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Oz were too well balanced ...lessons for the RWC

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Mar 2015, 18:30
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29 Mar 2015, 18:30#1

The best strike attack, great fielding.....solid batting. And above all no selection madness like having no fifth bowler....and an overawed opener/ wicker keeper.


NZ deserved to beat the Proteas. They did very well. But the Proteas had more talent. A player like Taylor, perhaps even Elliott would not have made the Proteas team. So it has to be in the head, call it what you like, the Proteas bottled out.


What are the lessons for the RWC? Select competitors, the guys who want the ball in the last few minutes. Secondly don't assume form in lesser events will carry over to the WC, we were totally fooled by the West Indies series. And make sure all the obvious needs are covered....a world class goal kicker, a world class lineout jumper....halves who can control a game.



Many excuses are made for the Proteas, but they got it wrong. A fragile wicket keeper, no fifth bowler....a captain who allowed emotion to influence his decision making. It showed up in losing 3 of the 4 games we played against worthy opposition.


Let's hope we study the professionalism of the Aussies. WCs are won by men, not boys

CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Mar 2015, 18:52
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29 Mar 2015, 18:52#2
 Definitely won by men not players way past their best.   If a player under-performs on lower level - there is not s snowballs hope in hell that he would do better on test level.   That kind of myth has been discredited time and time again in the past.  Just make a study of all the WC and find out why no country has ever won the WC twice in succession.
The reason is that the has-beens are retained in the WC winning teams long after they are supposed to be out and they routinely under-performs in the lesser tournaments before their succeeding WC disaster.
With Meyer's teams election and his reliance on has-beens there is no chance of use getting past the quarterfinals in the WC - that remains a fact of life.
Anyway who are you to say who are men and not men?  Your idea about rugby is so stilted that you cnanopt think past players like a useless Matfield - who was a world class line out jumper and is now only taking a minimal number of line outs.   
And halfs that can control the game?  Then how come you support flyhalfs like Morne Steyn and Francois Steyn whose idea of control of the game can be summed up in two words "aimless kicks".
Funny the old dolt has to come up with warped ideas - since his knowledge of the game of rugby borders on the non-existent.
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Mar 2015, 19:42
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29 Mar 2015, 19:42#3
Congrats to OZ. Hard luck black caps. 
But of course, and we have to be honest here, it was a great pity the two best teams - OZ and Proteas - did not play in the final.Macullum and Guptil ran out of luck as I thought may happen as luck runs out. NZ were 150 odd for three and all out for 183. That represents a major choke of course.
A properly selected Proteas side may have won the CWC and certsainly would not have capitulated in this tame manner. 
The black caps lack cricketing pedigree and the event was simply far too big for them alas.
The rain cost the Prorteas what would have been a pretty comfortable win. 7 overs of De Villiers and it would have put Proteas out of reach - even given the wrong selections and any mistakes - mistakes always occur. Win by 1 run and they are ignored and the mistakes made by the loosing team and closely examined and lamented.
Ou maaaikie is this im polite rant really needed?
BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
29 Mar 2015, 19:47
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29 Mar 2015, 19:47#4
 Our kbbs friends have gone completely silent.What happened brycy?
MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Mar 2015, 22:50
#5
29 Mar 2015, 22:50#5
Mike has completely lost it. Unfortunately he is taking all this banter seriously. His little feeler is hurting.  
CL
ClaydogClub Pro691 posts
30 Mar 2015, 00:07
#6
30 Mar 2015, 00:07#6
Beeno I think you are 100 % correct.Turned out to be a pretty disappointing final but that's the way it goes. Well done to Michael Clarke on his retirement from the 50 over game. Aus should have a few good years of this format.
BL
BlikkiesPro1,526 posts
30 Mar 2015, 10:50
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30 Mar 2015, 10:50#7

I am happy Oz won, because I could not entertain the idea of NZ winning 2 world cups in one year.

NZ had better bowlers than we did, but they relied heavily, as the Proteas did, on one man to carry them ... and this time McCullum failed. OZ had by far the most balanced and in form team.


 

BE
Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
30 Mar 2015, 12:59
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30 Mar 2015, 12:59#8
 The Ozzies would probably have cracked under the pressure when we put 400 on them. 
The salient point is that the black caps lack cricket pedigree! 
W hat pity the rain ruined our chances and not for the first time either!

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Mar 2015, 13:29
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30 Mar 2015, 13:29#9

A fragile wicket keeper, what utter rubbish.....last I checked the Aussies had an opener in Finch who has hardly set the WC alight.

 

Reality is SA do not have a genuine all rounder and therefore had to make do with the likes of JP as the 5th bowler. Not a problem when you consider he only goes for just over 5 po throughout his career.

 

We lost the semi because two of the worlds premier bowlers in Steyn and Philander, failed to deliver......it is as simple as that......it had very little to do with our keeper and 5th bowler.

 

Steyn and Philander failed......had they been on song we would have walked the semi......hell most sides should be able to defend 298 in 43 overs, comfortably....especially when you have Steyn, Morkel, Philander and Tahir in the ranks.

 

You want to point fingers, point them at the senior players like Steyn, Philander and Amla on the day.....End of 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2015, 14:28
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30 Mar 2015, 14:28#10
 
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Mar 2015, 15:00
#11
30 Mar 2015, 15:00#11

Steyn and Philander lost us the semi and that is a FACT.

 

No-one can question their ability but they were piss poor on the day - FACT  

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2015, 15:24
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30 Mar 2015, 15:24#12

The lack of a fifth credible bowler, and fielding mistakes cost us. Steyn was struggling physically,  if Abbott was in instead of de Kock he could have bowled the last over.....and not to Elliott, he would have beebn stumped by a competent wicket keepr.

 

Having de Villiers bowl in the crucial last 6 overs was sheer madness, brought about by the fact Duminy couldn't be relied on.

 

It was obvious we needed a fifth bowler even if we weakened the batting slightly. But even that could have been avoided by simply dropping the frozen in the headlights de Kock.

 

Once again your young gun gloriously hitting sixes in the glowing sun strategy proves to be a fantasy....and a WC loser .

SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Mar 2015, 15:38
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30 Mar 2015, 15:38#13

Rubbish.....Steyn and Philander failed for the majority of their 10 overs......they were expensive and took few wickets. Their job is to contain and strike....they failed miserably......they are senior players ranked high up in the rankings......they failed.

 

de Kock was fine, he batted beautifully against Sri Lanka and was hardly beaten against NZ......Amla was not scoring runs, de Kock decided to attack....it did not work, much like Mc Cullum against Oz. de Kocks keeping was very good throughout the WC......that missed run-out had very little to do with him and everything to do with a misdirected throw that skidded in.

 

JP bowled beautifully against Sri Lanka and was no worse than Steyn, Philander and AB in the semi......its not his job to be better than Steyn and Philander.

 

We lost that semi primarily because Steyn and Philander failed with the ball, to a lesser extent because Amla and de Kock failed with the bat and to some degree because Faf had a piss poor strike rate and because AB, de Kock/Rossouw and JP/Berhardien missed out in the field.

 

The players at the top of their art and senior in that side are Steyn, Philander and Amla......they failed when we needed them to shine. Had they shone, we would have walked it.

 

The batting side did the job in scoring the 298 in 43......our bowlers let us down........our strike bowlers in Steyn and Philander......this is beyond dispute and not up for debate......Steyn and Philander lost us that game.

 

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2015, 16:48
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30 Mar 2015, 16:48#14
Precisely Steyn was injured and well below his best, Philander was undercooked.....that's why you don't play with 4 real bowlers....point made.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
30 Mar 2015, 17:29
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30 Mar 2015, 17:29#15

Wrong you play with 4 specialist bowlers and a good allrounder - if you don't have an out and out allrounder you play a more than handy part timer like JP as your 5th bowler. JP's record speaks for itself......just over 5 runs per over is not an issue....when will you grasp this very basic fact?

 

We never lost because of our 5th bowler we lost because two of our specialists were crap on the day.

 

If the coach and management team were stupid enough to select injured players then the blame for the loss rests with them.

 

Injury free, the selection of our side was 100% spot on......sadly some of our senior players failed us.

 

 

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
30 Mar 2015, 21:04
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30 Mar 2015, 21:04#16
Balls ....we lost with your formula....deal with it. You can't develop a strategy that requires everybody to fire, and makes no allowance for possible injury. 

There was a very simple solution....leave out de Kock. That way you get something and lose nothing. In fact without him allowing two byes in the last over and missing a dog simple stumping....we were in positive territory.
Once  again you deeply believed in an inexperienced youngster....and he flopped. Only this time it was a WC.
PA
PakieCaptain17,321 posts
30 Mar 2015, 22:08
#17
30 Mar 2015, 22:08#17
"de Kock was fine, he batted beautifully against Sri Lanka and was hardly beaten against NZ"

Haha, he was either getting beaten or edging everything in his first over. Beaten clean first ball, few balls later an edge through third slip for 4, then another edge dropped by the keeper running away for 4. "Hardly beaten"? He hardly knew w hat was going on.
SA
Saffolk Captain30,741 posts
31 Mar 2015, 14:49
#18
31 Mar 2015, 14:49#18
I'm talking about when he got out you clown....try wake up 
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