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Ole Cruz/Tomas

Started by clevermike153 REPLIES5,920 VIEWS· 15 Jan 2014, 06:00
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Jan 2014, 06:00
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15 Jan 2014, 06:00#1

Tomas


I saw a posting of yours on Mattfield.   It is nice to see you back and we are all guessing about what happened to you.   It ranged from the girls on Clifton Beach to where you are going.  


First of all - may you have a wonderful year and a bright rugby year in 2014.   We are following your career with much interest.   Sasue posted an article stating that you are joining Racing Metro Club in France.


I was hoping to see you playing Supper Rugby this year - what happened to the possibility of joining he Chiefs?  


You should rather come and play in SA - I am sure you would be welcomed by one of the local franchises.   LOL    

JW
Just_winCaptain18,570 posts
15 Jan 2014, 06:27
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15 Jan 2014, 06:27#2
It would be good if Mattfield could pass on some of his knowledge and methods of preparation to the young locks. Good for SA rugby but not so good for NZ rugby, lol
I have the feeling a lot of what he did cannot be passed on though, it was natural ability so no real worries there.
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
15 Jan 2014, 06:52
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15 Jan 2014, 06:52#3
 Hate to burst your bubble Mike but I have serious doubts that Ole Cruz is actually Tomas Lavanini
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
15 Jan 2014, 06:57
#4
15 Jan 2014, 06:57#4
". . .I have serious doubts that Ole Cruz is actually Tomas Lavanini"

Any particular reason, poi-e?
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Jan 2014, 09:13
#5
15 Jan 2014, 09:13#5

poi-e


Why?   

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bluebokPro3,977 posts
15 Jan 2014, 12:12
#6
15 Jan 2014, 12:12#6
I am pretty certain Ole cruz is Tomas, when he first started posting a while back, he had an intimate knowledge of the under 20 Argentinian team. As far as i could fathom, stuff that had not or would not have been published . He also mentioned his involvement in the Chiefs team a long before there was any mention of it officially. Also, his absolute understanding of rugby is indicative of someone professionally involved in the sport. 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
15 Jan 2014, 12:20
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15 Jan 2014, 12:20#7


bluebok

Status: Bok regular
Posts: 1101 RE: Ole Cruz/Tomas
January 15, 2014, 12:12:10 I am pretty certain Ole cruz is Tomas, when he first started posting a while back, he had an intimate knowledge of the under 20 Argentinian team. As far as i could fathom, stuff that had not or would not have been published. He also mentioned his involvement in the Chiefs team a long before there was any mention of it officially. Also, his absolute understanding of rugby is indicative of someone professionally involved in the sport. 

Nahh. Not true. There are a few on here who are not professionally involved in the sport, who also claim to have an absolute understanding of rugby...

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
15 Jan 2014, 12:23
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15 Jan 2014, 12:23#8
Bluebok, Ole Cruz also put up a rather obscure video of an interview he'd had which was pretty up to date.

I'd like to know why poi-e is so skeptical because if Ole Cruz is just someone pretending to be Tomas Lavanini then he's going to an almost incredible amount of effort!
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bluebokPro3,977 posts
15 Jan 2014, 12:33
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15 Jan 2014, 12:33#9
That is pretty much my point Rooi.
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
15 Jan 2014, 14:08
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15 Jan 2014, 14:08#10
i would be interested in why poi e would think that too.

i too believe that oloecruz is tomas, and was also skeptical at the time, as dual identities was a bigger problem then the mole infestation that we are currently facing, it was during that classic time when brother beeno got busted as storminged,
LMFAO,

the one information which olecruz shared which really had me convinced was the one where crudz spoke a little spanish. i cant remember where i had heard or read this before, but i had known about that before tomas mentioned it and have not been able to find any reference on that little tid bit anywhere online, :o)
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
15 Jan 2014, 16:27
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15 Jan 2014, 16:27#11
 Well we could always ask him on Facebook and settle it (not hard to find his account).  His profile picture on here is available from google, as is the ESPN video of his interview, but his grammar and sentence structure is very much like what I've seen from other 'posters' on here....happy to be proved wrong, and will apologise if I am, certainly not definitive evidence by any stretch.  
I also find it strange that a 20 year old Spanish speaking pro rugby player whose just signed for racing metro and moved to Paris would post on this board...in fact it would be the first instance of any pro rugby player that I know of openly posting in this fashion, I know Brian Moore has posted on planet rugby once in a blue moon but that's about it.
Just my suspicion.
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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
15 Jan 2014, 17:46
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15 Jan 2014, 17:46#12
Poi-e, I am pretty certain it is ole Cruz. I have read his posts and he clearly has more knowledge of the game than any of us. 
He is a rugby fanatic just like the rest of us, and this board has lots of rugby fanatics. 

Ole Cruz you should be looking to sign with the Sharks. The Chiefs is just netball stuff and they would have turned you into a fetcher or inside centre link player and not a real lock that bullies in the tight phase of the game!



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jan 2014, 17:58
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15 Jan 2014, 17:58#13
It would be the all time sting if it wasn't true. 
OL
OleCruzRookie44 posts
15 Jan 2014, 18:30
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15 Jan 2014, 18:30#14
 First off, I joined this board in mid 2012, back when I was still an amateur player in my Club, and had not had any kind of contact with professional Rugby whatsoever.

So, you think I'm one of the other posters here...


Bueno, parece que hasta tengo que presentar evidencia de quién soy o qué hago para que me crean y pueda contribuir y participar en éste foro tranquilamente. Sólo soy alguien a quien le gusta mucho el Rugby -- mi condición actual de jugador no se antepone a la de amante de éste deporte. No me interesa llamar la atención, ni nada. Sólo quiero transmitir lo poco que sé, y aprender de las diferentes visiones y perspectivas que hay en éste foro, como en tantos otros. Está en Ustedes el creerme o no.

And no -- Google Translate won't give you that kind of performance.

EDIT: I have NOT moved to Paris yet. Contract kicks off in June. 'Til then, I remain attached to my club. Among other things.
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Jan 2014, 18:42
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15 Jan 2014, 18:42#15
Actually Ole I have always assumed you were the real Tomas. But to the extent that posters have doubts, it's really a compliment to the man vs the cyber man. That said I enjoyed your thoughts on Victor. 
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
15 Jan 2014, 20:03
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15 Jan 2014, 20:03#16
 Are you accepting new friends on Facebook Tomas?
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Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
15 Jan 2014, 20:09
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15 Jan 2014, 20:09#17
@olecruz,

welcome back ole, for the record i do believe u are tomas and u cant blame poi e for being skeptical either, as dual identities have been rife here for the past year.

i do have a few questions if u dont mind, what happened to u and the chiefs???

a few days ago by chance i was reading an article about a chiefs lock matt symons and happened to peek at the chiefs squad with ur name conspicuously absent.
i then googled around and found an article which i posted under the title olecruz update!!!

anyway, its good to see around and hope u make more appearances as ur two cents is held in the highest regard.

wish u all the best with ur rugby career, and i guess most of us here now have a legitimate reason to watch NH club rugby, especially with racing metro the new unofficial sarugby.com club, at least it will be in june, lolz, :oP
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
15 Jan 2014, 20:12
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15 Jan 2014, 20:12#18
@sharkbok,

"Ole Cruz you should be looking to sign with the Sharks."

not a good idea as i think tomas is fond of winning like most people,
MD
Monkey D LuffyPro6,277 posts
15 Jan 2014, 20:12
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15 Jan 2014, 20:12#19
@sharkbok,

"Ole Cruz you should be looking to sign with the Sharks."

not a good idea as i think tomas is fond of winning like most people,
PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
15 Jan 2014, 23:48
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15 Jan 2014, 23:48#20
 Well just sent you a message on FB Tomas, it will go into your 'other' folder as we're not connected.  I'll wait to hear back, all the best.
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
16 Jan 2014, 01:42
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16 Jan 2014, 01:42#21

 Poi-e, I have always been sceptical of Ole Cruz's authenticity as well but for only one reason........he has an incredible knowledge of the English language and grammar and throws in sayings like "first off" which would never be used by anyone who has English as a second language. Hell, he writes better than anyone on this site! That's what made me smell a rat!

I'm happy to be proven wrong Ole but please explain how you know English so well without even a hint of a grammatical error??

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jan 2014, 06:07
#22
16 Jan 2014, 06:07#22

 moolaa


Tomas's father owns a house in Clifton near Cape Town and he has close ties with SA - he spents time in the Cape and has ties when many younger players in SA.   T hat may explain his abilities to handle the English language.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
16 Jan 2014, 09:50
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16 Jan 2014, 09:50#23
 He was on the bench . v. Bokke probably, in part, with his ability to speak Afrikaans .

Probably had some schooling here, CBC Green Pt  maybe .
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poi-ePro1,044 posts
16 Jan 2014, 19:58
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16 Jan 2014, 19:58#24
 Hi Toma's, just checking to see if you got the message I sent you on Facebook, just a reminder it will be in your ' other' folder...
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
16 Jan 2014, 20:11
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16 Jan 2014, 20:11#25

 Thanks Mike but as most Saffas on this site have English as their second language it would be hard for you guys to pick up on the things I have. Even if Tomas has spent time in SA, he wouldn't express himself the way he does unless English is his first language........ or he's the finest English language student that ever lived!

That's what makes me wonder.

 

PE
poi-ePro1,044 posts
18 Jan 2014, 16:04
#27
18 Jan 2014, 16:04#27
 That's awesome bob, good to see he's doing something after 'Boy'
Tomas, guess I'm not going to get that reply, have you forgotten your Facebook credentials?
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generaltitPro3,164 posts
18 Jan 2014, 16:28
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18 Jan 2014, 16:28#28

it seems that good worthy and sincere posters get put off from posting and commenting...because of stupid comments and mutt -like behaviour and lack of culture or manners...2 good posters were Tomas himself (indeed a gem to have on any post) and that African guy in Ireland (Nyanga)...also a very polite and decent guy that knows a bit about this game.

 

Tomas please overlook these arse-holes...there are a lot of genuine posters here...some jokers like myself who have never grown up but enjoy and respect heros like you who are pleasant ordinary guys that enjoy this game without thrombotis.

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poi-ePro1,044 posts
18 Jan 2014, 19:31
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18 Jan 2014, 19:31#29
 Pull your head out of your ass pal, I questioned the authenticity of the poster and merely trying to establish whether this is yet another multi clogging up the board...somehow I doubt we'll hear from Tomas Lavanini again, simply because...well he didnt reall y appear to be the real Tomas Lavanini...
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
18 Jan 2014, 19:53
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18 Jan 2014, 19:53#30
 Poi-e, I do think Tomas is legit, but I also think this Chabal character is a massive arsehole who doesn't really understand context and the closest he gets to sex is beating off while staring at Cloudy's latest avatar because unlike his usual sexual experiences, it involves somone else.
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moolaaPro2,380 posts
18 Jan 2014, 21:52
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18 Jan 2014, 21:52#31
 Tomas is legit but Ole Cruz' continued silence raises my scepticism even further!
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jan 2014, 22:04
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18 Jan 2014, 22:04#32
 Well I for one will continue to believe he's genuine............. if not, then its been a superb con job .
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jan 2014, 22:13
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18 Jan 2014, 22:13#33
 
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OleCruzRookie44 posts
04 Feb 2014, 05:19
#34
04 Feb 2014, 05:19#34
 Sasuke -- long story, but basically, one player that was bound overseas did not leave the team, and then there were issues with international game requirements. I'm currently attached to Pampas XV, and having completed our training sessions this week, we're close to flying out to Australia for the Pacific Rim Cup. Then I must report to RM92, provided I do not get selected for the June Internationals.

Poi-e -- I have a better idea. Why don't I just give you my phone number and we talk "personally"? Not joking.

Moola - I WISH I could speak English that well. I attended a bilingual school (quite common over here), so my grasp of the English language might be above average. That, and having spent several summers at the Cape (speaking mainly English and a VERY rudimentary Afrikaans) probably kicked it up a notch. Took some French classes as well, but I never really picked up on it. Huge mistake.



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poi-ePro1,044 posts
04 Feb 2014, 07:26
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04 Feb 2014, 07:26#35
 Yeah because replying from your official facebook account would be too hard - why don't you just post the message I sent you, would clear things up nicely, until then, sorry you're just another multi, created by the same user that is running by my count at least 5 other multi s on this board.  
Funny for someone with such a superb grasp of English not a single public post in English on your facebook page.

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nukefreekiwiClub Pro441 posts
04 Feb 2014, 08:15
#36
04 Feb 2014, 08:15#36
 @ poi-e. 
 LOL! Cleverly played there bro. I was happy to give Mr Cruz the benefit of the doubt up until now. That slippery little dodge where a phone call is somehow more convincing than simply accepting a FB friend request (or posting the contents of that message here on the board)  sealed it for me. 
No doubt some of the forums swooning "rugby connoisseurs" felt validated when their opinions were acknowledged and endorsed by a bona fide i nternational Test player. LOL! Thats gotta be a blow to the old ego. 

 
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OleCruzRookie44 posts
04 Feb 2014, 15:23
#37
04 Feb 2014, 15:23#37
 Right, because owning an Argentine phone line and having a video-conference face to face is less convincing.


Sorry, but this is a bridge too far.


I joined this forum in mid 2012 to share, learn and discuss all things Rugby. I did NOT join this forum to spend one minute of my free time validating myself, or following some random gentleman's quest to dish out evidence of who I am. Nor did I join to explain in detail how or why my command of the English language is above average (guess being a porteño renders me incapable of embracing a different language other than my own).

The second something like a forum steers away from being a place to discuss stuff (regardless of the classic banter between nations / provinces / teams), it's just not fun anymore.

I had some fun here, learnt a lot too.

Farewell guys. Best of luck this year.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Feb 2014, 15:40
#38
04 Feb 2014, 15:40#38

 Tomas


Like any forum there are bad and good elements - Unfortunately there are some members who never ever makes a rugby contribution but thrive on personal attacks and smears and poi-e is a leading one in that.  


Your departure will be a massive loss on this site and I am very sorry to see you go.  I am a great admirer of your knowledge of the game and your attributes and hope you keep at least in contact.   If you ever see your way clear to phone me - I will indeed be honoured - my phone number is +270325544041.


I wish you well in your playing career and hope you have a wonderful and rewarding life.



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poi-ePro1,044 posts
04 Feb 2014, 16:05
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04 Feb 2014, 16:05#39
Quelle Surprise, so rather than click one button on Facebook and accept a friend request you'd flounce from the board, nevermind we have your 6 other personas to keep us company.  
Good luck with the phone call Mike you fucking simpleton.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
04 Feb 2014, 16:18
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04 Feb 2014, 16:18#40

The worst elements on this Board are those who thrive in personal attacks on  members and bring nothing of rugby value to the Board.    I understand that sbs,com closed down because of exactly that - so now you come and spread poison here.


Until you contribute something constructive on this Board my advice to you is piss off - you ignorant and useless bastard.     

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