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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
16 Feb 2015, 05:57
#1
16 Feb 2015, 05:57#1

what is it that you don't like about David Miller?


To me he is one of our brightest young stars.....as a matter of fact I believe he has it in him to be the next best thing.

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Feb 2015, 06:23
#2
16 Feb 2015, 06:23#2
 Huge power and strong play against the WI....but this is the more relevant bit:
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Can he be consistent against the better attacks? It would be nice if he answer to this is yes, but  I'm still unconvinced. Still  I could be wrong on this one. We will know soon.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2015, 12:02
#3
16 Feb 2015, 12:02#3

Wow so the fact that it is blatantly clear that Miller has now settled into international cricket, has taken the responsibility of batting higher up the order with both arms, displays composure, maturity and great natural ability completely escapes you.

 

Why not look at the new Miller, the one that is no longer fighting for his place, who no longer is seen as a big hitter in the last 10 overs and as a result of that very role, would have lost his wicket cheaply going for the big hit.

 

Moz, its called perspective.......you get so much wrong when it comes to players both cricket and rugby.......add Miller to your list

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Feb 2015, 15:37
#4
16 Feb 2015, 15:37#4

Good points Dave but we will see in the tougher matches. The fact that he failed against NZ didn't fill me with confidence.

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2015, 16:20
#5
16 Feb 2015, 16:20#5
 He is not the player he was 6 months ago. He is now a settle member of the side......that makes a huge difference. He always had the ability, he needed faith invested in him......he has had that and more......and with that has come results.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2015, 16:26
#6
16 Feb 2015, 16:26#6

For you Moz

 

 For some of us it happens when we earn our first paycheque. For others when we spend it on something we can truly call our own. For David Miller, it happened at Seddon Park on Sunday when he crafted a century from the ashes of a top-order collapse. As an international batsman, that was the day Miller grew up.

 

Let's be honest, 83 for 4 is not a place you would take a child to no matter who the opposition is. It could be dicey even for an adolescent who may be puffed up with false bravado. What you want at that time is an adult and luckily South Africa had one in JP Duminy. Since developing into an allrounder, Duminy's value to the team has increased volumes but there are some things even grown-ups cannot do alone.

 

South Africa's middle order has previously lacked maturity, even when it was made up of some of the most talented batsmen in the cricket world. Miller, who is among that latter group, has changed that.

 

He was in to bat before Duminy, a promotion that appears permanent, with his team on 67 for 3 at the end of the 17th over. Miller seemed in the mood to get a move on immediately when he sent the fifth ball he faced over cow corner for six but Elton Chigumbura asked for it when his attempted yorker went wrong. But 13 balls into his innings he had to press pause because AB de Villiers had been dismissed and South Africa were in trouble at 83 for 4.

 

Instead of mindlessly mauling an unthreatening but astute bowling attack, Miller had to play a defensive, observant game which seems the opposite of his natural style. It took him 38 deliveries before he coaxed his first four through extra cover and he only breached the boundary again 15 balls later.

 

His half-century was scored off 56 balls, hardly sluggish, but only 14 of those runs came in boundaries. Miller was grafting hard rather than going big and in so doing he was growing. "I haven't played as much first-class cricket as I would have liked to, but I've tried to work with what I've got," Miller said. "I've tried to play as much T20 as I can in the off-season, which is the only cricket I've been given a chance to play. I've been working really hard in the last two years to try and rotate the strike and build an innings. To try and take that into four-day cricket would be ideal."

 

International duty has limited Miller to just 11 first-class matches in the last three seasons including this one but in that time he has played 82 T20s. Of those, 59 were spread across three different domestic teams and Miller averages over 40 for all of them. His 1073 T20 runs for Dolphins, his South African side, have come at 42.92, his 1,086 for Kings XI Punjab include a century and have come at 49.36 and he has 457 runs from 14 matches for Yorkshire at 50.77.

 

Although those numbers have come in a condensed form of the game, they are indicative of the time Miller has spent at the crease working on his craft. He has learned how to construct innings so that by the time South Africa got to the 40th over on 193 for 4, unscathed but moving slowly, he knew what to do with the 10 overs that were left.

 

It was not quite what AB de Villiers had in mind. "We were talking about 240," de Villiers admitted. That would not have been enough.

Miller knew that when he changed gears. "David got a sniff in the 40th and just got going," de Villiers said. "We've seen him demolish attacks before. To see that at the highest level is great. It just shows you where this guy is going with his career."

Power-hitting is how Miller first came to the attention of the national selectors and he showed why as he helped Duminy plunder 146 runs off the last 60 balls and 30 in a single over. Miller's assault on Solomon Mire in the 48th over was what separated South Africa from a spirited Zimbabwe in the end.

 

"It was very fun. I had worked very hard leading up to that. I hit the first one for six and the second for four, and then I said to JP, 'I'm going to get you on strike', because he was sitting on 90 with two overs to go," Miller said. "JP said, 'No, just keep going; just go with it'. There was still enough time to get his hundred. So if it was in the area, I was trying to hit boundaries"

 

All six deliveries were in different areas - full, length, short, on the pads, outside off and even just right - and Miller hit all of them. Mire lost his composure and Zimbabwe were deflated. The magic wand a finisher wields is not just his bat but his ability to make it do something so sensational it shakes the opposition's strategies and bends them out of shape. It scars them. It stirs his own side. It sends shockwaves onto the scoreboard.

 

That's what Miller could always do. But the question of whether he could do that after doing all the sedate work that's occasionally required beforehand was only answered when his maiden ton came up three weeks ago in Port Elizabeth. Then, he had no substantial support and South Africa's day ended in defeat to West Indies.

Although a first international hundred is always a cause for celebration, like most batsmen Miller enjoyed his personal success a little less because of the team's collective failing. This time it was different. Not only did his hundred help South Africa win, but it was a victory in a major tournament. "To follow up with this hundred is really satisfying - to come out and do it in my first game in the World Cup," Miller said. "It was a matter of getting the team out of a bit of trouble." Just like a grown-up would.

CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Feb 2015, 16:43
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16 Feb 2015, 16:43#7
 This was written by an Australian about the knock at the end of the SA batting innings:

"I watched the last 20 overs of the SA innings. Zim bowled a lot of tripe which aided and abetted the Miller/JP show - the boys played well but if you keep getting knee high full tosses on leg stump any decent batsman will hit them for six especially at such a small ground. Zim were gutsy but simply don't have the talent to knock over a half baked SA."
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2015, 16:51
#8
16 Feb 2015, 16:51#8
Ah of course, we have this twit coming along trying to devalue Miller, the same twit who said he did not have the credentials to make it......classic case of egg on the face  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Feb 2015, 17:05
#9
16 Feb 2015, 17:05#9
 I am not devaluing him and I never said that he did not have credentials. Your turn to come up with the evidence. 
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Feb 2015, 17:08
#10
16 Feb 2015, 17:08#10
Somebody will be right, but not until the knock out stages.  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2015, 17:48
#11
16 Feb 2015, 17:48#11
I cant be asked to trawl this site looking for the crap you wrote about Miller. I do know you questioned him and that's a FACT  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Feb 2015, 19:52
#12
16 Feb 2015, 19:52#12
 No sh!t Sherlock? That is rich coming from the clown who was demanding evidence from everybody when he was caught out bullsh!tting about his predictions.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2015, 20:47
#13
16 Feb 2015, 20:47#13
 Difference is you fucking prick is that there was no evidence of my predictions for there were nt any predictions. 
But ill have a little look re what you said about Miller you low life lying scum.
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FlashdakotaClub Pro798 posts
16 Feb 2015, 21:03
#14
16 Feb 2015, 21:03#14
There is no reason why Miller won't succeed against the best.
He has the technique and seems fairly headstrong which is a must for any international cricketer.
His fielding seems good as well.

@cera and saf, it would be unfair to judge his credentials over 1 or 2 tournaments.
He was great against the Windies but didn't have it all his own way against Oz.

The best way to judge a player is over a lengthy period... 2 or 3 years.

Now 2 years ago, Miller looked ordinary.
He looks 5 times the player now.

So who is to say he wont continue with his development?
He is still young after all.


In conclusion: let the boy make errors. Let him learn. But speak to any Allan Gray consultant. A good investment takes time to prosper.


SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2015, 21:06
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16 Feb 2015, 21:06#15
There is a big difference between Miller now and Miller 6 months ago. He is now a settled team member no longer fighting for his place. In fact the team relies on him given his elevation up the order.
The lad is a class act.....I want to see him in our test squad along with Rossouw and v/Zyl  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Feb 2015, 21:25
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16 Feb 2015, 21:25#16
 Saffex

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February 16, 2015, 20:47:21  Difference is you [removed]ing [removed] is that there was no evidence of my predictions for there were nt any predictions. 
But ill have a little look re what you said about Miller you low life lying s[removed].


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The evidence was quoted time and time again.



@Flashdakota.

"@cera and saf, it would be unfair to judge his credentials over 1 or 2 tournaments.
He was great against the Windies but didn't have it all his own way against Oz.

The best way to judge a player is over a lengthy period... 2 or 3 years.
That was what I did. I look at Miller's performances against others over his career, so far, and even in different batting positions as well. That was what I was posting and that is what Dawie Kabouter is now claiming to be my efforts of proving that Miller do/did not have the credentials. Fact is that he wanted him higher up in the order while he posted his best scores lower down.

Now 2 years ago, Miller looked ordinary.
He looks 5 times the player now.
That is true but he has only come to light now against Zim and against WI who have just suffered a new low against Ireland, after they came up against the Proteas recently.

So who is to say he wont continue with his development?
True. I am happy to eat humble pie if he comes to light in the rest of the tournament against tougher competition.
He is still young after all."

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
16 Feb 2015, 22:41
#17
16 Feb 2015, 22:41#17
Liar that evidence is yet to be produced you scumbag  
CE
CeradynePro9,374 posts
16 Feb 2015, 23:38
#18
16 Feb 2015, 23:38#18
 Yeah right. And my dad is the Pope.
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Feb 2015, 00:53
#19
17 Feb 2015, 00:53#19
 And saying Senatla caught an Eagles player from behind is telling the truth. It's a strange, strange world we live in Master Jack.
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Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 01:02
#20
17 Feb 2015, 01:02#20
I'm still waiting for the evidence of the bench.
As for Senatla catching a player from behind......that is true
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
17 Feb 2015, 03:03
#21
17 Feb 2015, 03:03#21
Look at your ...er ....recording. And Senatla caught nobody from behind.  
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
17 Feb 2015, 11:16
#22
17 Feb 2015, 11:16#22

My recording is long deleted and you are speaking shit, Senatla did catch someone from behind with ease.

 

 

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