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Graeme Smith in ODI's since 2011

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Mar 2015, 13:08
#1
19 Mar 2015, 13:08#1

During recent weeks there was lamenting about Graeme Smith and how he happens to be seriously missed in the present WC.  Subseequently Ceradunce came up with seriously defective data on Smith's ODI performances in the 2011 WC and in all matches Smith played in since then.  


Smith played in the following matches and the following info is provided in respect of each match:-


*  Runs scored

*  Balls faced 


In respect of each tournament - series the foillowing is provided:-


*  Highest score

*  Total Runs scored 

*  Total balls faced

*  Run Rate


As a summary it is clear that Smith played in 25 ODI's - 6 in the 2011 WC and 19 against individual countries.


2011 World Cup


15 Februrary 2011 - West Indies  -   45 runs  -  116 balls faced

3 March 2011       -  Netherlands -   20 runs  -    57 balls faced

12 March 2011     -  India           -   16 runs -    39 balls faced

15 March 2011     -  Ireland        -     7 runs -    43 balls faced

19 March 2011     -  Bangla Desh -    45 runs -    86 balls faced

26 March 2011     -  New Zealand -   28 runs -    59 balls faced


Highest score in tournament indicated in bold


Total Runs scored        -   161 

Balls faced                  -  400  

Run rate                     -    40,25

Average runs per game  -     26


Other ODI Series


Australia in SA


19 October 2011           -    4  runs     -  3 balls faced

23 October 2011           -   57 runs     -  117 balls faced

28 October 2011           -   19 runs     -    60 balls faced


Total Runs scored        -     80 

Balls faced                  -   180  

Run rate                     -    44,4

Average runs per game  -     27

 

SriLanka in SA


11 January 2012           -    6  runs     -   12 balls faced

14 January 2012           -    28 runs     -  76 balls faced

17 January 2012           -    2 runs     -    21 balls faced

20 January 2012           -    68 runs   -    108 balls faced

23 January 2012           -   125 runs   -    205 balls faced


Total Runs scored        -    239 

Balls faced                  -    402  

Run rate                     -     59,5

Average runs per game  -     48


South Africa in New Zealand 


25 August 2012             -   9 runs    -  21 balls faced


Smith only played in 1 game this series


Total Runs scored        -      

Balls faced                  -      21  

Run rate                     -      42,9

Average runs per game  -         9


South Africa in England


28 August 2012            -    52 runs     -   82 balls faced

31 August 2012            -    18 runs      -   37 balls faced

2 September 2012         -   29 runs     -    86 balls faced

5 September 2012        -      1 runs   -       8 balls faced


Total Runs scored        -    100

Balls faced                  -    213  

Run rate                     -      46,9

Average runs per game  -       25


New Zealand in South Africa


19 June 2013               -    7 runs     -     31 balls faced

22 June 2013               -    68 runs      -   127 balls faced

25 June 2013                -  116 runs     -   190 balls faced


Total Runs scored        -    190

Balls faced                  -    348  

Run rate                     -     54,6

Average runs per game  -       63


South Africa in Gulf States - Pakistan


30 October 2013           -    20 runs     -     66 balls faced

1 November 2013          -    14 runs      -     56 balls faced


Total Runs scored        -     34

Balls faced                  -    122 

Run rate                     -      27,8

Average runs per game  -       17


Pakistan in South Africa


24 November 2013           -    12 runs     -     22 balls faced

27 November 2013          -        1 run      -     20 balls faced


Total Runs scored        -      13

Balls faced                  -      42 

Run rate                     -      31

Average runs per game  -       6,5


SUMMARY


So how did Smith do in ODI's during the period in question:-


Total Matches Played    =    25

Total Runs scored         =   826

Total balls faced           =   1728

Run rate                      =   47,8

Average runs per game played =  33,04

Notable scores   

     2 centuries     4 half centuries
The above indicates that Smith's run rate for an opener was way below par - scoring on average at less than 3 runs per over and on average making only 33,04 runs per innings batted is NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR AN INTERNATIONAL OPENING BATSMAN in ODI's.  
His run rate in most innings was so slow that even in one case where he did score a century - he occupied the crease for so long - the Proteas lost the match.  
It is with the above in mind that it was clear that Smith was not the opening batsman SA needs and his retention for this WC would have been an unmitigated disaster.           


     

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CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Mar 2015, 13:57
#2
19 Mar 2015, 13:57#2
  How typical of this lowlife skunk. Why don't you keep this on the thread where you started with you BS? Could this be because you have already made an ass of yourself on there? So let us recap on what you said on the other thread:


"Matter of fact Smith scored only 10 centuries early in his ODI career and 49 half-centuries in 194 matches played, with a batting average being 37,96.  His main problem was his rpo rate.  In the 2007 WC and afterwards that rate was never above 3,5 rpo and mostly 3rpo."
Those were your own words. These are the facts for each and every year since, and  including 2007:

2007. Number of games played - 26. DNB in one against Pakistan. Effectively played 25 innings.Runs scored - 1079Balls faced - 1171Runrate - 5.53 
2008Number of games played - 11. Runs scored - 492Balls faced - 578Runrate - 5.11
2009Number of games played - 13. Runs scored - 502Balls faced - 521Runrate - 5.88
2010Number of games played - 11. Runs scored - 328Balls faced - 384Runrate - 5.13
2011Number of games played - 15. Runs scored - 419Balls faced - 643Runrate - 3.91
2012Number of games played - 11. DNB in one against England. Effectively played 10 innings.Runs scored - 338Balls faced - 466Runrate - 4.35
2013Number of games played - 11. Runs scored - 291Balls faced - 400Runrate - 4.66
Now be so kind and show us were and when his run rate for every year, since 2007, dropped to 3.5 runs per over, let alone 3. It is easy single out one single series over an ODI career of 12 years, to go bash him about the 2011 CWC, just to try and save your own face. How typical of you to be trying your best to dishonour a player who has served us with distinction. He has overcome all odds and led us to the no 1 spot in tests. Three international captains retired "on his watch".
This is his stats summary over all CWCs. Remember that you have included two of the three that he played in, when you made your sweeping statement of his run rate dropping to 3.5 per over since 2007.
BattingInnings:20 Not Outs:1 Aggregate:747 Average:39.32 Highest Score:91 50s:6 100s:0 Ducks:0 Opened Batting:20 Scoring Rate86.36  BowlingOvers:26.0 Balls:156 Maidens:0 Runs:162 Wickets:4 Average:40.50 4 Wicket Innings:0 Best: 2/56 Economy Rate:  6.23 Strike Rate:  39.00  FieldingCatches:15 Most Catches (Match):2  CaptaincyMatches/Won/Lost:  17/11/6 Tosses Won:7 (41.18%)
Note his strike rate in CWC games, i.e. 86.36. That equates to a run rate of 5.18.
If you really wanted to see a breakdown of his CWC performances, you would find the following:
2003 CWCTotal runs made - 121Balls faced- 141Run rate - 5.15
2007 CWCTotal runs made - 352Balls faced- 361Run rate - 5.85
2011 CWCTotal runs made - 183Balls faced- 300Run rate - 3.66
I have conceded elsewhere that 2011 was indeed a poor year for Graeme Smith. You, in your typical lowlife style would of course use that to assess his entire career. 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Mar 2015, 14:07
#3
19 Mar 2015, 14:07#3
 Low life dunce
I was talking about the period from  2011 onwards and said that in that time Smiths's ODI career took a turn for the worse.   I never sauid anything about the period 2007 to 2010 even though in the 2007 WC Smith was poor in the play-off game as well.
Do you even know about how to calculate run rates of players.   When a run rate of a player is 46 - you said that he scores at neatly 4 rpo.   That shows your total ignorance and put you on par with Mozart.  If a player's run rate is 46, he is scoring at 2,7 runs per over.
He was not only poor in 2011 - he was below par in 2012 and 2013 as well.   He became a serious liability for the Proteas with his all too frequent low scores and totally unacceptable run rate.   That is a fact of life - stooge.      
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Mar 2015, 14:32
#4
19 Mar 2015, 14:32#4
 Let us just get the figures right here - because doffies is doing his own weird calculations:-

Total Matches Played    =    25

Total Runs scored         =   826

Total balls faced           =   1728

Run rate                      =   47,8

Average runs per game played =  33,04

Notable scores   

     2 centuries     4 half centuries
He said Smith scored 1028 runs in the period after the WC in 2011 and checking ALL MATCHES IN WHICH smith played in ODI's for SA - he scored 826 runs.   Where did he get the other 202 runs from - doffies?
You said he faced in ODI's 1509 balls - while he in fact faced 1728 balls.
So over 200 mythical runs added and the number of balls faced reduced by over 200 to make his hero's run rate seems acceptable.   That kind of garbage you can try elsewhere - it does not wash here.
 
 
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Mar 2015, 14:36
#5
19 Mar 2015, 14:36#5
 Try again, dwis. These were your words, and I have now quoted them a few times. Maybe you should read them slowly this time and try to  look at the year that you mentioned:
"Matter of fact Smith scored only 10 centuries early in his ODI career and 49 half-centuries in 194 matches played, with a batting average being 37,96.  His main problem was his rpo rate.  In the 2007 WC and afterwards that rate was never above 3,5 rpo and mostly 3rpo."

No  wait. Maybe I should repeat your entire post and highlight that part again:
clevermike
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 15680RE: The Dunces attacked Dave - when he said 
March 19, 2015, 03:05:39 Lets face facts - Graeme Smith when he started - was regarded as a top ODI player - but was soon enough found out and his scores in the latter part of his career in ODI cricket was very questionable.  It was under his captaincy that we went as low as 6th as an ODI team.
That slide - how did that happen when he was captain and a player in the team.  Poor performances should not be associated with good captaincy - a captain is supposed to set an example in performance and in that respect Smith came short.   He may have had some good wins as a captain - like the Ellis Park  438 test, but that is really too limited in number.
To tell me his bowling changes and field settings were better than De Villierss's is definitely tripe - as an example balls frequently go to where De Villiers suddenly before the ball was bowled placed a player.  Smith's placings were based on reaction, rather than foresight.   Nothing special.   Matter of fact Botha was proven to be a better ODI captain than Smith - but he did not captain SA in any WC tournaments.
Matter of fact Smith scored only 10 centuries early in his ODI career and 49 half-centuries in 194 matches played, with a batting average being 37,96.  His main problem was his rpo rate.  In the 2007 WC and afterwards that rate was never above 3,5 rpo and mostly 3rpo.  That made it impossible to score centuries in matches and his half-centuries became problematic since his low run rate made them costly for the rest of the batting line-ups - they constantly had to play catch up.   Although great test cricketers to have two batsmen with low rpo rates - like Smith and Kallis in the team - was part of the reason that - especially during and after 2007 - we started slipping in the rankings.  Great test players - but Kallis was a class player who filled a bowling roll as well, and as a batsman he was technically near to perfect - but mainly scoring at a slow rate.   For instance the last ODI half century he made was against Pakistan in December 2013, when he made 50 runs from 90 balls.
From an ODI perspective a combination of Smith and Kallis prevented us from ever be really competitive in ODI batting and it showed throughout the period 2007 to middle 2013.   We won two series in Australia with ease - but Smith and Kallis was not a combination in the team or was absent from the team altogether.
To summarize - a top captain said an all-round performance example - which Smith never did after 2007 - so how good a captain was he really?  No sentimentality - facts are the issue ehere and the facts are manufactured based on sentimentality - not reality.              


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
19 Mar 2015, 14:42
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19 Mar 2015, 14:42#6
 Answer my question doffies - if a player's run rate is 47 - how many runs did he score per over?   I did not bother to check Smith's stats after 2008 and the period up to the 2011 WC - because it was of no use in 2013 since he went down drastically in ODI performances.    
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Mar 2015, 15:22
#7
19 Mar 2015, 15:22#7
 @Mike. I used Howstat when I gave you the figures. I have now checked on Cricinfoas well. I will give you the links to the stats for each and every year from 2007. You will notice that the stats for the particular year is under "filterred". The "unfilterred" stats are for his entire ODI career.
2007Link for 2007 statsRuns - 1079
BF (Balls faced) - 1171SR (Strike rate) - 92.14 Run rate (calculated by using the equation: 6X SR% or 6 X SR / 100) - 5.53


2008Link for 2008 stats
Runs scored - 492
BF - 578SR - 85.12Runrate - 5.11

2009Link for 2009 stats
Runs scored - 502BF - 521SR - 96.35Runrate - 5.88


2010Link for 2010 stats
Runs scored - 328BF - 384SR - 85.41Runrate - 5.13


2011Link for 2011 stats
Runs scored - 419BF - 643SR - 65.16Runrate - 3.91

2012Link for 2012 stats
Runs scored - 338BF - 466SR - 72.53Runrate - 4.35

2013Link for 2013 stats
Runs scored - 291BF - 400SR - 72.75Runrate - 4.66
There you have it. Two sources. Exact same results. Want to try again?
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CeradynePro9,374 posts
19 Mar 2015, 15:36
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19 Mar 2015, 15:36#8
 clevermike
 
Status: Hall Of Fame 
Posts: 15683RE: Graeme Smith in ODI's since 2011
March 19, 2015, 14:42:10 Answer my question doffies - if a player's run rate is 47 - how many runs did he score per over?   I did not bother to check Smith's stats after 2008 and the period up to the 2011 WC - because it was of no use in 2013 since he went down drastically in ODI performances.    



    Still battling to wriggle out of your own balls-up are you? His run rate took a dip to just below 4 runs  per over in 2011 and then picked up again to well over four runs per over in 2012 and 2013. In fact, if you look closely his run rates saw an improvement from 2011 onwards. It did not go down, like you would like to believe. As I said it took a dip to 3.91 in 2011. Then it increased to 4.35 in 2012 and increased again to 4.66 in 2014.
    "if a player's run rate is 47 - how many runs did he score per over?"

    WTF are you talking about? That is like asking if a banana is yellow, how many toes does a  monkey have? And then you are trying to lecture me on calculating cricket stats. I cannot think of any player having a run rate of 47. That would mean that he would have to hit at least 7.83 runs off every ball for his entire career.
    Let's face it you are going backwards with this argument with every post that you make.




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    clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
    19 Mar 2015, 16:14
    #9
    19 Mar 2015, 16:14#9
     Ceradyne
    I do not know which games was left out and which games were included in the figures provided by you.  ESPN has a programme wherein they give the results and scorecard of each Protea ODI game played from 2011 to date.   
    I checked each scorecard insofar as Smith is concerned iro every game he played in -
    *   How many runs he scored; and *   how many balls he faced 
    I checked and rechecked the figures and there is no difference in the figures provided above by me. 
    Smith played in 25 ODI's during that period - and those were the 25 games I checked individually.   There is no way that Smith in that period scored the number of runs accredited to him and neither the number of balls faced by him as given by you above.  
    No let me ask you dofdoos - what is meant by a player scoring 50 runs in every 100 balls faced?  To how many runs does that equate per over?   If a player has a rate of 46 balls per hundred - how the f#ck do you get that he has to score 7.83 euns from each ball he faced.  Are you dim or just plain stupid.  The runs equated to 100 balls is used by all media as a determining factor of run rate determination.   Lets make it easy for you simpleton:-
    Rate at which a player score per hundred balls faced times 6 divided by 100 gives you the rpo rate of a player on average.
    If it is 46 per 100 balls faced - the average rpo is 2,7.  Work it out yourself stupid idiot - you may just get it right in a decade from now.   
         
    CE
    CeradynePro9,374 posts
    19 Mar 2015, 16:50
    #10
    19 Mar 2015, 16:50#10
     @Mike. Just open the links that I have given you, you bloody tool. They are the ESPN stats. You will note that I have made a filter for every year from 2007 inwards. Below the filtered stats you will see a list of every game that Smith has played in in that particular year. From there on you can actually view each and every score card in detail. I have been on the Cricinfo (ESPN) Statsguru more times that I care to remember and I know exactly how it works. You, on the other hand, do not seem to have a clue of what is going on. I have not omitted a single piece of data from any of the years that I have quoted.
    Each and every game that Smith played in, in each particular year, was taken into account. 
    I have told you that you are going backwards with every post that you make and you get slapped around every time but you keep on coming back for more. You are clearly confusing strike rate and run rate.
    What you are referring to, when you mention (for example) 50 runs from 100 balls is in  fact his strike rate. Fifty runs off 100 balls gives you a strike rate of 50. Now go look on one of those links and then check under strike rate. Let's take for example 2007. You will notice that Graeme Smith, for that year, had a strike rate of 92.14. That means that he has scored, on average, 92.14 runs off every hundred balls faced. That, my friend is what is  called STRIKE RATE.
    Now,let me try and explain run rate for you. Run rate is the average number of runs scored from every over of six balls that he has faced. If the run rate (rpo, like you put it) is not given, it can be deducted by this formula:
    Run Rate = 6 X Strike Rate/100. Therefore, of a player has a strike rate of 92.14, then his run rate is calculated as follows:6 X 92.14/100=5.528 or 5.53 (rounded).

    Got that?
    How do I get to 7.83 run per over? Let me show you. You asked me: 
    "if a player's run rate is 47 - how many runs did he score per over?". Easy. 47, because run rate is the number of runs scored per over.

    Now..... If you take his run rate of 47 and you divide that by 6, i.e. the number of balls per over (bar, of course any no-balls, wides, etc), you get 7.83333333 that needs to be scored off each ball to get to a run rate of 47.See? QED
    Now I think you should better take a rest before you confuse yourself even more.
    CL
    clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
    19 Mar 2015, 17:01
    #11
    19 Mar 2015, 17:01#11
     F#ckwit - you get around at least two what I said was the real rate a players career average and rpo is worked out. 
    There  is no way that if you add up the score in all games Steyn played in and add up his number of balls faced in each of the 25 games he played in that you get to the total figures provided by you.  Do what I did - check the scorecard on each of the 25 games - it is available on ESPN - and you will find the real figures.   There could be transcript problems and a mix-up with T 20 games in the figures you quoted  - but there is also mo way that all 25 games played was taken into account and that the right figures were ultimately used by you.   .      
    CE
    CeradynePro9,374 posts
    19 Mar 2015, 17:33
    #12
    19 Mar 2015, 17:33#12
    @Ou Maaikie
    Hahahaha. What you said about run rates and working out a player's career average? You have no fcking clue, mate. Not if you reckon that a player can end up with a run rate of 47, you plank. But, as I said, you keep on coming back for more;
    FFS Mike. Just do yourself a favour an follow the links that I have given you. The figures are all there. Just do the calculations.

    I am not going to go back to 2007 because Smith played in a hell of a lot of games in that year. I will use 2008 instead. It was only 11 matches in that year. Now, work with me and click on the 2008 link. When it has opened, have a look under career averages. You will note that there are two strings of stats. The one is marked "unfiltered" and the other one is marked "filtered". The unfiltered one is his batting stats for his entire career and the filtered one is for that particular year, i.e. 2008 in this case.
    Now, look a bit further down. You will note that there is a heading "Innings by innings list". That is all the matches that was included in the filtered data, i.e. the matches that he played in in 2008. Got that? Good. 
    Now for the next step. You will see the first set of stats is in respect of the game between SA and the West Indies at Centurion Park on 20 Jan 2008. In that game he was bowled for one and he faced three balls and he had a strike rate of 33.33. 
    In the next game he got 86 and he faced 107 balls. His strike rate was 80.37 for that particular match and his run rate was 4.822. Still keeping up, ou Maaikie.
    Now for the final blow. If  you add up all the scores under runs, you will see that he has scored you will see that it adds up to the total of 492. Exactly what I said above and on the other thread. Next you have to add up all the figures under BF and you should get a result of 578, coincidently, the exact number that I got. 
    Next step. Do this calculation to get to his strike rate:Runs/Balls Faced X 100. That should be 492/578 X 100 = 85.12.Can you believe it? That is exactly what it says under Strike Rate on the that page and, coincidently, it is also the exact same number that I have given you twice now.
    Now, to get his run rate for 2008. Can you still remember the formula ou Maaikie? Let me remind you.6 X Strike Rate/100. Let's test it6 X 85.12/100 = 5.1072 or 5.11 (rounded). Bloody hell!!! Can you believe it? It is the exact same figure that I have give you twice now.
    Think you can manage to do the other years on your own now, Ou Maaikie. If not, then give me a shout and I will help you.
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    DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
    19 Mar 2015, 19:52
    #13
    19 Mar 2015, 19:52#13
     Mike, not a great time for GS, but you must realise that he was coming back from injury quite a bit during that time, BUT I'm sure he still played a couple of match winners in there. He was the back bone of our team for more than 10 years and SA won't see the likes of him anytime soon. Great player in all formats. Best captain in the game for quite a bit, if not ever. The bloke retired too soon. I hope he returns to play a bit of test cricket. Show a bit more respect please.
    BO
    bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
    19 Mar 2015, 22:15
    #14
    19 Mar 2015, 22:15#14
    Ja Oumaaik, your rudeness towards many of our sports icons could induce some bad karma to flow your way .
    DE
    DennyCaptain12,893 posts
    20 Mar 2015, 11:47
    #15
    20 Mar 2015, 11:47#15

    Mike is a barefaced liar, he's had it in for Smithy from way back, I know, I still remember reading his crap.


    He also had it in for Fourie Du Preez after watching him in a single game at Twickers...I don't know if FDP had an off game but he certainly made Mikeys shitlist from thereonin. 



    Nothing worse than a prejudiced twat obsessed with his own BS


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