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03 Mar 2015, 19:30
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03 Mar 2015, 19:30#1

"Dropping Amla is stupid even for Moronic Mike."


My comments were as follows:-


"If you can find any thread where I suggested dropping Amla -  you are welcome to do so.  So find it and if you  cannot do so apologize or else .....   "


I am waiting for your apology!!!! 

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03 Mar 2015, 20:14
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03 Mar 2015, 20:14#2
The 'or else' part intrigues me....think I'll just wait to see what you have in mind 
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03 Mar 2015, 20:41
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03 Mar 2015, 20:41#3
 You are a bloody liar - an insult to humanity - and a snake to boot.  I withdraw the last comment - it is an insult to a snake to call you a snake,  so I will confine my comments to you being snake sh!t.    I have enough of your lies and ideas that you run this Forum - and that is the long and short of it.

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03 Mar 2015, 20:48
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03 Mar 2015, 20:48#4

Moronic Mike so you are just going to rant....Hmmm not so scary. But while you are doing that consider this:

 

 

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June 20, 2013, 11:13:21 bluebook

I am not sure of Amla on ODI level - he is no doubt excellent in tests - but on ODI a questionable opener - and then we have another opener that should have been at no 3 and is not an opening batter at all. De Villiers and Faf were poor yesterday - but are reliable batters - so that was an anomaly. That brings me to Duminy - who also failed in batting this series.

I think the Proteas should look at their batting line-up for ODI's and start developing a player like Quinton De Kock as an opener - might not work out in the short term - but he cannot be worse than the present openers.


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June 20, 2013, 11:19:45 Philander, Steyn and Morkel would have made a difference, but our Bowlers were not the issue. Good point on Amla, in the 5 day game he is brilliant, but maybe he is just not suited to the shorter formats. Horses for courses.

 

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03 Mar 2015, 20:50
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03 Mar 2015, 20:50#5
 A catastrophe of sheer stupidity...
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03 Mar 2015, 21:04
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03 Mar 2015, 21:04#6
Oh boy.....  
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03 Mar 2015, 21:08
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03 Mar 2015, 21:08#7
 Where did I say they must drop Amla - you stupid old moron?   Idiot - what you quoted above was written years ago and was aimed at Graeme Smith before he was dropped from the ODI squad - not Amla.   There is no comment where I ever said that Amla must be dropped so a lie is being peddled by you - very normal to do that on your part.
We had an agreement and obviously you will lied about me breaking that agreement - but you are the problem on this site.  A liar and a bloody ignorant fossil.          
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03 Mar 2015, 21:17
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03 Mar 2015, 21:17#8

Then there is this gem.....you want to bat Amla at number 7 in the T 20. Has there ever been such rank stupidity?

 

 



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March 26, 2014, 17:00:26  AJ
I read an article in Supersport about the SA approach to  T20 games.  They clainm that the problem is we do not follow the world trend and select big hitters for that version of the game.  The one guy they mentioned was Amla - his run rate is tto slow for that version of the game.  
However, there seems to have been a problem in that regard.  Because of Amla's slow starts it puts pressure on De Kock and he hits out at balls he should not hit at.  De Kock is in fact the last player that should be considered for replacement - he had the second highest score in the SriLanka T20 game and the lack of runs early on against New Zealand was his downfall in that game.   
However,  De Kock was not the only casualty of that problem in the New Zealand game  He was quickly followed by AB and Du Plessis and later on by Miller.
I would start by changing the batting order - opening with Faf and De Kock, and AB and Miller coming in at 3 and 4, followed by Duminy and Abie Morkel, Amla and the bowlers.   
I would seriously think about changing Morne and Tsotsobe as well.   It does not look like Morne has adjusted well to sub-continent conditions yet.   However, they are playing the netherlands tomorrow and I think they should giove Morne another rin - he will recover his mojo soon and needs game time.         

 

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04 Mar 2015, 02:02
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04 Mar 2015, 02:02#9
 Snake Sh!t
Is the WC made up of T20 games?   There may be some truth in what I said about T20 games - in the T20 IPL series ythere was no bid on Amla by any Indian club - because Amla is not a T20 type of player.
However, the above is about the WC and there never was ever anything said by me about Amla being dropped ever - so your deceptive lies means nothing.   You are too stupid a fossil to actually lie about anything - because even if I say that perhaps in T20 Amla should bat lower in the order - it does not mean he is to be dropped from the team.
You are the liar on this site - the worst bloody insult to humanity imaginable.  
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04 Mar 2015, 02:24
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04 Mar 2015, 02:24#10
Amla at 7 in T20....you have to be kidding.....bwaaahahahaha!

And Mike I know you struggle with words longer than one syllable, but when you suggest a player may not be suited for the ODI format.....you are implicitly suggesting he is replaced. Confirmed by your later statement that de Kock  " cannot be worse than our current openers", which of course included Amla.
I don't lie on this Board, with adversaries as dim as you there is no need. My advice to you, stop writing so much rubbish, that should reduce the amount of trouble you heap on yourself.
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04 Mar 2015, 08:29
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04 Mar 2015, 08:29#11
Hahaha! Did I say that? What an idiot! Nice Mike, because of your feud with Moz my stupidity has been exposed! In my defence, Amla is generally more suited to the 5 day game, but on review, an opening batsman should be able to hang around for a long time, so Amla is suited to that position. Balance is pivotal in a cricket team, and looking at our batting line up, we have enough big hitters in the squad to eliminate the need for Amla to play anything other than his natural game. We saw a more attacking Amla against Ireland, but I think it is fair to say that is not his normal game. 
Here is a piece of advice, when you get it wrong, take it on the chin and admit it. 
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04 Mar 2015, 10:35
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04 Mar 2015, 10:35#12
 I cannot believe that there ar still people who think that Amla is not suited for the one day format. 
ICC ODI Player rankings:ID Rat. Name                 Nat.1 898 A.B. de Villiers SA2 849 H.M. Amla         SA2 849 K.C. Sangakkara SL4 847 V. Kohli         IND5 798 T.M. Dilshan SL6 789 K.S. Williamson NZ7 784 S Dhawan         IND8 734 A.J. Finch        AUS9 718 G.J. Bailey        AUS10 712 M.S. Dhoni        IND
BattingInnings:108Not Outs:9Aggregate:5616Average:56.73Highest Score:15950s:28100s:20Ducks:2Opened Batting:106Scoring Rate89.86
Amd then their are some clowns who questions his batting position as well. Ou Maaikie even tried to convince me that Amla used to bat lower down the order in ODIs.
Performance Analysis by Batting PositionPositionInnsNO50s100sHS  RunsAvgOpening10682820159559157.05No. 32100162525.00No. 4       No. 5       No. 6       No. 7       No. 8       No. 9       No. 10       No. 11       Overall10892820159561656.73





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04 Mar 2015, 10:44
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04 Mar 2015, 10:44#13
I can't believe Brendan McCullum is not in the top 10  
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04 Mar 2015, 10:54
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04 Mar 2015, 10:54#14
 Snake Sh!t aka Mozart
Amla is not even in the present SA T20 squad - so the fact that I said what I did is a reality.
But then I never said Amla should be dropped in ODI's - but apparently you are too stupid top realize the difference between ODI's and 20Twenty.
Hell that idiots like you are even allowed on this site is a miracle.  However, it must be to allow for serious entertainment value .      
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04 Mar 2015, 11:19
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04 Mar 2015, 11:19#15
Should we have another poll? Ja c'mon let's vote him off hey? ..watcha say?  
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04 Mar 2015, 15:17
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04 Mar 2015, 15:17#16
Well done Bloo....if I should ever be found to be wrong I hope I could  take it on the chin just like you! 
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04 Mar 2015, 16:00
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04 Mar 2015, 16:00#17

Blue.....Amla has a strike rate of 90 in ODI's and an ODI average of 57.......I think that is about all that needs to be said about him.

 

The perception that he builds a slow innings in ODI's is anything but reality. 

 

Its the same mistake made with a player like Miller......people will look at him and say he is a big hitter and therefore not suited to the test arena.......its so wrong....David Warner proved that.

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04 Mar 2015, 18:04
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04 Mar 2015, 18:04#18
Nicely said Blue...it's nice having the flexibility with these batting options.
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04 Mar 2015, 22:54
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March 04, 2015, 16:00:42

Blue.....Amla has a strike rate of 90 in ODI's and an ODI average of 57.......I think that is about all that needs to be said about him.

 

The perception that he builds a slow innings in ODI's is anything but reality. 

 

Its the same mistake made with a player like Miller......people will look at him and say he is a big hitter and therefore not suited to the test arena.......its so wrong....David Warner proved that.


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Hang on. The argument was actually that Amla is "too slow" for ODIs and should rather be a test player and if used in ODIs, then lower down the order. It was then that his damning ODI stats was thrown forward. Hash has indeed become an excellent allround test/ODI batsman, who can fire away and bat at a run or a run+ per ball, or hold back and slowly build an innings like when he scored the 300+ against England. Hash is indeed a very special batsman who is equally suited to test and ODI cricket.
As far as QDK is concerned. This is my view. It is not necessarily bad or a shame or a punishment or whatever to have him bat down the order. Remember that AB was also an opening batsman when he first played for the Proteas. In fact he had, in some ways, a similar start to QDK. The only difference is that he started off as a test player. AB opened his first two tests and was then dropped down to no 7. He (AB) opened his first 14 ODIs and at that time had a "mediocre" average of 15.79 with a highest score of 39. He was dropped down to no 4 for his 15th ODI and he got a 43 against Oz in Pretoria. In his next 15 ODIs he scored 8 X 50s and his average shot up to 35.73. 

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04 Mar 2015, 23:05
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04 Mar 2015, 23:05#20
 It would appear Mike never said Amla should be dropped from the ODI team. Is there a quote that says otherwise?

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04 Mar 2015, 23:45
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I cannot remember that he said that he needed to be dropped but we had quite a debate about his ODI performances. Ou Maaikie was definitely calling for Graeme Smith to be fired and replaced by QDK. Of course, I got the usual attacks when I had my doubts about the timing of getting QDK involved but that is another story.
Mike did try to convince me that Amla is/was not the ideal opening batsman because he bats "too slow". It was then when I showed him Amla's ODI stats for the first time and he sneaked away.
Whether he wanted him dropped from the ODI squad or not, he was definitely convinced that he should not be batting any higher than no 3.
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04 Mar 2015, 23:53
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The comment that de Kock couldn't be worse than our current openers....one of whom was Amla....isn't a vote to retain Amla. Nor is his comment about Amla being too slow for ODIs
Taken together the meaning is obvious.
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 True, Moz. These guys always make sure that they leave themselves a back-door open. Remember the predictions about the Bok losses?
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05 Mar 2015, 00:54
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Everybody has the  right to an opinion, nobody has a right to deny an opinion clearly expressed by a bunch of dodging and weaving. Look at Bluebok's posting above:" good point on Amla ( addressing Mike)....maybe he is just not suited to the shorter formats"
It's obvious what he took from Moronic Mike's posting.
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I fully agree with those who prefer Amla as opener. In fact I would keep all the batters in their current position, but I feel Quinton de Kock should have been tried out at lower in the batting line-up with Rossouw maybe opening with Amla.

 

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05 Mar 2015, 02:41
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Everythings working well in the SA XI except de Kock...don't mess with a format that functions, only deal with that element that doesn't...move Quinton to 7 on trial basis before finals...perform or get out.

It's so easy as I've said before , don't make a huge issue out of it.
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05 Mar 2015, 02:57
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05 Mar 2015, 02:57#27
Sensible suggestion, but Pakistan  is the only non final match where our number 7 is likely to bat. 
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Well, that's all...3 bangs at the job for a young man with potential...move him down the line is a generous compromise...what more can one do ???

No team can have passengers in any sport when it especially gets down to finals?

Quinton will probably get more chances than rugby players will, except Matfield who should never have had any at all, let alone wasteing field space at 38.
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05 Mar 2015, 08:53
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 Seems to me Mike was suggesting a dropping of Alma in the batting line up not dropping him from the team. 
De kock will benefit from playing down the order in my view.How about Faf opening or even Miller ?
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05 Mar 2015, 10:18
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05 Mar 2015, 10:18#30
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Now the fossil is still not responding to the issue of Amla not being in the recent T20 squads of the Proteas.   Is that too hard to grasp for this idiot.   But then one must accept that he does not know the difference between the 50 over and 20 over competitions and the performance requirements in those two versions of the game.
An utter idiot - but what else can one expect from him and a liar to boot .   
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 Call me pedantic if you like, but:
Batter/batters: Batter is a liquid mixture of one or more flours made with ground grains or soaked grains that are ground. Batters are used to prepare various foods.
Batsman/batsmen: n. Sports The player/s  at bat in cricket and baseball.
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March 05, 2015, 10:18:29SnakeSh!t aka Mozart
Now the fossil is still not responding to the issue of Amla not being in the recent T20 squads of the Proteas.   Is that too hard to grasp for this idiot.   But then one must accept that he does not know the difference between the 50 over and 20 over competitions and the performance requirements in those two versions of the game.
An utter idiot - but what else can one expect from him and a liar to boot.   



    .....and another fossil not responding to Amla's batting position............  
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    05 Mar 2015, 11:12
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    Vlag......what is that avatar of yours, or who is that?  
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     I tried to get it clearer at some  some stage but I couldn't. It's just a guy with a pint and T-shirt that reads: 
    I' m not an alcoholic. I only drink when McCaw's off-side. Let's see if this works:


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    Ah  
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     OK. Make that half a pint. 
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     Years ago when the Windies were in their prime they had a batsmen by the name of Larry Gomes. Off memory he batted first drop, I'd describe him as plain, nothing like the  calypso's surrounding him but he brought a dimension to the side which they obviously needed. So Larry would unfussed go about his business and before you knew it he'd amassed a healthy 50 runs or more. He dealt in 1's and 2's, Hashim Amla is far more cavalier in his batting than Larry cared to be, you won't find Larry's name in the record books like you'd find Hashim's.....the moral to this story is that batsmen come in all sorts of styles and present in different ways. Quite often they present in a way where fellow batters can score around them while the Larry's and Amla's form the glue/ cement upon which an innings is built.
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    05 Mar 2015, 15:04#38

    Er Mike I didn't discuss Amla as a T20 player....you did. Here's the post. Other than reproducing your post and commenting on how stupid it was, I have said zip about Amla and the T20....are you totally losing it?

     


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    March 26, 2014, 17:00:26  AJ
    I read an article in Supersport about the SA approach to  T20 games.  They clainm that the problem is we do not follow the world trend and select big hitters for that version of the game.  The one guy they mentioned was Amla - his run rate is tto slow for that version of the game.  
    However, there seems to have been a problem in that regard.  Because of Amla's slow starts it puts pressure on De Kock and he hits out at balls he should not hit at.  De Kock is in fact the last player that should be considered for replacement - he had the second highest score in the SriLanka T20 game and the lack of runs early on against New Zealand was his downfall in that game.   
    However,  De Kock was not the only casualty of that problem in the New Zealand game  He was quickly followed by AB and Du Plessis and later on by Miller.
    I would start by changing the batting order - opening with Faf and De Kock, and AB and Miller coming in at 3 and 4, followed by Duminy and Abie Morkel, Amla and the bowlers.   
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    05 Mar 2015, 16:30
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    05 Mar 2015, 16:30#39
    Are you going to apologize OOm, or just slink away like an old mangy dog with your tail between your legs? 
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