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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Jan 2020, 11:57
#1
16 Jan 2020, 11:57#1

England 57 for no wickets. 24 overs gone. Looking good for a big score. 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Jan 2020, 11:59
#2
16 Jan 2020, 11:59#2

Maharaj has spun a few. 

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Jan 2020, 13:09
#3
16 Jan 2020, 13:09#3

74/1

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jan 2020, 13:28
#4
16 Jan 2020, 13:28#4

The run rate is very poor -  79 runs from 38 overs is just about 2,2 runs per over and represents a strike rate of 34,65.    

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jan 2020, 14:50
#5
16 Jan 2020, 14:50#5

Strike rate is getting worse - it is now 33.35 -  117/2  runs from 58 overs.    

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Jan 2020, 14:51
#6
16 Jan 2020, 14:51#6
What the fuck is useless Paterson doing in the side and opening the bowling What an insult to KG Piss poor call by Faf and no doubt Boucher
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jan 2020, 16:01
#7
16 Jan 2020, 16:01#7

I  think  Faf is totally clueless.   He stands in the slip at the same spot when Rabada and Patersn bowls,   Because he did not take a step up with  the mush inferior=paced Pattersomn came on, the edge Stokes hit to slip fell short of Faf,  Bad news that one.  

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Jan 2020, 16:04
#8
16 Jan 2020, 16:04#8
Paterson looks like he should be bowling in my local club side
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jan 2020, 22:13
#9
16 Jan 2020, 22:13#9

Are you sure your local club would take him - you better check, LMAO

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jan 2020, 13:40
#10
17 Jan 2020, 13:40#10
We are seeing our arses in this test and now we have lost KG for the final test
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
17 Jan 2020, 16:29
#11
17 Jan 2020, 16:29#11

Let's see how we go. Things though look pretty grim. 

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jan 2020, 17:54
#12
17 Jan 2020, 17:54#12

It is 60/2 and Malan fell off his wagon and so did Hamza - bo th failed on a dead pitch, 

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jan 2020, 18:58
#13
17 Jan 2020, 18:58#13
How many more chances should Hamza get? He should go down the order
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jan 2020, 19:23
#14
17 Jan 2020, 19:23#14

That English run rate certainly doomed them.....hahahaha.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jan 2020, 21:48
#15
17 Jan 2020, 21:48#15
Pope is such a good find for England 21 years of age and looks like a veteran Boy we could do with a few Pope’s coming through
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SebPro2,680 posts
17 Jan 2020, 22:47
#16
17 Jan 2020, 22:47#16

Ollie Pope is real class. Yeah I wish we had a few of his calibre.

Impressive stats for one so young.

Personal informationFull nameOliver John Douglas PopeBorn2 January 1998 (age 22)
Chelsea, London, EnglandHeight5 ft 9 in (1.75 m)BattingRight-handedRoleBatsman / Occasional wicket-keeperInternational information National sideTest debut (cap 687)9 August 2018 v IndiaLast Test17 January 2020 v South AfricaDomestic team information YearsTeam2016–presentSurrey (squad no. 32)Career statistics Competition Test FC LA T20 Matches 6 31 28 36 Runs scored 363 2,293 751 736 Batting average 51.85 58.79 37.55 28.30 100s/50s 1/2 8/8 0/5 0/0 Top score 135* 251 93* 48 Catches/stumpings 5/0 37/0 8/0 15/0Source: ESPNcricinfo, 17 January 2020


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Jan 2020, 23:40
#17
17 Jan 2020, 23:40#17

Have to agree on Paterson and Hamza, Dave, test cricket looks a bridge too far!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Jan 2020, 23:56
#18
17 Jan 2020, 23:56#18
Poor Hamza has been thrown in the deep end. Tall ask finding your test feet batting at 3 My guess is Bavuma will now return after getting 160 odd in a provincial game recently
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2020, 10:34
#19
18 Jan 2020, 10:34#19

Edgar and Du Plessis are both gone and the score is 71/4   The fact is that Nortje reads the bowling better in defending than the two mentioned idiots did.   Now the game is over and the test is lost  already,  

Get rid of all four top batsmen and  replace them asap,  Poor De Kock  is in the dwang again and he must be really demoralized by now,   

Bavuma may return and will fail again on test level.  

Smith and Boucher inherited shit and they would now be blamed for the disgrace.   

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2020, 11:37
#20
18 Jan 2020, 11:37#20

Nortje has faced 76 balls - more than Elgar did - and he reads the spin balls better than Elgar did.  What does that tell people?  

Van der Dussen is out with the score on 109/5.   This is ridiculous - clean up the swamp please.

        

BO
bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jan 2020, 11:54
#21
18 Jan 2020, 11:54#21
ouMaaik , score updates , as well as your knowledgeable input,  is appreciated. .Thanks..
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2020, 12:14
#22
18 Jan 2020, 12:14#22

Heaven may yet save the Proteas - it has been raining in Riversdale for two days and the fact is the rain driven by the North-Western is moving in the Port Elizabeth direction.     

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
18 Jan 2020, 13:09
#23
18 Jan 2020, 13:09#23

Yes heavy winds down here in the Cape so rain may help save Proteas. 

The Proteas side lacks class. Big rethink should happen after the serurs if things continue to go south as is looking to be the case. 



CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2020, 16:59
#24
18 Jan 2020, 16:59#24

They are back playing.  What a disgrace,   Nortje faced 132 balls - virtually two thirds of which from Bess - who took all five 5 wickets,   If a bowler can play him  can play him how the hell can a batsman not do so?   

No rtje is out after facing 135 balls - he was caught off the bowling by Stokes.


        

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2020, 18:21
#25
18 Jan 2020, 18:21#25
So Wanker you want to replace the first  four batsmen. Okay with whom? 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2020, 18:31
#26
18 Jan 2020, 18:31#26

Easy as pie - idiot speaker.   

1   Janneman Malan

2     Breetzke

3    Van Tonder

4    Verreyne      

5    Ackerman

They cannot be worse than the players already in the team.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2020, 18:50
#27
18 Jan 2020, 18:50#27

You never played any cricket...did you Wanker? Put these chaps in a test match setting and they will melt away like Hamza.

In any case our biggest failing so far is the bowling.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jan 2020, 19:20
#28
18 Jan 2020, 19:20#28

Well, our batting has been p!ss poor for a while now. Faf will probably retire with Vern after the fourth test vs Poms...Elgar owe us runs. Hamza should bat lower...we are just hopelessly out of sorts. They recovered some grit, but there's no quick fix for this rabble.  CSA left it too late.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2020, 19:33
#29
18 Jan 2020, 19:33#29

While the team struggled with Nortje, De Kock and Philander to get something out of the game, Du Plessis showed no interest in what is going on the field - he is sitting reading a  book. What a captain would not be that interested in  what is happening to his struggling team?     

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2020, 20:17
#30
18 Jan 2020, 20:17#30

And they did not struggle in batting Idiot Speaker?   The wicket went flat on day 2 in PE and remained flat on day 3.   Five batsmen lost there wickets when a very average spinner bowled.  A   bowler held out against him for about 80 balls in total and facing  a total of 135 balls.   

Melt away like Elgar, Marais, Du Plessis Hamza and Van der Dussen did you mean?  

At least the players I mentioned has the potential to develop further in future,  The above five has none other than going further down than they already are.   By the way the only batsman who showed some real fighting spirit is De Kock - a player you despise and wanted to be replaced by Klaasen last year,        

That is what I call a shit disaster - and a thorough house cleaning is called for - so bring in th new guys.    .            

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
18 Jan 2020, 20:42
#31
18 Jan 2020, 20:42#31

A few weeks ago in jest, I suggested that Bavuma would be appointed Captain of the "Marigold's" once Faf is fired.


Sure seems like a possibility now.........

Right political affiliations.

Right color.

Right he is not a test player.

Fits right in with what is expected.

Nothing.


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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2020, 21:33
#32
18 Jan 2020, 21:33#32

De Ock fighting spirit?  No, mostly just lady luck, dropped 3 times by Stokes....one has to wonder whether Stokes has a side bet on Okkie making a 100. He should have been gone at 30. Besides Ock was the player who surrendered the second test, when he and Dussen were well set.


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
18 Jan 2020, 22:23
#33
18 Jan 2020, 22:23#33

What about the rest - Snow flake?  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
18 Jan 2020, 22:41
#34
18 Jan 2020, 22:41#34

The Proteas are well documented chokers....but at least we were tough in our own backyard. Since the loss of Amla and Steyn the last vestiges of  that are gone. Ock is right at the point in his career where he should be setting an example. But as he has done through his whole career, he folded again in the second test.


I can't think of one test he has helped win  through mental toughness....he has scored runs, yes, but never when the chips were really down.


Sadly as I predicted the loss of the prior generation, although now inevitable, was going to be followed by something a whole lot worse.  Those clamoring for that change have been shown to be gormless.

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Jan 2020, 05:12
#35
19 Jan 2020, 05:12#35

" Sadly as I predicted the loss of the prior generation, although now inevitable, was going to be followed by something a whole lot worse."

Actually, I predicted the decline of the Proteas as far back as the last WC. I also predicted that the decline would last for at least the next five years, perhaps even longer.

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jan 2020, 08:50
#36
19 Jan 2020, 08:50#36

Mozart never accepted that the decline was evident in performances by the players he wanted to stay way past their "sell by" date.   Once players have one good innings and mess up in 6 or 7 you have clear signs that things are going downhill fast,  

Lets look at the performances over the 5 innings thus far played in tests against England:- 
Hamza                                   -      76   runs  -  average   15,2Du Plessis                             -       77   runs  -  average   15,4Markram/Marais                   -     109   runs  -  average   21,8   *Elgar                                      -     179  runs  -  average   35,8   #Van der Dussen                     -     185  runs  -   average   37.0   De Kock                                -     262  runs  -   average   52,4   +
Lets look at the above in more detail:- 
*    If the 109 runs made - Malan made 84 in one innings,   Of the other 4 innings played Malan made 23 runs and Markram made 22.  There must be serious question marks about Markram's performances after his failure in the prior Indian series,   In real fact both players are seriously questionable at this stage,   There was no stability at all in the case of that opener position,  #    Again a case where 1 good score (88) in 5 is already in evidence,   The other four scores were pretty poor on average - another questionable player.  Not as bad as the other three - but not good enough+   De Kock is not out in the present test - but 3 fifties out of 5 innings played makes him the only real deal in the batting department.   If he is able to hold out till tea time on the fourth day - there is a slim chance that the test could be drawn,  
Van der Dussen did quite well with 2 fifties out of 5 innings played - he is less of a problem than the 4 others.   
So where to now?   Like in the case of rugby under Meyer and Coetzee there was no real planning of a positive replacement programme for future players,  The England team has a number of under 23 players in their squad and they are making hay,   Amongst the SA batsman there are two - Markram and Hamza  and both failed,   England realized they have problems in the squad and they bring in youngsters - South Africa realized they have problems and they bring in 29 year olds and older.
Members on site talk about Hamza - but what about Du Plessis?   He was anytime as bad as Hamza was and was totally unreliable.   Is Du Plessis going to improve in future and the answer is an emphatic NO.  He prefers to read books while his batsmen are struggling.       
The idea must inevitably be to start looking for alternatives.  Even Elgar and Van der Dussen at their ages are not a sound basis to build on.  They may last for a year or two more and what then?
What worries me  more is what is already evident in the under 19 team of SA in the present Under 19 WC squad,   Why is the squad the weakest ever fielded by SA?  I think the problem is the fact that in provincial school competitions in SA no school provincial teams may have more than 4 White players out of the 12 squad members,  White kids have lost interest in playing cricket as a sport and the development of the game has gone out of the window.   Denny talk about a period of five years before a recovery is possible - I think the days of SA teams being competitive in World Cricket is gone and will not recover ever.  The sponsors are walking away from cricket and that is the surest sign of the demise of professional cricket in SA,                                               
CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jan 2020, 10:34
#37
19 Jan 2020, 10:34#37

South Africa lost 4 wickets with the addition of 1 run this morning,   It was a continuation fo the disaster already in evidence.    

DE
DennyCaptain12,893 posts
19 Jan 2020, 10:49
#38
19 Jan 2020, 10:49#38

"What worries me  more is what is already evident in the under 19 team of SA in the present Under 19 WC squad,   Why is the squad the weakest ever fielded by SA?  I think the problem is the fact that in provincial school competitions in SA no school provincial teams may have more than 4 White players out of the 12 squad members,  White kids have lost interest in playing cricket as a sport and the development of the game has gone out of the window.   Denny talk about a period of five years before a recovery is possible - I think the days of SA teams being competitive in World Cricket is gone and will not recover ever"

You've brought something to my attention that I didn't think of......if what you say is a fact then my belief of a 5-10 year recovery period goes out the window and that the decline will be permanent. They'll lose the current series which makes it the fourth in a row with not a win on the horizon. My only hope is that Bouch and Smithie won't be held responsible for the decline in our cricket and that they are not unfairly criticised because the entire blame lies with the ANC and its ubiquitous racist policies. CSA is just a puppet organization which rubber stamps that policy. The obsession to pick on race and that being black is a tick box and the only requirement is insane.

God help us as no one else can .

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jan 2020, 14:08
#39
19 Jan 2020, 14:08#39

There has been no cricket played since about 10:45 this morning and it is still raining.  The chances of rain today was given as 55% and there may be some cricket played.  The SA score 14/0.  The chances of it raining tomorrow is given as 67%.

It is still raining in Riversdale - the third day in a row - with a western wind driving the rainy weather towards Port Elizabeth,   It will be a travesty if the rain caused the test to be a draw,  

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Jan 2020, 14:50
#40
19 Jan 2020, 14:50#40

The game has started again and the score is 22/2  with Elgar gone for 15 and Hamza for 2.   

Du Plessis book reading has been interrupted and he is batting,  He egged he ball badly and it went for a four.    

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