Draad opined bowling is our weaker point, the AAS said nonsense. What do you think is our weaker discipline, batting or bowling.
To me it's bowling....but please cast your vote.
Captain49,914 posts
04 Mar 2015, 19:56
#1
04 Mar 2015, 19:56#1
Proteas best ....Batting or Bowling....a poll
Started by Mozart23 REPLIES2,307 VIEWS· 04 Mar 2015, 19:56
Club Pro900 posts
04 Mar 2015, 20:12
#2
04 Mar 2015, 20:12#2
Bowling is weaker than our batting, but that doesn't our bowling is weak. On our day as good as anything else at the WC.
Captain49,914 posts
04 Mar 2015, 20:30
#3
04 Mar 2015, 20:30#3
Weaker is a relative term, not an absolute term...I agree. But I would say our batting is better than Oz or NZ....while our bowling is probably better than NZ but definitely not as good as Oz.
Club Pro900 posts
04 Mar 2015, 20:55
#4
04 Mar 2015, 20:55#4
Very true Moz , although I think Aus/Nz are on par bowling wise, I'm just waiting for Steyn to hit form and we'll be up there too.
Pro3,164 posts
05 Mar 2015, 08:19
#5
05 Mar 2015, 08:19#5
Australia...Best Allrounder side
NZ...Best bowling attack
SA...Best balance but batsmen outshining bowlers at present
NZ...Best bowling attack
SA...Best balance but batsmen outshining bowlers at present
Captain30,741 posts
05 Mar 2015, 10:59
#6
05 Mar 2015, 10:59#6
Bowling
Captain12,893 posts
05 Mar 2015, 13:04
#7
05 Mar 2015, 13:04#7
I'm not sure whether I care what the Aas believes having said this early in the piece, our bowling is a concern because my greatest fear is that we've become too predictable.
BTW I disagree with your statement that our bowling is better than NZ's. The Kiwi attack is awesome.
Captain30,741 posts
05 Mar 2015, 13:06
#8
05 Mar 2015, 13:06#8
Disagree, our bowling attack is the best in the game......Steyn, Morkel, Philander and Tahir are better than the NZ attack.
Captain26,388 posts
05 Mar 2015, 13:33
#9
05 Mar 2015, 13:33#9
In test cricket we have the best attack even though we don't have a top class spin bowler. This is not the case in ODI's. Although Morkel and Steyn are handy bowlers, they don't nearly pose the threat as they do in tests, although Steyn is still ranked 3rd. Philander don't do well in ODI's, especially on the good batting wickets we have seen so far in the WC. Strangely Tahir seems to be the best spinner in the ODI arena if you don't count Ajmal (which I don't - He's a pie chucker).In ODI rankings, we have 2 bats in the top 10, AB and Amla ranked 1 & 2.In the bowling we have 2 as wel, Steyn and Tahir, ranked 3 & 4.Not too shabby, but the edge must go to our batting. Sadly no allrounder in the ICC top 10 rankings, and THAT's actually our real big weakness. No players in the likes of Kallis, Klusener or Polly. JPD does well, but not a really top allrounder...yet.
Back to Steyn, he seems to need time to get riled up and he tends to hold back his best for the big occasions. Lets hope he can do so in this WC.
Back to Steyn, he seems to need time to get riled up and he tends to hold back his best for the big occasions. Lets hope he can do so in this WC.
Captain49,914 posts
05 Mar 2015, 14:52
#10
05 Mar 2015, 14:52#10
I'm not sure what you are saying Dave.....which is our weaker discipline in your view?
Captain18,117 posts
05 Mar 2015, 15:05
#11
05 Mar 2015, 15:05#11
Saffex, I wouldn't bother, this whole thread is just plain stupid. The self-important liar has manipulated what I said to make out that I'm comparing our batting with our bowling when in fact, what I was responding to was a comment of Draad's that bowling is a "weak" point for us (not "weaker" as Moffie Wormtongue implies) and that's what I disagreed with.
Just because I rate our bowling attack doesn't mean I think our batting is crap . . . yet the Wormtongue is trying to make an entire thread out of the fact that I think our bowling is better than our batting.
I suspect many of the cricket noobs (like Moffie) have no real appreciation of test cricket and they think this limited over stuff is what it's all about. It's no wonder these clowns have no respect for bowlers and bowling because they only know swish-klunk cricket like T20 s and ODIs. I bet there's not a team at this CWC (with the possible exception of NZ) whose bowlers have outshone the batsmen but that's the nature of limited overs cricket, not because bowlers have all suddenly become crap.
This level of ignorance happens when noobs like Moffie and his Servile Gimp Dense suddenly start believing they're cricket experts when the sad little losers have never actually bowled a ball or held a cricket bat in their lives.
Now, if somebody had to ask me what the Proteas weak point is, I'd say it's our lack of BMT in this particular tournament. That's the only thing I think will prevent us from winning it.
Just because I rate our bowling attack doesn't mean I think our batting is crap . . . yet the Wormtongue is trying to make an entire thread out of the fact that I think our bowling is better than our batting.
I suspect many of the cricket noobs (like Moffie) have no real appreciation of test cricket and they think this limited over stuff is what it's all about. It's no wonder these clowns have no respect for bowlers and bowling because they only know swish-klunk cricket like T20 s and ODIs. I bet there's not a team at this CWC (with the possible exception of NZ) whose bowlers have outshone the batsmen but that's the nature of limited overs cricket, not because bowlers have all suddenly become crap.
This level of ignorance happens when noobs like Moffie and his Servile Gimp Dense suddenly start believing they're cricket experts when the sad little losers have never actually bowled a ball or held a cricket bat in their lives.
Now, if somebody had to ask me what the Proteas weak point is, I'd say it's our lack of BMT in this particular tournament. That's the only thing I think will prevent us from winning it.
Captain49,914 posts
05 Mar 2015, 15:25
#12
05 Mar 2015, 15:25#12
Hahahahaha....now that's classic. I only know the swish-klunk of ODIs. Yep we watched a lot of that from the Members Pavilion at Western Province Cricket Club in the 60s.
Will somebody please tell this plank that the first ODI was not until 1971.
Kapow!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The foot shooter RooiAAS does it again. That's up there with Morne playing for PSG!
Captain26,388 posts
05 Mar 2015, 15:50
#13
05 Mar 2015, 15:50#13
Rooi, you are correct, I said bowling is our weakness. I was wrong. I should have said up till now, our bowling let us down in this CWC. Although we are a bit stronger in the batting, our bowling is not nearly as good as it were just a few seasons ago, but not a weakness, just not the strength it used to be. And you are right BMT let us down more than not.
Captain30,741 posts
05 Mar 2015, 16:43
#14
05 Mar 2015, 16:43#14
Weakest of the two is our bowling, which happens to be the best attack in the game......that's how highly I rate our batting side......if Rossouw plays ahead of Berhardien of course
Captain49,914 posts
24 Mar 2015, 19:03
#15
24 Mar 2015, 19:03#15
Well we have our answer....the highest run chase in a knockout game at the CWC. Our batsmen after the initial failures did everything we could have asked of them. The bowlers were handed WC glory on a platter.
Much is made of McCullum's hitting....but Philander and Steyn were poor at the start. Then we had the usual hide Duminy game which ended when he went for 12 at the crucial 184 for 4 point. AB bowled as best he could with his limited abilities.
Only two bowlers really took up the fight Morkel, so often under appreciated by SA fans and Tahir.
Still Steyn was given a decent chance to bowl us to victory. But two very ordinary balls giving NZ width put an end to that. We needed the fifth bowler. So now we will play the good loser routine an d that's fine as it goes but the mental errors under pressure continue to plague us.
Captain26,388 posts
24 Mar 2015, 19:16
#16
24 Mar 2015, 19:16#16
The biggest blunder was bringing in Vernon at the cost of Abbot. Abbot isn't that great but at least he was on form. Big Vern isn't a ODI player to begin with and out of form to boot.
Captain49,914 posts
24 Mar 2015, 19:27
#17
24 Mar 2015, 19:27#17
The biggest blunder was relying on Duminy as a fifth bowler. He was always brought on when the chances of being smashed were at their lowest. All that did was squander wicket taking chances and disguise his figures. AB should have taken the gloves and Abbott should have been in the team for de Kock. As it was, we left tons of batting on the park....Millier's dismissal was just last over stuff.
Pro1,526 posts
24 Mar 2015, 20:33
#18
24 Mar 2015, 20:33#18
It is still a mystery why Abbott was left out in favour of Hendriks. Politics?
It is hard to pinpoint why we lost, but I think our usually brilliant fielding let us down on a few occasions and then of course those maiden overs right at the start of our innings.
Overall I think our batters were better than our bowlers.
Our midfield batters like Rossouw, Miller and Faf showed growth during the WC. I hope AB can convince either Miller or Rossouw to take over as wicket keeper.
De Kock will never develop into an international wicket keeper because he is too small. How many times did we not see the ball flew right over his stretched out glove. He can also not stand closer to the wicket because of his length limitation and this means a lot of potential stumpings are impossible.
Steyn was a disappointment throughout the WC.
Captain49,914 posts
24 Mar 2015, 22:54
#19
24 Mar 2015, 22:54#19
Today the pressure showed more in the fielding and the bowling. I still think Miller will struggle against a swinging new ball. Of the young pop guns I have most confidence in Rossouw.
Captain10,129 posts
25 Mar 2015, 01:03
#20
25 Mar 2015, 01:03#20
Blikkies, our political masters decided that a semi-final was too big an event to flout the transformation guidelines .........the team misbehaved in the QF selecting a team ignoring the required racial mix, & to allow such errant behaviour to continue was a definite no-no .
These effing political idiots make these decisions & the sports administrators have to suck it up . None of them can openly criticize these clowns instead they're forced to pretend that the selection is merit based.
TV commentators, Warne, Atherton & Doull repeatedly questioned the absence of Abbott & they were dumbfounded by his omission . Graeme Smith who was sharing the broadcast at the time said nowt ...... wise enough to know that he could say sweet f...all .
These effing political idiots make these decisions & the sports administrators have to suck it up . None of them can openly criticize these clowns instead they're forced to pretend that the selection is merit based.
TV commentators, Warne, Atherton & Doull repeatedly questioned the absence of Abbott & they were dumbfounded by his omission . Graeme Smith who was sharing the broadcast at the time said nowt ...... wise enough to know that he could say sweet f...all .
Pro9,905 posts
25 Mar 2015, 09:07
#21
25 Mar 2015, 09:07#21
We cracked under pressure.
Panic set in and that was all she wrote.
Bottom line is we weren't good enough with the bat nor with ball.
Inconsistency and the lack of BMT as Redneck correctly pointed out is our downfall.
Coach57,555 posts
25 Mar 2015, 09:29
#22
25 Mar 2015, 09:29#22
Our bowling and fielding cracked under pressure and on the day Dale Steyn was abysmal and our fielding a joke in bad taste. The latter two issues were the main reasons for the loss yesterday.
Captain10,129 posts
25 Mar 2015, 10:00
#23
25 Mar 2015, 10:00#23
CWC.... NZ played 8.... won 8
SA " 8.... " 5
We simply weren't good enough, but hey,hopefully Grant Elliot the boy from Benoni can go on & achieve more glorious moments on Sunday in Melbourne .
SA " 8.... " 5
We simply weren't good enough, but hey,hopefully Grant Elliot the boy from Benoni can go on & achieve more glorious moments on Sunday in Melbourne .
Captain49,914 posts
25 Mar 2015, 14:46
#24
25 Mar 2015, 14:46#24
True. We played 4 top teams in this WC....India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka and NZ and only beat a Sri Lankan team that bottled out more than us.
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