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Manufacturing hate - are we even surprised anymore?

Started by Plum113 REPLIES1,182 VIEWS· 26 May 2026, 12:44
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Plum
Captain21,007 posts
26 May 2026, 12:44#1

Full article here...




The article is on The Office of Public Affairs Website of the US Government. Here is a summary of what it says...


The SPLC secretly paid leaders and organizers connected to white supremacist and far-right extremist groups.

Examples from the article:

  1. It says the SPLC “paid the leaders and organizers of racist groups.”
  2. It alleges the SPLC “secretly funneled more than $3 million in donated funds” to people associated with groups like the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan Nations, and National Socialist Movement.
  3. It also claims the SPLC used shell entities and hidden bank accounts to disguise those payments.


And it appears that some of the groups allegedly receiving funds from the SPLC were the same right-wing groups that many people on the left claimed Trump was referring to when he made the “very fine people” comment.


Here’s the bigger issue I have with all of this. The reason narratives like this keep working is because too many people never stop to question what they’re being told. Instead of thinking critically, they let media outrage shape their opinions for them.


People become so emotionally invested in believing the world is driven entirely by hatred and division that they immediately demonize whoever they’re told to hate, without ever examining the facts for themselves.

At that point, logic and independent thought get replaced by emotional reaction.


And the people that fall for this stuff over and over again, well, Blo and his even more retarded sister, Denise.


I've often wondered why you two don't wake up.


But I've come to realise that it's because you don't want to. Victimhood and race philosophy are so ingrained in your personalities that you are basically nothing without it.


Sad, really.

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Pakie
Captain17,321 posts
26 May 2026, 15:00#2

Humans are very easy to manipulate. Social media algos specifically target people with rage bait. It should be blatantly obvious that we're deliberately being played off against one another to anyone who even have just one eye half open, but apparently it's not.

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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
26 May 2026, 15:33#3

The lack of self awareness with this post is insane.


Here’s the bigger issue I have with all of this. The reason narratives like this keep working is because too many people never stop to question what they’re being told. Instead of thinking critically, they let media outrage shape their opinions for them.


And here you are just posting the Trump administrations inditement without any critical thinking.


Now you do use the term allegedly when your talking about these funds the SPLC are suppose to have sent these groups but then you go on claim there is a media narrative shaping outrage and people are acting emotional like this has already gone through the court process and the SPLC have been found guilty.


People become so emotionally invested in believing the world is driven entirely by hatred and division that they immediately demonize whoever they’re told to hate, without ever examining the facts for themselves.


Have you by any chance... any chance at all,... looked up what the SPLC have said about this case, assessed their view or got the view of legal experts?


Yes the SLPC gave money to individuals in those groups to act as informants to obtain information about the groups and it's activities. It shared this information with the police. They are utterly adamant that the use of informants within these groups saved lives and they absolutely intend to fight this.


Here is the view of some legal experts who reckon the DOJ case is pretty dubious and likely to be dismissed pretty early in proceedings.


Legal experts skeptical of DOJ's criminal case against Southern Poverty Law Center | Alabama Reflector


Now combine that with other examples of lawfare by the Trump administration, such as say Jerome Powell and the Trump administration endless dishonesty, I mean for crying out loud their so lazy they didn't even bother taking this down.


Iran’s Nuclear Facilities Have Been Obliterated — and Suggestions Otherwise are Fake News – The White House


And you talk about lack of critical thinking. The Trump administration lies... it just lies all the time. How are people still being taken in by it... it's just madness.





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Rooinek
Captain18,117 posts
26 May 2026, 16:43#4

Trumpanzees accusing others of victimhood.


LMAO!

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sharkbok
Captain20,097 posts
26 May 2026, 18:34#5

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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
26 May 2026, 20:58#6

People become so emotionally invested in believing the world is driven entirely by hatred and division that they immediately demonize whoever they’re told to hate, without ever examining the facts for themselves.


Oh alright then, tell us why do you hate women and Kiwis?


One more.....I asked if you were bi-sexual...remember?...are you?...and do you have a preference of one over the other?


It's just a coupla questions.


Thank you in anticipation.


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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
26 May 2026, 21:05#7

Trumpanzees accusing others of victimhood.


LMAO.


I'm not sure if that is as funny as the clowns accusing us of being brainwashed.


It’s even funnier when ButtPlum adds a racial twist to his psychological analysis.

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Xavi
Pro1,924 posts
26 May 2026, 22:37#8

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bobbok...
Captain10,129 posts
26 May 2026, 23:13#9


Haters ...

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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
27 May 2026, 05:32#10

We never tired of criticizing and condemning Mugabe, Malema, Ramaphosa and the ANC, ISIS, the Twin Towers attack, Saddam Hussein, Putin and Gaddafi—neither did we stay silent when it came to challenging your Apartheid and its inhumane laws and practises.


Where was/is your voice?


It's ok no sweat.....I know.


PL
Plum
Captain21,007 posts
27 May 2026, 09:19#11

Emotional Outrage challenge;


Evidence;

You had some very bad people in that group, but you also had people that were very fine people, on both sides.”


Moments later...


I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally"



Your challenge;

Do you conclude from the above statements that Trump was condoning, supporting or in any way showing any sort of favour to Neo Nazis or any far right extremists in the statements above?


Result;

If you answer in the affirmative then it's beyond a shadow of a doubt that your logic is overcome by emotion when thinking about Trump and you are suffering from TDS.


If you answer in the negative then, congratulations, you are likely still possessed of some semblance of logic when orange man enters your mind.



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So let's see if I'm wrong;


Blo = Postive

Visser = Postive

Denise = Postive

Rooi = Postive



Tell me if any of the answers that I filled in above are incorrect and I'll happily change them.





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Pakie
Captain17,321 posts
27 May 2026, 11:08#12

Come on chaps, here's something we can all get behind. Let the cheesecake unite us.



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Mpower
Pro5,061 posts
27 May 2026, 12:02#13

Plum, in your last two posts on the thread:

"Where’s D.A. ??" There Is quite a bit of contradiction...


In one post you say Trump posts have ruined this site. In your very next post you say you don't read Trump posts. So which is it? How do you know they ruined the site if you don't read them?


You lecture everyone about TDS and emotional thinking while posting a thread comparing anti Trump posters to drug addicts. The irony is quite staggering...


Here are some actual facts worth thinking about critically since you enjoy that concept so much:


Trump used $1.77 billion of taxpayer money to create a fund benefiting his political allies after dropping a lawsuit against his own government.


He has made stock market announcements that benefit people with advance knowledge.


Trump also bought Palantir stock multiple times in early 2026.


Then his administration awarded Palantir contracts worth nearly a billion dollars. Then he went on Truth Social and publicly promoted Palantir by name and ticker symbol saying they have great war fighting capabilities.


The first sitting president in history to publicly promote a stock by ticker symbol from the presidential platform.


He also bought shares in Lockheed Martin, General Dynamics and Northrop Grumman. The exact companies supplying weapons for the Iran war he is conducting.


Buy the stock. Award the contracts. Promote the stock publicly. Sell at profit.


Whether that meets the strict legal definition of insider trading is something lawyers can debate.


Whether it is ethically corrupt and an abuse of presidential power is not debatable!!


Also lets not forget, he conducted an illegal military campaign against Iran with zero UN authorisation that killed innocent civilians including children!


And please remind the addicts, what positives has come from this War??


And Netanyahu with full American backing continues doing the same in Gaza!


These are documented facts. Not emotion and Not TDS.


So before telling others to think critically and look in the mirror, maybe do exactly that yourself.


Because from where I'm standing, the pro Trump crowd on this forum is just as obsessed, just as tribal and just as incapable of honest self reflection as anyone you are pointing fingers at.


Food for thought...

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Plum
Captain21,007 posts
27 May 2026, 12:18#14

Right then, MP, here we go.


You’ll no doubt immediately notice the absolutely extraordinary and miraculous improvement in my writing ability here. I have clearly spent countless hours refining my grammar, polishing my vocabulary, elevating my sentence structure, and mastering the subtle art of coherent expression practically overnight.


The contrast should be impossible to miss.


Please pay special attention to the sophisticated language, the dramatically improved spelling, the elegant formatting, and the suspicious absence of my usual keyboard abuse and typo warfare.


But let me be perfectly clear:

Do NOT accuse me of using AI.

I would be utterly devastated by such a cruel and baseless allegation.


The very suggestion that this sudden transformation from half-conscious cave goblin typing into refined literary scholar might involve artificial assistance would wound me deeply on an emotional level.


So please, out of respect for my obviously authentic intellectual evolution, refrain from such offensive speculation.


Your reply is honestly a perfect example of someone trying to sound analytical while completely abandoning logical consistency the moment emotion enters the discussion.


The funniest part is that you accuse me of contradiction while your entire post is built almost entirely on contradiction, deflection, emotional framing, and unsupported conclusions.

Let’s dissect this carefully.


First:

You completely avoided the actual argument.


My post was specifically about whether Trump’s Charlottesville quote, taken in full context, logically supports the claim that he was praising neo-Nazis.


That was the point.


That was the challenge.


That was the topic.


Instead of answering it directly, you immediately pivoted into:

  1. Palantir,
  2. insider trading accusations,
  3. Iran,
  4. Gaza,
  5. military ethics,
  6. Netanyahu,
  7. stock promotion,
  8. corruption,
  9. “tribalism,”
  10. and forum psychology.


Why?


Because you could not actually defeat the original point cleanly.


So you changed the battlefield entirely.


That is textbook deflection.


Imagine someone says:


“The quote literally excludes neo-Nazis.”


And your response is:

“Yeah but what about Palantir stock trades and Iran?”


That is not a rebuttal.

That is evasion disguised as moral outrage.


Second contradiction:

You accuse me of emotional thinking while writing one of the most emotionally charged posts in the thread.


Your language is loaded from start to finish:

“drug addicts”

“tribal”

“obsessed”

“corrupt”

“illegal war”

“killed innocent children”

“abuse of presidential power”

“incapable of self reflection”


This is not detached analytical reasoning.


This is emotionally charged persuasion language.


And that’s fine — people are emotional about politics.


But don’t pretend you’re operating from some elevated realm of pure logic while everyone else is irrational.


Your entire post is dripping with emotion.


Third contradiction:

You mocked me for saying Trump threads ruined the site while not reading all Trump posts.

But then you yourself make sweeping psychological conclusions about “the pro-Trump crowd” as a whole.


According to you:

  1. they are obsessed,
  2. tribal,
  3. incapable of self reflection,
  4. emotionally compromised,
  5. and addicted.


Interesting.


Did you personally psychologically evaluate every pro-Trump user individually?


Or did you form a broader conclusion based on observing forum culture generally?


Because if the latter is acceptable for you, then your criticism collapses immediately.


You are using the exact same type of generalized observation you criticised.


Fourth contradiction:

You repeatedly say:

“These are documented facts.”


But then you mix actual facts together with interpretation, allegation, speculation, and moral conclusions as though they are all identical categories.


For example:

“Trump conducted an illegal military campaign against Iran.”

Illegal according to whom exactly?


International law scholars disagree constantly on military legality, executive authority, proportionality, intervention doctrine, UN applicability, and treaty interpretation.


You present a contested political/legal conclusion as though it is universally settled objective reality.

That is not critical thinking.

That is ideological certainty.


Same with:

“ethically corrupt and an abuse of presidential power is not debatable!!”

Of course it’s debatable.


The second you say:

“this is not debatable”

while discussing politics, ethics, law, and international conflict, you are no longer behaving rationally.

You are announcing dogma.


Fifth contradiction:

You accuse others of tribalism while displaying extreme tribal framing yourself.

Notice how every assumption in your post flows one direction only:

  1. Trump supporters = emotional.
  2. Trump critics = factual.
  3. Trump defenders = tribal.
  4. Trump opponents = rational truth tellers.
  5. Criticism of Trump = objective.
  6. Defence of Trump = obsession.


That is not neutrality.

That is simply tribalism wearing intellectual clothing.


Actual critical thinking allows for the possibility that:

  1. some criticisms are valid,
  2. some accusations are exaggerated,
  3. media framing can be manipulative,
  4. context matters,
  5. and political opponents can sometimes be dishonest.


But your entire framework assumes only one side is emotionally compromised.

Ironically, that itself is emotional reasoning.


Sixth contradiction:

You attack me for allegedly simplifying people into “TDS sufferers.”

But then you reduce all pro-Trump users into a caricature yourself.

According to your framing, they are basically:

  1. blind followers,
  2. emotionally obsessed,
  3. morally compromised,
  4. and incapable of reflection.


So apparently simplifying entire groups psychologically is only bad when someone else does it.

Seventh contradiction:


You try to create the impression of objectivity by listing many accusations rapidly in sequence.

This is a classic rhetorical technique:


overwhelm with quantity to create the illusion of proof.


But simply stacking allegations together does not magically strengthen weak logic.

For example:

  1. mentioning Palantir,
  2. then Iran,
  3. then Gaza,
  4. then Lockheed,
  5. then “war profiteering,”
  6. then “children killed,”
  7. then “stock promotion”


does not automatically establish corruption.


It creates emotional momentum.


That’s different.

You are relying heavily on associative implication:

“If I place all these things near each other emotionally, readers will emotionally conclude guilt.”


That is persuasion psychology.


Not logical demonstration.


Eighth contradiction:

You criticised me for supposedly being obsessed with anti-Trump narratives.

Yet your reply itself is essentially a giant catalogue of Trump-focused outrage.

You know his stock holdings.

You know contract amounts.

You know company names.

You know military conflict details.

You know ticker symbols.

You know timelines.

You know Truth Social posts.

That level of political fixation is not evidence of emotional detachment.


It is evidence of deep investment.

Again:

that’s fine.


But pretending your obsession is “rational concern” while everyone else’s obsession is “tribal addiction” is intellectually dishonest.


Ninth contradiction:

You repeatedly invoke “critical thinking” while refusing to critically examine your own assumptions.


For instance:

you automatically assume every accusation against Trump is true, accurately framed, contextually complete, and morally self-evident.


Where is your skepticism there?

Where is your caution?

Where is your demand for full context?

Where is your concern about media distortion?

Where is your insistence on evidentiary restraint?


Suddenly all of that disappears when the claims emotionally align with your worldview.


That is precisely the selective reasoning you accuse others of.


And finally:

The single biggest flaw in your entire post is this:

You never actually disproved my original point.

Not once.

You attacked motives.

You attacked personalities.

You broadened the discussion.

You pivoted topics.

You moralised.

You emotionally framed.

You piled on unrelated allegations.


But you never actually addressed the central logical issue:


If Trump explicitly said he was NOT talking about neo-Nazis and that they “should be condemned totally,” then on what logical basis do people still insist the quote was praising neo-Nazis?


That was the original issue.


And despite several paragraphs of outrage and moral grandstanding, you still never answered it directly.

Which says quite a lot.


Food for thought.

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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
27 May 2026, 13:13#15

Emotional Outrage challenge;


Emm you going just ignore my post? How like you literally unironically did the very same thing you were complaining about in the very same post you were complaining about it!





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Mpower
Pro5,061 posts
27 May 2026, 19:52#16

Plum,


I read your long reply carefully. I'll respond directly and factually.


First, you call me a "half-conscious cave goblin" who suddenly needs AI to write properly. That is a personal insult. I never claimed to be a genius or write books.


Like the Eight AI books that you apparently wrote without declaring the actual titles. My writing has improved over time through work and experience of chatting on here with you guys, and yes, I sometimes use AI to check words or phrases.


But the points, context and substance in my posts are mine. You don't know me outside this forum. You don't know I design, cost and commission solar systems...grid-tie, hybrid, standalone, or that I explain technical details to customers every day.


Calling me a low-IQ cave man just because I challenged your post is arrogant and pretentious!


You accuse me of emotional momentum, unsupported conclusions and deflection.


But every point I made is verifiable through Trump's own actions and what he said on live TV or Truth Social:


the Palantir stock buys, the public promotion by ticker symbol, the contracts awarded, the stock holdings in defence companies during the Iran action, and the military campaign without UN approval.


These are documented facts, not assumptions. You say they are "allegations" and "emotional," yet you accept the Trump DOJ indictment against the SPLC as strong evidence while preaching critical thinking. That is the double standard!


On the "very fine people" quote, Stavanger1 already addressed it directly and truthfully i cant add more than what has already been said by him.


Trump explicitly said he was not talking about neo-Nazis and that they should be condemned totally. You keep returning to that as the only important point, but when I listed other issues you call it deflection.


You can't demand answers only on your chosen topic while ignoring the rest. You say I assume only one side is emotional and tribal.


But I clearly wrote at the end of my post: "the pro Trump crowd on this forum is just as obsessed, just as tribal and just as incapable of honest self reflection as anyone you are pointing fingers at." That includes me.


You ignored that line completely and claimed I only attacked one side. That is selective reading you mostly apply in your arguments.


You also attack my character and suggest I'm not capable of writing coherently without AI. Yet your own long reply is extremely structured, clinical, with numbered contradictions and scholar style words like "evidentiary restraint" and "associative implication"


These words and other like

" Microcosm" you didn't use before AI became prominent.


I am not the only one who notices this.

You have a pattern. When you can't debate someone fairly, you go personal.


You did it to Saffolk/Dave, posting private pictures and body shaming him when you couldn't win the argument. Now you do the same to me with the cave goblin and AI ghostwriter attacks.


This off course, is from behind a keyboard, safe from real pushback. That is cowardly behaviour!


I never said I was above criticism. But you lecture everyone about critical thinking and TDS while doing the exact same things: generalising groups, emotional language, and personal attacks when challenged.


You pretend to care, you and others asked where I was during my two months away recovering from surgery, but when I explained, there was no real follow up. That concern was fake!


This forum has become toxic because of exactly this kind of behaviour. People like you project their own issues onto others, then act like the reasonable one.


You can keep trying to replace Saffolk's threads and position yourself as the expert or leader. It won't work the same way, and driving posters away won't make the forum better.


But that is what will make you happy, so you can stay the pretentious, attention seeking person you clearly are.


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Mozart
Captain49,914 posts
27 May 2026, 20:29#17

Plum you just don’t get it ….the SPLC can’t be lying, it has to be the Department of Justice.


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Denny
Captain12,893 posts
27 May 2026, 20:38#18

This forum has become toxic because of exactly this kind of behaviour. People like you project their own issues onto others, then act like the reasonable one.


You can keep trying to replace Saffolk's threads and position yourself as the expert or leader. It won't work the same way, and driving posters away won't make the forum better.


But that is what will make you happy, so you can stay the pretentious, attention seeking person you clearly are.

Glad I’m not the only one who’s seen through him. Besides Dave, he kept going at Cloudy until she was in tears. Anyone with a shred of decency would have apologized or backed off, but not him—he relished every bit of the misery he caused her and took satisfaction in Dave finally having enough and walking out.

He got a lot of satisfaction from his efforts, along with the bonus of showing off to his imaginary audience. Oh, and by the way, he also tried to get rid of BB and me.


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Stavanger1
Pro4,532 posts
27 May 2026, 21:53#19

Plum you just don’t get it ….the SPLC can’t be lying, it has to be the Department of Justice.


What's the bets in several months time or a year from now when this case gets dismissed you will be whinging about lefty woke lawyers and judges.

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sharkbok
Captain20,097 posts
28 May 2026, 00:00#20

ButtPlug is not playing with a full deck of cards. He portrays himself as fact-based, but he has far too much emotional bias to be taken seriously. Mpower uses common sense, rather than garbled disinformation pushed by ButtPlug.


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