives.

It seems well and truly rooted within you. In fact I would go as far as to say that the seed you've planted has already produced several crops and to uproot that forest would be near on impossible.

You have crossed referenced your findings from many different sources and it sounds like a blended concoction all mushed together to produce this.

A poisonous hybrid of sorts.

I decided way back in the 90's that I would not allow any outside influences in ... believing that it would dilute what I know as the truth. It would sow seeds of doubt and confusion and I would be left with a hybrid of beliefs that would poison me and leave me in a similar state as you ... confused, lost, godless ... with a thousand questions that could never be answered because of all the contradicting theories.

By doing what you've done, you have absolutely done yourself a big disservice.

I looked for God and He allowed me to find Him. I took Him at His word and never tired to prove Him a liar. Never searched for contradicting theories, knowing full well that the enemy would use that to destroy any potential relationship with the Living God.

I'm sorry to say this Plum, but I can't help you. I don't think anyone can.

The only way is for you to hit the reset button and start again ... sadly we both know that remnants of what you allowed in will always taint any additional teachings.