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Quinty and spin

Started by Mozart21 REPLIES2,274 VIEWS· 31 Mar 2018, 16:33
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31 Mar 2018, 16:33
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31 Mar 2018, 16:33#1
This was the moment for de Kock to finally play a convincing innings. The Wanderers' pitch playing fast, no real pressure- the de Kock nemesis, and a disinterested Aussie attack with a toothless new medium pacer their best bowler. But the moment Lyon came on he was all at sea, could have been out half a dozen times. His poor footwork exposes him every time. As things stand he remains a liability against the likes of India with their spin deep attack.
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31 Mar 2018, 16:43
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31 Mar 2018, 16:43#2

Now we are back to the spin story - when will you stop writing about De Kock and start looking objectively at the other players as well?   Your constant harping on De Kock is really bad news.  

By the way did you not a while ago suggested that the replacement of Cook by Markram was not justified.   Since you have not repeated that jargon may I suppose you have changed your mind? 

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31 Mar 2018, 16:43
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31 Mar 2018, 16:43#3

Duplication

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31 Mar 2018, 16:43
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31 Mar 2018, 16:43#4

Duplication

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31 Mar 2018, 17:07
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31 Mar 2018, 17:07#5
I said the dropping of Cook was questionable given his stats were pretty good. I said Markram should be left to concentrate on his batting and not captain in the one day games. His form like Quinties' was very poor aginst India. He has only really recovered confidence in the last two tests and all of that hinged on Khawaja dropping him at zero in the last test. I think he is a genuine test performer....along with Rabada two new genuine talents. There now, are you happy?
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31 Mar 2018, 21:23
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31 Mar 2018, 21:23#6
Moz Funny thing you are. Have you checked de kocks record vs India in ODIs in India? It isn't too shabby. He also didn't do too badly against oz in oz last year. His record vs Sri Lanka ain't too bad either. I'd put this current slump down to lack of form. Don't be so quick to dismiss players (in general) mate.
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31 Mar 2018, 21:23
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31 Mar 2018, 21:23#7
Moz Funny thing you are. Have you checked de kocks record vs India in ODIs in India? It isn't too shabby. He also didn't do too badly against oz in oz last year. His record vs Sri Lanka ain't too bad either. I'd put this current slump down to lack of form. Don't be so quick to dismiss players (in general) mate.
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31 Mar 2018, 21:44
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31 Mar 2018, 21:44#8

Mozart  did not blame De Kock for the missed stumping - but what about the bee sting that  caused the problem?

Then two things - the Indians are not fools when it comes to pay fortunes for batsmen to play in the IPL and De Kock - despite Mozart's alleged shortcomings as to his inability to play spin bowling -  is one of their favourite byes.   So lets go further - De Kock went out today because he tried to increase the run rate - while he was betting Bavuma made virtually no runs.   He hit a   ball which he should not have and got caught.  

However, he made a mess of his thinking again.  De Kock made 219 runs in the series against Australia - many of which was when Lyon was bowling.  

However, the Mozart story against De Kock started years ago and initially De Kock would not be good enough against the Aussie fast bowlers.   Then he got onto the spin bowling issue when the Indians were in SA.  

The whole myth is about prejudice and nothing else.                

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03 Apr 2018, 05:52
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03 Apr 2018, 05:52#9
How many runs did he make against India this year. Chipp-ou a guy who calls himself Clever once told me to pick on performance today ie form, not reputation ie performance in the past. LMAOFY!
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03 Apr 2018, 06:13
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03 Apr 2018, 06:13#10

The above is the normal BS from the cricket ignorant Mozart in his standard hate campaign against De Kock which has been ongoing for five years.   When he does well not a word abou it - but one failure and the headings comes thick and fast.

There must be a real competition between De Kock and Du Toit as to the most threads started by Mozart in his BS campaign against them.  I think Du Toit is just ahead, but that is maybe due to De Kock having a poor season against India it dried up afterwards a bit against Australia when he got back his form.    

If there is good performacnes by Du Toit as is virtually  always the case  - the BSter find a reason for criticism - same with De Kock.   The whole show is prejudice mania coupled to age of sportsmen dementia.       

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03 Apr 2018, 23:10
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03 Apr 2018, 23:10#11
De Kock and du Toit have yet to make a difference in a tight test....both players are overrated based on actual contributions when it counts.
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clevermike
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04 Apr 2018, 00:33
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04 Apr 2018, 00:33#12

Himmell - this is unbelievable!!!!!!  

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05 Apr 2018, 14:17
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Let me put you in the picture about Wicketkeepers.   There is a list of wicketkeepers indicating the competency of players,   De Kock is on that list - but what is important is that all the players above him on the list are not playing test cricket anymore and only one is still playing in ODI's 

What it means is that at present  De Kock is the top WK in test cricket and the same in ODI's - and you wants him replaced for a flimsy reason you dreamt up while in a delusional state =- how stupid could that be?.    

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05 Apr 2018, 15:38
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05 Apr 2018, 15:38#14
A great player when the going is easy.....don't look for him when the pressure is on. And sadly it seems the Indians have totally figured him out.
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05 Apr 2018, 16:05
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05 Apr 2018, 16:05#15

Yet they are paying millions to employ him in IPL,   Why are you so intend to make stupid statements like you are prone to do?    

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05 Apr 2018, 17:54
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05 Apr 2018, 17:54#16
No I'm sure he's competitive in those slog fests.....but in the international games the Indians read him like a book. Familiarity breeds contempt?
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05 Apr 2018, 22:34
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05 Apr 2018, 22:34#17

@ Mike 

Quinty us talented for sure.

Though you gotta admit Klaasen looks to be a solid limited format performer who can come in late and change a game.

Tricky one as CSA have to keep Klaasen interested. 

Luxury problems I guess. 

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05 Apr 2018, 23:01
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05 Apr 2018, 23:01#18

Plum

I think that Miller must be careful - he may also bite the dust -  but my guess is that Klaasen may bat 6.   I also think that if Amla is replaced as opening batsman by Markram, the next problem is what to do about replacing Morne Morkel.    The dark house in this case could be Wiaan Muller -who could also be used as a big pinch-hitter earlier on - being at 7.

The bowlers would then be Philander, Mulder,Rabada, Steyn/Morris/Ngidi, Sharma/Maharaj  

Looking at the above there  may be a general acceptance  that 400 is a low score,  


 

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05 Apr 2018, 23:13
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05 Apr 2018, 23:13#19

Mozart 

You must go and see your Sbrink - you are seriously delusional  and from Mozartitis.  

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05 Apr 2018, 23:13
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05 Apr 2018, 23:13#20

Mozart 

You must go and see your Sbrink - you are seriously delusional  and from Mozartitis.  

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06 Apr 2018, 01:24
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06 Apr 2018, 01:24#21

"The bowlers would then be Philander, Mulder,Rabada, Steyn/Morris/Ngidi, Sharma/Maharaj"


"Sharma"? Do u mean Shamsi?....if you do u do, well he is not international standard and Morris is past his used by date. Proteas lack a good Allrounder and an alternative spinner of world class standard. There is talk about Mulder but I've yet to see him put in at a serious level. I hope they blood some young faces for the Sri Lankan tour.
Rabada's back problem is a concern, think they've overplayed him....it stuffed the great Lillee for three years. 


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06 Apr 2018, 02:25
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06 Apr 2018, 02:25#22

Sorry - I did mean Shamsi.   If not  him then Maharaj.   I think Mulder is a personal project of the coach - why keep him as 12th man if that is nor the case?

As you can see I am not sure Steyn would make it back into the squad,   Injuries kept him out of the squad for the past year - will he ever be back?  I frankly do not know - but I am sure Gibson have  back up plan.   After all Gibson is a really good bowling coach,

      

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