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De Kock to leave a scar opines Prinsloo

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2015, 00:38
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31 Mar 2015, 00:38#1

Other key fielding errors:

Quinton De Kock failed to collect a throw from Rilee Rossouw which would've removed Daniel Vettori. This was the easiest chance of those not taken and will leave a scar on the team for years to come, a team that prides themselves on excellent fielding.



....says Wade Prinsloo. Honestly I dont think it's that bad. The scars were already there. But I do agree this was by far the easiest chance that was blown. Never send a boy to do a man's work.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2015, 03:11
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31 Mar 2015, 03:11#2
 Besotted idiot - who the hell is Wayne Prinsloo - dofdoos that prompted you to start 2 threads on this issue?
Is he by any chance your new psychologist? 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2015, 04:47
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31 Mar 2015, 04:47#3
Mostly he is a member of the sane majority, who recognizes that de Kock screwed up. This was your big call, loudly and intolerantly made. This kid should replace either of the Protea openers . Well his incompetence lost us a shot at the CWC. And you are looking like the moron you are.
Never has egg been so deserved....but even that was not enough....you had to call a Protea victory while NZ were still batting.
Buffoon.
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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
31 Mar 2015, 07:00
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31 Mar 2015, 07:00#4
It would have removed Elliot, not Vettori.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2015, 07:40
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31 Mar 2015, 07:40#5
 I do not make De Kock a topic in virtually every post I write and that is a fact.   De Kock was not the only player who screwed up - pigsh!t.
Have you seen your psychiatrist recently - you seem to have an urgent need to combat mania.  
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Mar 2015, 08:02
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31 Mar 2015, 08:02#6
 Calm down ou maaaikie! You are taking things too seriously. You post some great stull but swearing and cussing is not what you are about. 
De Kock is very young and this will not matter. At that age you shrug it off very easily unless a complete basket case.
I blame the rain as undoubtedly 7 overs of AB would have settled the issue. Yes we made those mistakes but had the rain not come nz would have very likely have lost.Posting 350 or more on the board would have put HUGE pressure on the kiwis and it would simply hae been too much.
The kiwis after all lack cricket predigree. Hahahahahahahahahaha
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Mar 2015, 10:44
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31 Mar 2015, 10:44#7

Clearly cricket is not a strength of Prinsloo, whoever that fool is......if he thinks a misdirected throw that skidded was easier to collect than the hash made by AB in his run out attempt or better still the complete cock up between JP and Berhardien then he should do us all a favour and refrain from passing cricket related comments.......one certainty is that de Kock will carry no scars over that........he will have issue with his batting form in the early part of the WC and that's it.

 

The scars if any will be carried by Steyn, Philander and Amla.......the senior guys that failed big time and wont be contesting the next WC.

 

As for the majority believing it was an easy run out.....bullshit, that is the view held by followers who clearly know stuff all about cricket.   

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moolaaPro2,380 posts
31 Mar 2015, 10:58
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31 Mar 2015, 10:58#8
 What does "predigree" mean Hasbeeno?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2015, 15:30
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31 Mar 2015, 15:30#9

It's a term you don't give to a team that beats you.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2015, 19:04
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31 Mar 2015, 19:04#10
 There is a serious discussion on the issue of political interference in the team selection for the semi - but this narrow-minded twit chooses to ignore that discussion and carry on with his manic attacks on De Kock raised in post after post.
Can this idiot ever be taken seriously?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2015, 19:09
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31 Mar 2015, 19:09#11
 Quinton de Kock: 2/10

De Kock was generally sound behind the stumps, but his nerves gave way in the semi-final when he missed at least three run outs. He failed with the bat too; take away his 78 not out in the quarter-final, and his remaining seven innings amounted to a mere 67.


This from an Indian evaluation of all the teams

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Mar 2015, 19:18
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31 Mar 2015, 19:18#12
 Mozart
This story has been repeated continuously on the site and no new information has been provided.   We all know in exact detail what happened so if you have anything new to add - that may justify further comments. Are you a nutcase to repeat the same issues over and over again?
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Mar 2015, 21:48
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31 Mar 2015, 21:48#13
3 run outs what a load of rubbish. There was one chance missed and that was hardly his fault.
His keeping throughout the WC was very good. His batting was poor but he found form at the end.
His poor form was thanks to lack of time in the nets and middle due to his i njury.
The lad is a class act and will go down as another SA great by the time he hangs up his boots


 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Mar 2015, 23:32
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31 Mar 2015, 23:32#14
You obviously missed the two byes they ran on him in the last over. Look Dave this is just another one of your wild guesses. On the plus side the kid had some potent innings when he started. On the negative, he has dubious technique and is clearly fragile under pressure. Time will tell. What is certain he should never have played in that final.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2015, 10:06
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01 Apr 2015, 10:06#15

Moz no guess work.......we are not talking byes, we are talking run outs.

 

As for the technique, well against Sri Lanka, it was clear to see that there was no issue at all in that department.....the slight technical issues are only apparent when the lad is out of touch, much like all bats.

 

As for fragile under pressure, what rubbish......what is that based on exactly?

 

What is certain is that he should have played in that semi after his knock against Sri Lanka

 

The side selected for that semi was 100% spot on.......but only if everyone was fit

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Apr 2015, 14:17
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01 Apr 2015, 14:17#16
That is based on his only decent innings in the WC coming when they had a chase of 120 runs and a disinterested Sri Lankan attack....ie no pressure.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2015, 14:31
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01 Apr 2015, 14:31#17

That had stuff all to do with him being fragile under pressure and everything to do with him being out of form. He was out of form as he had not played cricket for some time because of the injury.

 

To suddenly make exceptions in the Sri Lanka game, a quarter final, something SA has never got past is weak......not to mention his own personal pressure to perform given how badly he had done prior to the QF. So to say there was no pressure on him is absolute rubbish.

 

He struck the ball beautifully in that game, reminding us exactly why the selectors stuck with him and why he will go on to be another SA great.

 

The kid is a class act and your anti the lad is poor form.......but given his talent he will be handing the egg out on a regular basis over the years to come......much like Miller will with you and Vlag.  

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Apr 2015, 14:36
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01 Apr 2015, 14:36#18
Sri Lanka opened with a spin bowler....they were disengaged. Dave didn't you see in the final it was Elliott scoring the runs, not Miller clone Corey Andersen who made zippo. Look for your mentally tough players like Faf and Elliott to come through in these big games.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2015, 14:47
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01 Apr 2015, 14:47#19

Oh so they were disengaged because they opened with a spinner......what rubbish, it was a QF, they would have given it their all from the start.....the only time they would have been disengaged is when the game was well and truly lost.

 

Last I checked Miller made 49 off 17 balls in the semi....so try again.

 

As for Elliott, well fact is, he has mostly failed as a player at the highest level - been in and out of the Kiwi side, because in reality he has never been that good.

 

He hit a purple patch in the WC and good on him - is he a class act, not even close. Aged 36 the guy has an ODI average of 35 and a test average of 10. Say no more.

 

Faf was poor in the semi, his strike rate let us down.

 

Yes he has guts, I give him that......but so has Miller who is far more talented a bat.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Apr 2015, 15:12
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01 Apr 2015, 15:12#20
Faf had to steady the innings....he had lost the two openers and Boult was on the rampage. If the rain hadn't arrived we would probably have scored north of 350. Faf's innings was exactly the innings we needed at that point. It freed Miller up to do a big slog.   
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2015, 15:27
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01 Apr 2015, 15:27#21

I have no major issue with Faf other than a little more rotation of the strike on the day......his innings frustrated the hell out of me.

 

As for Miller, well he only arrived with less than 5 overs to go, so his innings was going to be slogging regardless of the innings Faf played and boy did he strike it well.

 

Thanks to Miller we had a competitive score.......sadly our senior bowlers let us down defending that very respectable total

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Apr 2015, 15:31
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01 Apr 2015, 15:31#22
Sadly our wicket keeper missed the ball and the wickets....two can play at that game.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2015, 15:37
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01 Apr 2015, 15:37#23

No he did not.......he was positioned over the stumps waiting for the ball......the ball was thrown in underarm, was misdirected to his right and kept low given the wet field.....he had to lean around the stumps to try take the ball...so not only were the stumps in his way, the ball also skidded through......there was nothing simple about that chance. It was always going to be a swoop and hope for the best......we see it often on the cricket field at every level......mostly used when the ball almost yorks you when a fielder throws it in.

 

Yes it was a miss, but is was no worse than AB's cock up and the Berhardien/JP stuff up. 

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
01 Apr 2015, 15:58
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01 Apr 2015, 15:58#24
Okay Dave, if that's what you have to believe....be my guest.  
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
01 Apr 2015, 16:09
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01 Apr 2015, 16:09#25
I don't believe it, I know it....its a fact......I watched that incident a few times and that is exactly what happened.....had the ball been thrown over arm and correctly directed on a dry field, it would have bounced up nicely above the stumps and de Kock would have taken it with ease.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Apr 2015, 00:01
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02 Apr 2015, 00:01#26
 Dave, any international player should be able to catch a ball were it is actually thrown, not where it was supposed to have been thrown...eespecially a vertically challenged keeper. AND I also expect players to know the a hat 9998 , after the stumps were broken, you need to remove at least one stump from the ground to run someone out. What was AB trying? Total brain drain our best guys.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
02 Apr 2015, 10:32
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02 Apr 2015, 10:32#27

Well Draad if it was that simple he would have taken it would he have not for he is hardly struggling as a keeper in general.

 

What you seem to miss is the fact that he was hindered by the stumps.....so no you are wrong, for had the stumps not been in his way, he would have been able to take a misdirected throw with ease......but added to that, the ball skidded off the field as well.......so no you are wrong......I can see exactly why he did what he did with the swoop and I can see exactly why he missed it in the circumstances......the swoop method of taking a ball is always a bit of a hit and miss.........we see it often when a ball is thrown in and yorks the receiver.....in de Kock's case he used it as his was hindered by the stumps and could not get his body behind the ball.

 

AB's was more of a cock up......but that's cricket......JP and Berhadien colliding was just stupid. 

 

Three costly misses that cost us, but the real issue was the bowling of Steyn and Philander.......we should have easily defended that total with Steyn, Morkel, Philander and Tahir on board. Our 5th bowler was always going to be targeted in a big run chase......but Steyn and Philander let us down as strikers and containers. That is the primary reason we lost........but then again the revelation of the text message the night before is enough to demoralise and piss any side off......so our lads were hardly perfectly prepared for that game thanks to those ignorant, racist pigs back home who know stuff all about the game and who's agenda has nothing to do with sport.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
03 Apr 2015, 07:49
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03 Apr 2015, 07:49#28
 Moooo la la pedigree here refers to the fact that the kiwis have a dismal cricket record - barely above minnow status. Hence it would generally be unwise to back them on the big stage as they dont have a history of performing at the top level weith much success.
I warned ths iwas the case and sure enough in the final they blew out. 150 for 3 and 183 all out. A major choke for sure!
 So saying the black caps lack pedigree is of course spot on.
MO
moolaaPro2,380 posts
03 Apr 2015, 10:55
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03 Apr 2015, 10:55#29
 Oh, silly me....I thought you said "predigree" which has an entirely different meaning altogether...
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
03 Apr 2015, 21:31
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03 Apr 2015, 21:31#30
I don't think supporters of  a side that choked can really call the side that beat them " chokers". 
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