People are 'waking up to the threat posed' by communist China

The CCP so beloved by the demonrats and globalists!!!!

China will be the big loser post the Wuhan Virus.

Why the West believes China is our constant friend and Russia our implacable enemy defies all logic.

I place China, Iran and North Korea as  countries who need to be sorted in one way or another. 

The world will never know the true figure of mortalities from the coronavirus in China, public disclosures were slapped down with an iron fist and without any transparency and media exposure the world was left horribly vulnerable to the virus. It's just another example of dictatorships being rotten.

True Denny. One can only look at the graph to see that the official figures are horse manure. I suspect that the figures are atleast 10 fold to those reported.

"The Chinese bastards must be sanctioned to punish their economy...

The world will never know the true figure of mortalities from the coronavirus in China, public disclosures were slapped down with an iron fist and without any transparency and media exposure the world was left horribly vulnerable to the virus. It's just another example of dictatorships being rotten."

If they where easy to sort out they would of been long ago.

How can you sort out China, well war is out of the question, your talking end of the world stuff with all the nukes they have. Strong economic sanctions, perhaps if the entire world was united pressure could be applied for them to comply, but you run the risk of damaging the world economy further which will likely be in very bad shape for a while after this. China may also react badly and start lashing out in ways not yet known. But I am in agreement that the Chinese government should be held to account for the attempted cover up at the start of this crisis. But how to go about that I'm not sure.

Iran, now assuming you agree with the assessment that Iran is a major threat, economy sanctions have been in place for years, but the west do currently have the option of war as Iran doesn't yet have nukes, so America could probably defeat Iran with acceptable causality levels. However it would likely be America alone as most other Western countries don't see Iran as the same threat Trump and Israel do. Would America have the stomach for another middle east war, wasn't one of Trumps election promises  not to get involved in foreign wars. Say he is and America goes in and topples the Iranian regime, then what? Will we have another Iraq on our hands. We have seen its far easier winning wars than winning the peace afterwards, whats the long term plan, decade long deployment of troops to help achieve stability, bring in democratic elections, then like in Egypt you can have hardline groups like the Muslim brotherhood gain power democratically, will it lead to the rise of another Islamic state type group etc.

As for North Korea, they have already been sanctioned to buggery at this point, I doubt there is much more you can do from that perspective. Of course NK could never win a war with the West but since they have nukes and and so much conventional weapon aimed at SK any victory over them would be pyrrhic in nature as the West wouldn't be able to stop them from doing immense damage to SK before toppling them. Aside from that NK would have to be occupied and if your doing that, China might step in to stop that from happening, It won't want a United Korean a state aligned to America on its doorstep .

Dr Moz you should by now know the answer to your question. 

China is part of the globalist/Marxist left world order. Hence the globalist demonrats and Globalist EU leaders have been very supportive of China. Exporting jobs and factories to China.

Then you have Russia who chucked out the Roth child's and have a warrant out for the arrest of globalist kingpin Soros. 

Russia is not under globslist rule hence must be the enemy. 

The way the globalist media in the USA has supported China AGAINST America shows what they are about. Mind you they support everything anti American. Remember how they supported Iran and were horrified when Trump took out those two terrorist leaders. 

Dr Moz America has an internal enemy determined to destroy the country. That is the simple truth. You also need to look no further that the disastrous policies the marxist left are proposing. 

Unfortunately for all of us if America falls we are all in the dwang. 

@sharkbok

It wasn't created intentionally by the Chinese people though. By not distinguishing that, your gonna see hate crimes against Chinese people spike around the world, there has already been reports of that. You could say the Chinese people are at fault in a manner for ignoring the warnings but we have seen other cultures make similar mistakes. People in poor and rural area's of African countries refused to follow medical advise when dealing with Ebola outbreak. You could say America was at fault for not taking the issue seriously when it shut down  that NSC department specifically set up to deal with a situation like this. And what about the brave Chinese doctors who tried to get out warnings but where admonished by the Chinese authorities for it.

Wet markets are not actually an issue themselves, the selling of fresh fish, meat and other perishable goods occurs all round the world in a safe manner. Its the bringing of live animals into wet markets that's the issue. The majority of Chinese wet markets do not bring in live animals in fairness to them. Whats needed now is the Chinese to initiate a ban on bringing in live animals and ensure its enforced. I'm sure the Chinese can do this without significant economic cost and they surely realize its in their own self interest to do so now. If the Chinese are not willing to do this, then whatever pressure the outside world can put on them should be done.

The ban of selling live wildlife in wet markets should be a world wide ban.

From my understanding of it the first indication that there was a new and dangerous virus was 25th of December. 5 days later the Chinese notified the WHO but played down the severity of the virus and gave overly optimistic reports and assured the WHO it could be contained. It wasn't till January the 9th that Chinese came clean and admitted how serious the situation was. at which stage the WHO informed governments around the world that there was a new deadly strain of the corona virus in existence. The reaction of governments around the world was mixed.

But say China had applied the same response that many countries around the world implemented, its unlikely the virus would of been contained. Even with advanced warning from countries that got the virus before them some countries have not adequately responded to the threat, I would allow China so leeway in that regard. Countries just didn't realize what they where dealing with even with advanced warning, China had no advanced warning. Assuming they had reacted like others and had not attempted a cover up, the situation we find ourselves in now may be better but its virtually impossible to imagine it could have been stopped from spreading around the world.

Some countries seem so angry at China for accidentally shooting them in the leg that they are too busy being angry rather than treating the bullet wound and stopping the bleeding. Do that first, them look at the cause and implement measure to ensure no repeat.

China has too much influence in the world. If they were in the same position as the USA, we would probably have been conquered already. They are a Godless horde without the scruples normally associated with Weatern Civilization.. only a strong NATO is keeping them in check.

And forget about a regime change...that would create more problems than it solves...same for NK, Iran and Russia...only way to prevent them from unleashing suffering onto the world is by being significantly stronger than them...same as schoolyard bullies. 

The "Black Death"  700 years ago originated in China...it wiped out half of Europe.They say it came through fleas but some say it's more like Ebola like virus.

These Chinese export and copy anything into the world and this includes death.

Joe Biden after the $1,5 billion bribe -

"Get Real - China is no threat to anybody."

That shows the attitude of the Democrat leaders to China after they were paid off, Nobody knows how the money was distributed of the $1,5 billion - but it went to all key people in the Obam,a Administration,  Obama, Biden, Kerrym Clinton, Schumer, Pelosi, Schiff and Podesta must all have go their share,

Russia was not hated as much and it was created by the Hollywood crowd and the Ukraine Cobol War after 2014.   The fact is that the atmosphere was poisoned by the Steele Dossier and the wide scandal story started by the DNC and Clinton.

And Russia was not as easy on bribing the Democrats as China was,  

Stav

Which elections are you referred to as Russia was interfering in?

The second issue relates to Ukraine,  Do you know why a large portion of Ukraine was created in 1953 when the Communists decided to redefine the border of Ukraine to ensure that the ethnic Russians are in the majority in that USSR Republic.   The Crimea even by 2018 had a population of 85% ethnic Russians - 10% Muslims settled their when Ukraine was a satellite of the Ottoman Empire and 5% Ukrainians,   

The 1992 desolving of the USSR resulted in a Ukraine that was not  natural and normal country and real problems were to be expected,   The part that was put into Ukraine by the Communists created a situation that could never be regarded as a natural country and trouble followed immediately.    In the period from 1992 to 2014 there was a surrogate government in alliance with Russia in Ukraine and the ethnic Ukraine population was severely oppressed,   That followed by a taking over of the Ukraine government by ethnic Ukrainians and the boot was on the other foot.    The result was a rebellion in Eastern Ukraine and  the resultant Civil War.

Fact is that the Crimea since the conquest of the area by the armies of Catherine the Great had for the next near to 300 years no link with Ukraine at all.   Under the circumstances any logical person would reduce the fact that a dictatorship created an artificial state that could never be sustained,  The situation was in fact very similar to the situation in the late unlamented Yoguslavia - an artificial state where the people from the various areas hated each other,  That caused a more widespread war than ever happened in Ukraine and in the end the West was forced to accept the establishment of a number of independent countries.   The new President of Ukraine has started negotiations with Russia on the issue and a logical settlement is likely,

Most of the anti-Russia stories are news-media fabrications.   The story about the Russian submarine off the Swedish coast was just one of those.   There was no real proof that it was not just an error of judgement by the crew that led to the "incident".   

As to China there are differences of opinion on China - but there is one issue that cannot be argued away,   China is a Communist Dictatorship and the Communist Internationale notion is in full force,  The communists want a World under total control of Communism..   That has been the case throughout the 20th century and nothing has changed,   In Africa they are bribing the corrupt leaders and the influence of China is much wider than that of the USA and other Western Countries,   China is the puppet-master in many countries of the continent and they are sure to take over most of Africa should they decide to do so.   

China is a danger to the democratic world and will remain so in future,   Th country is too small to sustain the population of over 1,7 billion people and they will try and take over countries in future,     In the meantime they have successfully bribed the leadership of the Democrats in the USA and that is a danger for anyone else, in the world.             

Globalization was NOT simply a mistake. It was deliberate and planned. The outsourcing of American jobs and factories and technologies sprung from a globalist mindset. As does open borders.danctiary cities. 

The accumulation of some 22 trillion in debt was not a mistake either. 

The prevention of USA  using its own oil reserves was not a mistake. 

The over regulation of America was not a mistake it again was deliberate. 

Giving 150 billion dollars to the world's largest state sponsor of terrorism whose mad mullahs chant death to America was deliberate. 

The change in American voters and demographics was deliberate. 

63 million American children murdered. The furious promotion of LGBT led to Labour shortages. Deliberately engineered. 

Indeed the moral degradation of portion of the population has been deliberate as well. 

The marxist march through the institutions has been planned and deliberate and they now boss the MSM, media, Hollywood and academia. 

Trump stopped the surrender of American sovereignty to the UN, things like the ICC, exited the Climate Change accord, a mechanism for controlling the US economy. International trade treaties etc etc. All designed to undermine that bastion of freedom and democracy. That city on a hill shing BRIGHTLY the USA. 

America is in huge trouble. One more DEMONRAT election victory  could be the end.

The similarities to what has happened to once prosperous Europe and the USA are quickly apparent. All planned. 

Mike I hear the Chinese own a lot of Hollywood as well. 

A law needs to be made disclosing all Chinese stake holding in American companies. 

All politi ans should be forced to make public all their assets and sources of income. Term limits as well. 12 year max. 12 year break then you can run again or something like that. 

These globalist outsourced to Mexico and Canada. 

From all accounts one third of US industry was lost. 

Then they brought in cheap Labour to suppress wages. 

The American worker was screwed. Apparently wages stagnated for 18 years. 

The FACT is the globalist mindset cares not a dot about their country or its people. They are citizens of the world not of the USA. 

THEIR mantra is - No borders, NO Wall, NO USA AT. 

Blair and Brown, arch Globalist Remainers called for a world government with executive powers. 

The UN is absurdly calling for nations to donate 10%of GDP to their budget. 

The Globalist dream of a one world government they dominate is out in thevopen

These are the people destroying America and Europe. It's as plain as daylight. 

Furthermore I am seeing people all over the internet in both Europe and America fully aware of this. The whole fightback of the populists/nationalists is a reaction to the globalists and their desire to destroy nation states. 

The cat is out of the bag and the battle not to be enslaved by these scumbag elites rages on. The elites hope they can fool the sheepie and they have but with diminishing success to date. 

Fruitcakes have to have an outlet and I guess this forum satisfies that need. Do you really believe stifling him and letting him loose into the community is a good idea?

Mind you he's gone awfully quiet about "crooked" Hilary....the codswallop surrounding her  appears to have dried up.....I wonder why...

China Donates 1,000 Ventilators to New York

New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo announced that China is facilitating the donation of 1,000 ventilators to the hard-hit state, with the shipment slated to arrive at John F. Kennedy International Airport later today.

China in recent weeks seems to be using the coronavirus pandemic to position itself as a global response leader while the perception has been that the U.S. finds itself trying to catch up to the virus outbreak domestically.

“We finally got some good news today,” Cuomo said during a press briefing this morning. “The Chinese government helped facilitate a donation of 1,000 ventilators that will arrive in JFK today.”

The donations originate with several Chinese foundations facilitated by Ambassador Huang Ping.

“This is a big deal, and it’s going to make a significant difference for us,” Cuomo said.

Jack Ma, Joe Tsai, the Jack Ma Foundation and the Joe and Clara Tsai Foundation reportedly contributed to the effort.

China greatly suffered at the start of the pandemic, including during the period it was actively engaged in a coverup of the virus. Now that the crisis seems to have somewhat stabilized in China, the country is positioning itself as the global leader in helping other nations respond to the Chinese coronavirus outbreak.

And that response offers China a unique opportunity to extend its tentacles by massively expanding its international influence and playing the role of superpower precisely at a time the U.S. has been struggling to contain the virus. Besides sending the ventilators to New York, China has been supplying large quantities of masks to hard-hit countries while the U.S. is fast at work trying to produce enough masks for its own domestic requirements.

“This could be the first major global crisis in decades without meaningful U.S. leadership and with significant Chinese leadership,” noted Rush Doshi, director of the China Strategy Initiative at the Brookings Institution in Washington.

Axios reported that Chinese think tanks are floating the idea of a “Beijing-led global health organization that would rival the [World Health Organization].”

“The Chinese government has been trying to project Chinese state power beyond its borders and establish China as a global leader, not dissimilar to what the U.S. government has been doing for the better part of a century, and the distribution of medical aid is part of this mission,” argued Dr. Yangyang Cheng, a postdoctoral research associate at Cornell University and columnist for SupChina.

Indeed, China has pledged or provided aid far and wide, from Greece to Italy, Japan, Iraq, Serbia, Spain and even Peru, in an attempt, as the New York Times characterized it, “to reposition itself not as the authoritarian incubator of a pandemic but as a responsible global leader at a moment of worldwide crisis.”

“The coronavirus pandemic has become a battleground,” said Bruno Maçães, a former Secretary of State for European Affairs in Portugal. “I see China focused on using the crisis as an opportunity to play up the superiority of its model.”

Has the coronavirus pandemic in China being stabilized?  The Chinese government says it is. - but nobody in the know believes a word they say,   That being the case supreme idiots like Cuomo would praise them for their "help".        

Has the coronavirus pandemic in China being stabilized?  The Chinese government says it is. - but nobody in the know believes a word they say,   That being the case supreme idiots like Cuomo would praise them for their "help".        

The more I think about it the more I think the Chinese Government played a major role in getting the virus to become a worldwide problem.   They would love to see the western economies to  collapse and take over the world supremacy that way.