@clevermike... Drop Amla

@clevermike

Can you believe he did it AGAIN!
I dont know why they just don't drop him.

Absolute token selection

I mean how can they pick someone who averages 56, scores a 100 every 5th innings and crosses the 50 mark almost every second innings... and has a strike rate of 89.85.

Utter rubbish.

 Ou Maaikie is awfully silent about QDK as well. 

 Look, I must say re QDK...
He is class. Perhaps his nerves r getting the better of him. But mark my words, before the tournament is over, he'll give us a few big scores.

He is too good not to succeed.

I think we all agree that de Kock is a talent but he needs to prove he has the BMT because so far in this tournament he's looked like a deer in the headlights.

Bat him down at 6 or 7 and if he continues to fail then we have no option but to drop him and give the gloves to AB. We can't afford a passenger in the semis or the final.

Think he definitely must come down the order...might alleviate the pressure on him...if he fails again, then it's goodbye...you're right cannot afford passengers in final stages.

Calling Mike...

FD
I never said a word about "dropping Amla" -  what I did say he was up to the previous not performing up to his normal standard.   He was back to his best today and signs look good for the Proteas.   
They are playing The Pakistani's on Saturday and based on performances thus far I would say that the same result could be expected in the game against them.  The game is being played at Eden Park and it may just rain sixes.   
Of the other players Du Plessis has recovered his form and Rillee Rossouw was again phenominal.   The only problem seems to be De Kock.   I agree that he has npot recovered his form after the injury lay-off and would think that they should move him to bat at no 5 - even though I think that it is a big chance to move Rossouw up the order - he is not really an opener even though he did make a century against the Windies in the Ellis Park ODI.    By moving him to open, we may waste a extremely valuable middle order batsman.
De Kock is a class act and he will come right sooner rather than later.   In the meantime up to now we have had centuries scored in WC matches by Amla, Du Plessis,  De Villiers, Miller and Duminy,  while Rossouw made two very fast half-centuries.   I do not think that they must fiddle the team by bringing in Behardien - whose batting is atrocious and bowling worse.
It was interesting to see what the team did today.   My idea is that they will not fiddle with the batsman, but will use Duminy, Du Plessis, De Villiers or even Rossouw to fill the fifth bowler requirement - and they may just enter the later matches with only four full-time bowlers.   I am not sure who of Philander or Abbott will be the fourth bowler.
Insofar as the batting is concerned - other than in the India ODI, none of the five centurions or Rossouw have really failed in other matches -  so I do not think it would be wise to tamper with the batting line-up.               

 Ok great. Amla is back in favour.
Yeah, i'd love to see:
QDK
Amla
du Plessis
de Villiers
Duminy
Rossouw
Miller
Philander / Abbott
Imran
Steyn
Morkel

Great batting depth and power.

Bowlers:
Steyn
Philander / Abbott
Morkel
Imran
Duminy / Rossouw / de Villiers (this is our only slight weakness at the moment)

 FD
Amla was not out of favour ever with me - fact is I was not overly impressed by his performances in the first two rounds of the WC - because of the difference between his performances in that case and his normal performances making him the no 2 ODI batsman in the world.
I do agree with you about the bowlers.   I would even add Du Plessis to the four players you mentioned.   The alternatives are too ghastly to contemplate.   The last time Parnell bowled he went for 87 runs in something like 7 overs and this morning the Behardien experiment also failed.   If the latter was of any use as a batsman - he might have come into the picture - but he really is useless in all departments of the game.  
If one of the full-time bowlers fail - the four players mentioned could do more than 10 overs - say Duminy 6 or 7 overs and the other 3 players 2 to 3 overs each and they could that way make up 15 overs with ease.
One wonders what is going to happen on Saturday with the Auckland pitch - remember it is likely the same pitch as the one used in the NZ-Aus game.   Maybe it would be a good thing - we can then see how our batsmen do on that nightmare pitch.                
 

 Nobody was talking of Amla but Quinton de Kock ??? Dropping Amla is tantamount of choosing  matfield

Dropping Amla is stupid even for Moronic Mike.

Mozart
One more warning about getting personal on this site.   If you can find any thread where I suggested dropping Amla -  you are welcome to do so.  So find it and if you cannot do so apologize or else .....   

 clevermike

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June 20, 2013, 11:13:21 bluebook

I am not sure of Amla on ODI level - he is no doubt excellent in tests - but on ODI a questionable opener - and then we have another opener that should have been at no 3 and is not an opening batter at all.

 @saf
Yeah he is out of form.
But i'd be loathe to move players around. Rossouw seems settled, as does the rest of the batting lineup.
I'd rather bank on de Kock finding form and leaving the rest of the order as it is (with Duminy coming in for Behardien), rather than tamper by moving players around.

 Chippo
I tend to agree with you about this one.  I think that it would not be wise to open with Rossouw - despite his century against the Windies.   He is a hard-hitting middle order batsman, which may be wasted as an opener, where on occasions he failed as well. 
Am sure that De Kock will recover his form - he is too good a talent not to and it would be better to keep him as an opener.   There are two rather "easy" matches coming up and that would enable him to recover form in any event.   He was caught off-guard by the way the bowler bowled in the last game - very wide in the crease - and besides that De Kock is used to the Pakistani bowlers and will be more aware of what will happen.   So lets be patient and see what happens.    
  

 
Saffex
 
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March 04, 2015, 11:18:05

de Kock is a talent but is out of form and therefore should drop down to 7 with Rossouw opening.......my side in order would be:

 

1. Amla 2. Rossouw 3. Faf 4. AB 5. Miller 6. JP 7. de Kock 8. Philander 9. Steyn 10. Morkel 11. Tahir 

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I fully agree that he has all the talent in the world but I am not too sure where he should bat right. I am also not too sure if it would be wise to drop him as low as no 7. What happens if we are in trouble and he has to come in at 7 and start hitting right from the word go? Wouldn't that force him to do the same that he is, IMO,  doing wrong at this point in time, i.e. trying to hit every ball out of the park, instead of concentrating and play selective shots?

Move Quinton to no 7...it's simple.

Seb that is what I would do for now  

 I'd like to see Quinton get one more shot to play his way into form before the drop down the order. I like Roussow where he is but I understand it may be necessary.