Collusion or Delusion

Oh well...

It seems the board is quite split on who thinks that there is definitely some deliberate and or possible illegal interference in this election, and that Trump is just being a very sore loser.... or that the democrats did in fact interfere in a big way, to give Biden this win.

Let's put it all on record then...….. I will gladly admit if I get it wrong about this

Who believes that nothing happened, and who believes that some very interesting evidence will be made available to prove illegal activities did in fact take place.....

I for one believe that some underhanded tactics were utilized to assist Biden in winning this election.....

I am not a big fan of Trump, he can be an egotistical prick, and dangerous because of his actions..... as I have said many times before on this forum...…. but I also see that he is very laid back with this current scenario...... which tells me that something is going to be revealed in the near future which could shock everyone.... I may be wrong.

Did the democrats collude with all these other businesses, couriers, port office workers, voting officials... to get Biden the win..... or are the people deluded to think that that is even remotely possible..

Only time will tell..

DA,

If one simply looks at this as candidate A and B.

Here's the strangeness that has occurred against candidate A

- Dead people voting in disproportionate numbers for candidate B.

- Mathematical anomalies of impossible proportion occurring against candidate A on numerous occasions.

- Poll watchers, from candidate A's party, have now sent in hundreds of affidavits confirming they were not allowed access to carry out their jobs. Video evidence corroborates this.

- Voting machines, supplied by a company with deep links to candidate B's party, making a plethora of glitches in favour of candidate B. Never the other way around.

- Impossible voter registration - above 100% of the population registered to vote in over 350 counties.

And hey, it's not only me that thinks this is unfair against candidate A and that it undermines democracy...

How about Supreme Court Justice Alito ordering Pennsylvania to exclude late ballots received after 8 pm election day from the count. 

The ligislature determines election laws NOT THE GOVERNOR OR PENNSYLVANIA SUPREME COURT. 

Prediction Trump wins Pennsylvania easily.

In fact it would be surprising if Trump loses in the Supreme Court. 

Bet Justices Clarence Thomas Gorsuch, Kavanagh, Amy Barret and Alito can't wait to send the demonrat COUP PLOTTERS packing. Hahahahahaha. 

Think of what Biden did to Justice Clarence Thomas at his hearing. As a black man he called it a lynching. Gorsuch and particularly Kavanagh had a terrible to. E as did Barratt. 

Further the law is clear. 

So it will be a shock if the Supreme Court rules in favor of Biden. 

Hopefully the prosecution of the corrupt Biden Crime Family and all the other demonrat criminals can go full steam ahead in Trump's second term. 

I agree Plum, hence why I am going in the direction that a lot of illegal activity definitely went down, to get Biden into the White House.

Time will certainly tell, and as I said, I will gladly say I got it wrong, but I certainly think that I have it spot on

It seems that not too many people are wanting to make their personal opinions known on this specific topic here and now...... which I find strange...…. if you are 100% certain that it was a fair election, why not say so...…

I am 100% certain that it wasn't fair

You see Piss Mint... aka yellow bellied coward 

Unlike you, Denny, and Cloudy, I can gladly admit when I get it wrong

Simple.....

Pretty funny guy you are Rooi...

In full support of the Ukraine impeachment when not a single one of the best of the witnesses, as filtred through the Stasi style basement audition process, produced any information or even claimed to have heard or saw any impropriety occur first hand. "We thought..." was the basis of their claim. Literally thought!

That, you were 100% behind and hoped to high hell it succeded...when there was no proof.

Didn't you also support the Russia hoax as perpetuated by your pals at MSM? You have been very quiet on that and I don't believe that I've ever heard you comment on the FBI lawyer that pleaded guilty to falsifying evidence against Trump? "Evidence" that we now know formed part of a coup attempt by a party that still has not accepted the results of the 2016 election. 

From that, one can only conclude that you support coups against a democratically elected president on the basis of ..."I don't like him." Sure seems like your priorities are in the right place.

Yet, now there is a mounting body, of various types, of evidence surfacing and your stance ...Trump is a doos.

All this from the guy that tried to convince us all about what a genuine person he is and that his default reflex is towards honesty.

The only pattern visible here is dishonesty and egoism. 

"Didn't you also support the Russia hoax"

Yes... and he still does, 100%

"All this from the guy that tried to convince us all about what a genuine person he is and that his default reflex is towards honesty"

And there it is...… the "true" man behind the Rooinek name

"The only pattern visible here is dishonesty and egoism"

Admittedly.... I am genuinely not sure which poster you are referring to here.... there are a few that fit this profile …

LMFAO

From Rooinek's very own "Honesty" post:

"Somewhere along the line I have built up a reputation for being dishonest on these boards"

LOL... you think

"I like to think that when I post on here . . . be it rugby, other sport, politics or whatever else . . . that I am being honest"

Simple... stop thinking

"but there's one thing that I do know about myself . . . whether it's in a business meeting, a heart to heart with my wife or kids, a remark made around a braai or something I type up in this message board: my first and most basic instinct is to tell the tuth"

LMAO, every single person on this forum already knows this to be completely false

"I consider myself to be an honest person"

Stop considering this is even an option for you..... you are not an honest person

"but I know who and what I am"

Yes, we all also know exactly who you are..... a  coward...… and yes...…. we all also know what you are..... a dishonest coward.

So, clearly Piss Mint, Denny and Cloudy have absolutely no doubt at all that everything is above board and legit with this election.

Cool

"In full support of the Ukraine impeachment when not a single one of the best of the witnesses, as filtred through the Stasi style basement audition process, produced any information or even claimed to have heard or saw any impropriety occur first hand. "

Ah yes, the Ukraine impeachment hearings . . . where the cowardly Republican senators spent the first few days saying things like "how could you know what John Bolton said" or "how do you know what Bolton was thinking" and then the second half of the proceedings saying "no, we don't want to hear from John Bolton" and voting against hearing Bolton's testimony.

What a laughable fiasco that was by your cowardly arselicking Republican heroes . . . and you incredibly stupid and brainwashed Trumpanzees just lapped it all up and thought you'd proved something . . . just like when you didn't understand the findings of the Mueller report.

What's interesting is how there can be no discussion about something like this. You're either in one camp or the other, and throwing stones is the only method of communication.

Personally I think there's plenty fishy about this election. That may be because I don't understand all the processes (for example why 44 states can be done and dusted with their counting in under 12 hours and then a few swing states suddenly need days to finish their last 10-20%).

Or of course it may be because there actually is something fishy going on. We'll see. 

What is also interesting is how the Biden side cannot entertain even the slightest thought of fraud despite both the Dems and the Reps expressing their concern before the election about how mail-in voting is a dangerous platform open to fraud. It was a terrible idea, as this mess clearly shows.

There is always a very small amount of fraud in every election. This election is no different, it might be slightly higher in proportion to the higher voter turnout but no credible evidence has put forward to support fraud on the scale of what Trump and his supporters are claiming. Just a few minutes fact checking and you will find most claims of fraud are easily debunked.

Star

Here, I'll fill in some of the chance of something occurring during an election, you do the rest...

- Random people filling in ballots that don't belong to them. 100%

- Dead people voting in disproportionate numbers for candidate B. 80%

- Mathematical anomalies of impossible proportion occurring against candidate A on numerous occasions.___

- Poll watchers, from candidate A's party, have now sent in hundreds of affidavits confirming they were not allowed access to carry out their jobs. Video evidence corroborates this.___

- Voting machines, supplied by a company with deep links to candidate B's party, making a plethora of glitches in favour of candidate B. Never the other way around.___

- Impossible voter registration - above 100% of the population registered to vote in over 350 counties.___

Plum

Pretty much all of those claims have been already been debunked.

"What is also interesting is how the Biden side cannot entertain even the slightest thought of fraud despite both the Dems and the Reps expressing their concern before the election about how mail-in voting is a dangerous platform open to fraud"

Exactly my point that I made a while ago when I mentioned that these Biden supporters could also not admit to anything remotely wrong with Biden, being the president...…. there is just no budge at all

I have been very critical of Trump, long before this election.... purely because he deserved it, with his comments and behavior...

I would much rather have Trump in charge of those nuclear codes than Biden...…. I wonder how many Biden supporters on here can honestly put their dislike of Trump aside and say the same thing for Biden.....

Fuck me..... Biden would think he still needed to level Afghanistan.... looking for Bin Laden..... or go looking for George Bush or Washington to pay his respects for losing the election.

Biden does not even sometimes know that his son died 5 years ago.... and whilst that is absolutely terrible ...…... you cannot have the leader of the free world with that kind of m ental handicap... I don't care who you are

"Trumpanzees have no objectivity

They think they are being objective, but in reality they are so biased to Trump"

Despite the very recent remark from Piss Mint above, about Biden, I have not seen anything close to objectivity from any Biden supporter here

Despite all these accusations against Biden himself and his family with Russian payments, fraudulent emails...… Joe's multiple sexual harassment cases against him.... 8 of them.... and his very clear dementia issues..... you really want to mention objectivity.....

LMFAO

"Exactly my point that I made a while ago when I mentioned that these Biden supporters could also not admit to anything remotely wrong with Biden, being the president...…. there is just no budge at all"

I freely admit that Biden is gaff prone, can come across somewhat senile at times, isn't a particularly great speaker and isn't a person who will really inspire people. All of these things pale in comparison to Donald Trump's character flaws. Biden by a huge margin is the lesser of two evils.

"I would much rather have Trump in charge of those nuclear codes than Biden...…. I wonder how many Biden supporters on here can honestly put their dislike of Trump aside and say the same thing for Biden.....

Absolutely I'd rather Biden in charge of the nuclear codes than Trump.

"Fuck me..... Biden would think he still needed to level Afghanistan.... looking for Bin Laden..... or go looking for George Bush or Washington to pay his respects for losing the election.

Biden does not even sometimes know that his son died 5 years ago.... and whilst that is absolutely terrible ...…... you cannot have the leader of the free world with that kind of mental handicap... I don't care who you are"

Sure Biden fumbles over words. But the whole Biden is senile thing is just massively overblown by his political opponents.   The decision to launch a nuclear strike ultimately lies with the President but do you really think he's that senile that (A) he would firstly think Bin Laden is still alive in Afghanistan, (B) think nuclear weapons are a proportionate way of eliminating Bin Laden, (C) none of his advisers would be able to explain that Bin Laden is actually dead and even if he wasn't nuclear weapons would be completely overkill (D) the Vice President and cabinet wouldn't overrule him (E) the Generals would go along with such an order?

Stav, watch when he introduces his dead son, on election day, instead of his grand daughter, which he also got wrong as well...….. that is not a gaffe..... any which way you want to look at it, or any which way you make it out to be..... the man is not mentally capable

Watch Obama on stage with him last week..... calling him 3 times to get on stage.... reminding him about his mask whilst on stage.... helping him off the stage afterwards...… those are not gaffes at all.... far from it

George for another 4 years, and your wife has to remind you that it is actually Trump you are running for president of the USA against..... that is not a gaffe.... bloody far from it

The fact that you are even trying to excuse all this behavior, which all happened within just one week of the US elections is crazy....

Everyone has slipped up, had memes made, but the amount of absolutely stupid and horrendous things that Biden has done, in the last  7 days alone, leading up to a national election, is completely and utterly pathetic...

Very well said Stav.

"Those are embarrassing moments for Biden and you could say it raises question if he's mentally fit to be President, which only time will tell if its an actual issue or if it was being exaggerated by his political opponents"

Yes they are Stav, agreed.

However there really is nothing at all to exaggerate about, when you look at the videos..... absolutely nothing

Biden's political opponents did not need to exaggerate anything that Biden did recently, he did a fantastic job of that … all on his own

I cannot believe that Biden and Trump were the best choices out of over 330 million people

"On the other hand Trump has already proven he's completely unfit to be President."

That's your subjective opinion...there are 71 000 000 US voters with the opposite opinion ...let me quess, you are smater and know better than them all?...they're probably a bunch of redneck racists hey? 

"However there really is nothing at all to exaggerate about, when you look at the videos..... absolutely nothing

Biden's political opponents did not need to exaggerate anything that Biden did recently, he did a fantastic job of that … all on his own

I cannot believe that Biden and Trump were the best choices out of over 330 million people"

Whether you believe it or not doesn't really matter, those where the two candidate running and to me and many others, (more importantly the 76 million  voters who voted for Biden), Biden's potential senility was far less an issue than Trump words and actions over the last 4 years and the potential damage Trump could do with another 4 years in charge.

"On the other hand Trump has already proven he's completely unfit to be President."

That's your subjective opinion...there are 71 000 000 US voters with the opposite opinion ...let me quess, you are smater and know better than them all?...they're probably a bunch of redneck racists hey?"

It is my indeed my opinion. Am I'm not entitled to one?.

There are 76 million US voters with the same opinion... let me guess, your smarter and know better than them all?... they're probably a bunch of antifa rioters hey?

True Stav (unless there really were 6M dead voters), but that still doesn't prove that Trump is unfit for office...just that Biden had a better marketing team.

And very little of the "voter fraud" allegations were debunked...or proven...it's still part of the legal process...there is enough smoke for questions to be asked however...

"It is my indeed my opinion. Am I'm not entitled to one?."

You are, but you are not entitled to claim it as a proven fact.

Well to me his words and actions have proven he's unfit for the office of President.

I don't think the vote proves Biden had a better marketing team. I think a bigger factor was more down to Trump making himself more unpopular than popular over the course of his presidency.

Looking at the election, as it stands more American's dislike Trump than like him. He has a significant support base for sure but its not the majority of the population and I suspect a considerable number of voters who voted republican do not actually like Trump and find him distasteful but voted Republican because they fear the Democrats getting into power rather than for any love for Trump .

As for the voter fraud. Go check fact checking sites like Politifact, a lot of the common claims have already been debunked.

"As for the voter fraud. Go check fact checking sites like Politifact, a lot of the common claims have already been debunked."

You said they were all debunked...none were debunked,  because no real evidence were presented yet, only vague accusations.  A lot of spindoctoring going on ....from both sides, but there are a few glaring irregularities that can't be explained away by simply making it off as BS...I won't have the media making my mind up for me, I'll judge the evidence presented myself, before making up my mind...The media has a 5 year long anti-Trump track record and a track rocord for being wrong more often than not. I'll wait for legal arguments in an actual court of law, I already know the opinion of the media.

I said they where pretty much all debunked,  not all of of them. When people make claims, they can be fact checked on them, its that simple.

If your saying no real evidence was presented then why are we having this discussion, your effectively saying there is nothing to the claims of fraud other than vague accusations.

Spin doctoring by both sides?. Yes spin doctoring is done by both sides of the political divide on a regular basis but in this case its simply not true. One side is making a claim of fraud without evidence. As for the irregularities they can be explained by either not being true in the first place or there being a a logical explanation for them, you just need to go look them up.

Fair enough if you want to make up your own mind.

Trump has a 5 year long anti-truth track record and is wrong more often than he's right. The media was doing its job by holding him to account.

I said none no real evidence were presened yet. If it goes to court and there are no credible evidence, I'll concede that, but as things stand, claims were made and disputed, not debunked....and the media did way more than holding him to account,  they were actively maintaining a false narrative.