The CC final is over, so its time to turn our attention to the EOYT.......my starting Bok side and bench would be:
15. Willie 14. JP 13. JJ 12. Serfontein 11. Habana 10. Lambie 9. v/Zyl 1. Beast 2. Bismark 3. Jannie 4. Etzebeth 5. PSDT 6. Kolisi 7. CJ Stander 8. Vermeulen
16. Strauss 17. Coenie 18. Malherbe 19. de Jager 20. Coetzee 21. Kockott 22. Goosen 23. Frans
Wrong Dave here is the Rugby 365 ratings....and there's JJ the second lowest rated Bok back, along with Morne. And this guy Quinton has been a nut case about this flimsy centre, just like you.
He stepped one player in 5 games and you are writing a book about it. Meantime he gave away three tries.
Player ratings: Pride and passion
Sat, 05 Oct 2013 14:55PrevNext
De Villiers solidifies legacy with sterling performance
The Springboks showed remarkable grit and determination in the 27-38 loss to the All Blacks in the epic Ellis Park showdown on Saturday.
The match was billed as the game of the year and exceeded the hype with the Springboks throwing everything at their great rivals.
The Boks’ all-or-nothing mentality – knowing they needed a bonus-point victory to wrestle the Rugby Championship trophy from the All Blacks’ grasp – and the heart and passion they displayed played a major role in making the Rugby Championship decider a battle for the ages.
Fittingly, no-one embodied the pride and passion of Springbok rugby more than inspirational captain Jean de Villiers, who solidified his legacy with a sterling performance.
Quintin van Jaarsveld rates the Springbok players.
15 Zane Kirchner
His crucial mistake (kicking out on the full) ended up costing the Springboks the Rugby Championship but his overall performance was one of good attack and poor defence. Injected himself into the action like never before with 11 power runs in the first half alone and seven in the second but missed too many tackles.
6/10
14 Willie le Roux
Constantly asked questions with his attacking flair. His unpredictability made him a darling for the Boks and a nightmare for the All Blacks. Like Kirchner, though, he was poor on defence, missing four tackles.
7.5/10
13 JJ Engelbrecht
Not a bad outing by any means but his inexperience showed. Stepped a number of would-be defenders and put his outside backs into space with well timed and accurate passes.
6.5/10
12 Jean de Villiers (captain)
One of the best performances of his career in which he epitomised the heart of a champion and the will and desire to win. Showed dogged determination – highlighted by his fantastic try – and consistently penetrated the All Black midfield with his strong running.
9/10
11 Bryan Habana
Absolutely electric and devastating. His second try was one of the best of his record-breaking career and he was well on his way to a famous hat-trick before he limped off. Some ordinary defence on Ben Smith cost him a higher rating.
8.5/10
10 Morné Steyn
Given the expansive approach, Steyn cannot be criticized for not dictating terms. He got the backline away but was a bit predictable, making just three runs, one of which he’ll savour when he bumped the much bigger Brodie Retallick. Missed two conversions.
6.5/10
9 Fourie du Preez
Was caught a few times at the ruck but his distribution was on point and he showed his experience when he caught opposite number Aaron Smith at the back of the scrum to win a five-metre scrum for the Boks. Rushed up in the line on two occasions, the first in the lead-up to Ben Smith’s try.
7.5/10
Mozart
You quoted the above ratings and comments and I want specifically to refer to the following:-
Morne Steyn
Given the expansive approach, Steyn cannot be criticized for not dictating terms. He got the backline away but was a bit predictable, making just three runs, one of which he’ll savour when he bumped the much bigger Brodie Retallick. Missed two conversions.
6.5/10
The ratings referred in the case of JJ mentioned missed tackles (in fact there wa 1 in the relevant test) and you called him a turnstile. However, there has been confirmation in the relevant test that Morne missed 4 tackles, but no mention of it in the above ratings. Can it therefore be accepted that in the case of JJ being a turnstile, Morne has been an open gate?
Willie is a better 14 than a full back, and has shown much
better form there. He’s comfortable there. I would leave him at 14.
JJ … NO WAY … he’s useless.
Van Zyl is no match for Kockott. Not even sure why he’s
mentioned in the starting 15.
Stander is a natural 8. Not a blindsider. No way he can
compete against either Vermeulen and let’s face it … Alberts would rip him a
new one without breaking a sweat.
Kolisis doesn’t play well to the ground. He’s not an
opensider. Flo is still the better of the two. I like Minnie and would be
tempted to give him a shot at Wales however the wise thing would be to stick
with Louw who has made the 6 jersey his own …. and deservedly so.
Jannie has become more and more of a disappointment to me and I would
drop him altogether and include someone like Trevor on the bench, who can play both sides of the scrum.
Excuse me for the fact that I dont sit around all day following whose injured and whose good to go in the powder rugby form that is the NH. Fact remains, it doesn't matter who JJ is up against, a man that cant tackle, cant tackle..Thats it. You dont need to be big to beat him. Ask Beauden Barrett.
And Becs, if you wana be a smart one and get technical, please let me know where I state that Roberts and Davies will run a mock with him THIS autumn? Here is my statement:
"Jonathan Davies and Jamie Roberts will run a mock with him!"
It could be next, it could be for the Lions or it could be in years to come when JJ goes to play overseas. Fact remains, those two boys will run rings around him. Kinda like I do with your boys Rooipoes and fat Dave.
Thanks Shezza but try reading up on the thread boet...You would have gathered this info and saved yourself a few seconds there.
Jalapeno or rooiass (clearly been run a mock with before hence the new alias) I would say you are one of the easier ones to put in place. Very little rugby knowledge of any substance and you are the boards resident grinch. Trying to find fault in posters comments and rather than discuss the issue they are putting across, you attack the author personally like you are some whizz. When you make a fool of yourself as you did the other day, you skittle off from the thread in hope everyone will forget what an asshole you are.
Not this man though Rooi. Iv'e got you sussed! I cant make you happy in life but if me not knowing something as "lifechanging" as a welsh centre being injured gets you hot under the collar, then you really are worse off than I thought.
Mozart had you sussed years ago it seems..What be your next alias old fella?
