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The 2 "further Right" Wings of America Compared

Started by sharkbok18 REPLIES770 VIEWS· 08 Apr 2020, 17:54
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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
08 Apr 2020, 17:54
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08 Apr 2020, 17:54#1

The "further" right-wing in America can be broken into 2 categories or ideologies: Beeno is a simpleton that is clearly compatible with the latter category. 


1. The sensible "further" right-wing that live in reality. These are educated people that favour right-wing ideologies for various reasons such as station of birth, career position and ideals. Essentially smart people that add value to the world view. Some may believe in religion or the values within religion- but they are not brainwashed- and therefore capable of independent thought. 

The right-wing in Western Europe are not religious. (At least not ultra-brainwashed religious anyway). Naturally, they are more similar to the sensible "further "right-wing" in the US. 


2. The unsensible "further" right-wing that use conspiracy theories to try to make sense of the world. 

They are very religious and will often quote passages from the old testament Arab passages (e.g. Moses the Arab, Babylon etc). Noah the Arab etc. 

Then they like to prophesize the future using the new testament Book of Revelations. They have no objectivity, instead their filter reality to try fit their dogma. They despise proven experts in a society like scientists because it challenges their limited dogma. 

The colloquial term in the US is a religious redneck. They get duped by the sensible right-wing to make up much of the lower-paid workforce. 


Conspiracy Examples include:

  1. Bill Gates Micro-tag that will track everyone in the world. 
  2. The Globalist world order. 
  3. Good and Evil- and nothing in between. 
  4. The Illuminati
  5. Corona Virus is a means for the globalist world in order to take over the world.
  6. Trying to protect the environment is part of a globalist conspiracy.
  7. Anything new that pops up
  8. China and Arab terrorists and much of the West are in cahoots to establish one world order. 
  9. Anyone that does not share their limited view of the world is part of the Globalist first world order. 
  10. Anyone that does not share their limited view of the world is a communist antichrist. 
  11. The would like to burn people on the stake that challenge their limited viewpoints. 
  12. Their Church adds fuel to the fire by stirring the seeds planted into them as children
  13. The like to talk about capitalism, even if they are in lower-paid menial jobs (and not actually capitalists). 
  14. The list goes on.


Some of the political campaigns in the US target the second category purely for votes. 

They are mostly just consumers to keep the wheel turning and have no real influence otherwise in society. 

Some of the videos that Beeno uses for his own brainwashing purposes are from these people. Good entertainment, but nothing of any relevance. 

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
08 Apr 2020, 19:46
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08 Apr 2020, 19:46#2


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Apr 2020, 19:51
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08 Apr 2020, 19:51#3

The four  left wings of America compared:


1 The Wall Street Types who want to keep the ‘carried interest exemption’ and sell the country to the highest bidder.

2 The old blue collar coalition of hard working people who were so brainwashed as children they don’t see that the Democratic alliance with immigrants is being funded with their taxes.

3 The  looney tunes, Marxists who haven’t understood the model failed in Eastern Europe, Russia, N Korea, Venezuela, Cuba and China.

4 The new religious zealots who worship man....call others deniers, believe every human is good .....and demand no prisons, open borders, free everything, no work if you aren’t so inclined and a cheque from the government every month.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2020, 20:17
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08 Apr 2020, 20:17#4

Shark looks like a 4 to me.

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
08 Apr 2020, 20:57
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08 Apr 2020, 20:57#5
Demographics of the US paint another picture of Re publicans vs Democrats. 
There is a clear trend that shows the more educated someone is, the less likely they are to be Republican. 
The older religious red necks are the bread and butter voters of the Republicans in 2020- but this changes with the younger generation. 
https://www.people-press.org/2018/03/20/1-trends-in-party-affiliation-among-demographic-groups/  
(https://www.pewresearch.org/about/

The city dwellers are more likely to be Democrats and the rural Republicans. 
The smarter sensible Republicans will continue to exist, but the dumber ones look to be on their way out. 

The educational gap in partisan orientation continues to grow

Higher educational attainment is increasingly associated with Democratic Party affiliation and leaning.












Religious affiliation and party identification

White evangelical Protestants remain one of the most reliably Republican groups of voters, and the GOP’s advantage among this segment of the population has continued to grow in recent years: 77% of white evangelical voters lean toward or identify with the Republican Party, while just 18% have a Democratic orientation.

Urban voters grow more Democratic, rural voters more Republican

Voters in urban counties have long aligned more with the Democratic Party than the Republican Party, and this Democratic advantage has grown over time. Today, twice as many urban voters identify as Democrats or lean Democratic (62%) as affiliate with the GOP or lean Republican.

Overall, those who live in suburban counties are about evenly divided in their partisan loyalties (47% Democratic, 45% Republican), little changed over the last two decades.

Voters in rural areas have moved in a more Republican direction over the last several years. From 1999 to 2009, rural voters were about equally divided in their partisan leanings.

A wide – and growing – generational divide in partisanship

The generational gap in partisanship is now more pronounced than in the past, and this echoes the widening generational gaps seen in many political values and preferences.

Millennial voters (born 1981 to 1996) have had a Democratic tilt since they first entered adulthood; this advantage has only grown as they have aged.

Democrats enjoy a 27-percentage-point advantage among Millennial voters (59% are Democrats or lean Democratic, 32% are Republican or lean Republican). In 2014, 53% of Millennial voters were Democrats or leaned Democratic, 37% tilted toward the GOP.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Apr 2020, 21:22
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08 Apr 2020, 21:22#6

Except in the last 5 national contests ....senate 16/18..house 16/18....president 16, the Republicans have won 4 out of 5. There are polls and there are elections.

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
08 Apr 2020, 21:59
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08 Apr 2020, 21:59#7
Having the first black president, and then the possibility of the first women president was just 1-step too far left. (especially for the older demographic). Hillary was also limited as an option as well....
These combined with terrorist and refugee threats - along with old religious "values" is was what got Trump in. 
Democrats need to refine their strategy to protect borders from Mexicans and have a points-based entry system to protect their borders. . 
Then the Democrats need a strong charismatic leader- and they will take the presidency back- probably for good... at least until another party arises to be a contender- or the Republicans adapt to targeting a non-religious demographic effectively. 

Sometimes people get more conservative when they get older- but they are not going to be more religious.  Religion was Trump's Trump-card- but Republicans will have to adapt to the younger generation that does not accept things on blind faith. They know that someone can talk about religion- but that is just a trick to get votes from the religious. Also the % of religious will be less- so that tactic will become outdated anyway. 

The old Republicans are ageing out. The younger generation is just less religious, so the Republican bread and butter will be smaller and smaller per cent. 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
08 Apr 2020, 23:01
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08 Apr 2020, 23:01#8
There's a much simple r definition of the two right wings in the Globalist States of America . . . Republicans and Democrats.
Nearly all Americans are right wingers. The Democrat Party in any European country would be regarded as being centrist right while the Republicans would be far right wing nationalists.
Americans call left wingers communists. There is no Americam left wing party.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2020, 23:10
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08 Apr 2020, 23:10#9

Astounding insights on this thread...absolutely astounding!

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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
08 Apr 2020, 23:42
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08 Apr 2020, 23:42#10

Good point Rooineck, I have updated the title of this thread to " The 2 further-Right Wings of America Compared"

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Apr 2020, 23:54
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08 Apr 2020, 23:54#11

Damn right Peeper.....there is no “Americam” left wing party.

Hahahaha....what a twit.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
08 Apr 2020, 23:55
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08 Apr 2020, 23:55#12

American right vs The USSSR left? I know what I would pic. It's only been 30 years since the missery that was Communism was abolished and the world seems hell bent on giving it another go under a new guise...the world truely deserves what's coming.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Apr 2020, 23:57
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08 Apr 2020, 23:57#13
As Rooinek said by European standards the Democrats are center right to right wing, while the Republicans party would be considered far right.
Ireland is a funny case politically speaking, we have a large amount of small to moderate size left wing parties, one large left wing party, one large center left party but only one large right wing party and at that they are center right. There is also several fringe alt left and alt right parties but they don't have anyone elected to parliament.
The center left (Fianna Fail) and center right parties(Fine Gale) here are on the verge of forming a coalition government which would be absolutely unprecedented situation that would of been unimaginable just 10 years ago. Its the Irish equivalent of the Democrats and Republicans going into government together in the United States and would be dominating the news here if was not for the Covid 19 situation.




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CeradynePro9,374 posts
09 Apr 2020, 00:11
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09 Apr 2020, 00:11#14
“ Having the first black president, and then the possibility of the first women president was just 1-step too far left. (especially for the older demographic).” The election of Trump has nothing to do with race or gender. You are missing the boat by light years. The Americans have been gatvol of the Dems for a long time.
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sharkbokCaptain23,209 posts
09 Apr 2020, 01:41
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09 Apr 2020, 01:41#15

What is a long time? It seems that the rule of Democrats and Republicans over the last 30-40 years or so is even - so people gradually get gatvol of both...

Sometimes people want change, not because they like the alternative - but just because they are sick of the status quo...


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Apr 2020, 08:20
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09 Apr 2020, 08:20#16

"so people gradually get gatvol of both...

Sometimes people want change, not because they like the alternative - but just because they are sick of the status quo..."


The smartest and most original thing you ever posted on this board!

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Apr 2020, 10:20
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09 Apr 2020, 10:20#17

This is another hilarious comment from SB,  His analysis are seriously flawed since it does not take account of the other factors as well.  The DP in most states are totally dependent on the Black and Latino votes.  In some states that is a decisive situation.  Without the Black vote and the Latino vote the Democrats will lose virtually every state outside of New York, Chicago and California.  

In the 2016 election for instance 94% of the Black female votes  and 80%  of the male votes went to the DP.   In the case of the Latino vote 67% went to the Democrats,   That was enough for them to win in States with a high percentage of Black and Latino voters - for instance Colorado and Nevada.  These two categories of voters are not highly educated and has been used for decades by he Democrats as voting fodder,   In any event this category of voters make up about 22% of the total voters role in the USA.   . 

The other 78% of the voters are basically made up of White voters.  Of those about 67% is without College degrees.   So that brings the number of votes to be garnered by the DP in the College degree category down to 26% of the total number of voters in the USA from a White perspective.   There are also a huge Jewish vote in the USA in certain states like New York, Florida and California  and they vote 75% for the DP.  That destroy your so=called religion argument totally.  

The other story about the Rednecks is also a myth,  The working class Blue collar workers have been aligned with the Trade Unions for many decades.and the trade unions was a major contributor and partner of the DP.   This category of White voters made up about  52%  of all the voters,  Those voters let to the Democrats controlling the States of Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania and some others for decades.   However. these voters have found a drop of standard  of living and growing unemployment for 30 years after the departure of Reagan and both Republican and Democratic Presidencies were guilty of that.  Normally Democratic millions of voters sick and tired of the promises made by the various Presidents and the export of jobs to other countries in terms of the Obama trade agreements went to Trump.

So whatever analysis you came up with is fatally flawed.   The DP has alienated millions of voters through their skewed policies and the fact is that is why Trump won the 2016 election.  Will the "rednecks" as you call them go back to the DP that used to be their political home?   It happened after they voted for Reagan and then went back to the Democrats   In the end I doubt very much whether they will.  The DP has written them off and see the future as depending on illegal migrants whom they encouraged to flood the USA,  In many cases these people are fraudulently registered as voters and allowed to vote in DP controlled  States and cities.    That is why the DP favour open borders - which threatens the livelihoods of present Black and Latino voters as well,  

The problem with the DP is they have no real policies on anything.  They have the extreme left wing - who are the loudest voice with the aid of major news media and those are likely to highjack the Party in future.   Will they then be supported by their traditional supporters?  Remember the group with the strongest links to religion are in fact the Latinos and Blacks who are largely conservative Christians - a group which you describe as only RP supporters.  

The analysis you give and your deductions are faulty and superficial and does not take account  reality at all.                                    

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
09 Apr 2020, 14:16
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09 Apr 2020, 14:16#18

"The problem with the DP is they have no real policies on anything."


The "Free Stuff Crowd' -promising the have-nots the sun, the moon and the stars, but they deliver nothing and skim all the cream off the top for themselves while they are managing public funds poorly. Uneducated-mob-rule...the end.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Apr 2020, 16:09
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09 Apr 2020, 16:09#19

The Clinton and Obama Administrations did something that is reprehensible and extremely detrimental to the ordinary voters,   Without any moral principles they changed the Democratic Party drastically to the detriment of the longer term survival of the Party, They introduced systems  wide upon to corruption  and that effect Governance on all levels.

It was bad under Clinton - but even worse under Obama,   To stop investigation of  criminal activities in Government they appointed senior managers in the FBI and Justice Departments to prevent real investigation of corrupt activities in administration.   The most senior Party Members should have been instated and jailed - but the FBI effectively stopped investigations that would implicate the Democrat leadership.

It is  fact that for instance that they spied on the RP election campaign in 2015 and 2016 and the IG report on their activities indicated how they destroyed the most basic principles of Democracy in the process.   That was not all - together with the Obama Administration. Clinton and the DNC they co-operated to start allegations about how Putin wanting  Trump elected  as President.   That was a total lie and even the Mueller investigation - appointed to nail Trump - could found zero proof of it.  Fact is the DP became so crooked that they could not afford a person like Trump becoming President.

When Trump asked President Zelenski to look at the fraudulent activities of the Bidens in Ukraine - they panicked.   Not only Biden was under a cloud - Kerry, Clinton, Pelosi, Schiff, Podesta - Clinton's campaign manager in 2016 - and potentially also Obama himself could be n judicial trouble for corruption - hence the panic that led to the Impeachment farce,   

Recent reports indicated that the FBI is now at last investigating the Ukraine corruption scandal and that could lead to criminal charges against some or all of the above scoundrels,   But it goes much wider - it goes to corrupt deals with China. Russia, Iran, Iraq and a lot of other states.There are billions involved.
The hate campaign against Trump stemmed from the fear that they are going to end up in jail if he remains as President,   The DNC in the USA and the ANC in SA are both totally crooked.         
         

                             

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