Rabada

Dave 

I said for a while now that Rabada has lost his bowling skills and is ineffectve as a result - he just  goes through the motion.     He needs some discipline and proper coaching, burt the spirit of the whole set-up is so poor because of racism  he will not get any help.   If they act against him racism would be shouted from the rooftops.   

Ngidi is even worse.   His bowling speed is nothing worthwhile anymore.      

Complacency...and despair in combo...the whole team needs a spark.

Yes we should select newbies like Mulder and Jansen 35 overs/110 runs/zero wickets. Boy did Boucher make a mistake not choosing these gems before this. Of course poor Jansen  had de Ock behind the stumps dropping catches,

Dave

lets face facts - when Rabada was bowling at 145 - 150 kph  he was a deadly effective attacking bowler/   What is he doing now?    The average bowling speds of the three so-called fast bowlers today was as follows:-

Rabada                 -      136,8

Jansen                   -      134,6

Ngidi                     -      132,8

That is not a fast-bowling attack - far from it.     The question has to do with coaching - which I think Boucher and Smith gave up on in that racist hell-hole they find themselves in..   They are not going to act to get anybody maintaining standards.   If players keep failing they would do nothing about it - because if they do anything about it they will be accused of racism.   

Jansen in my opinion is a bad choice - he is not the best bowler around and that is a fact.   However, he is a lefty - but not a fast bowler - he is at best a medium-fast  bowler.   

I do not think either of Rabada and Ngidi is fit enough to bowl at higher pace and the best way to solve that would be to get Donald in to put a rocket under their privileged arses - maybe that will wake them up.   .  .     .       

Mike you dumb arse….Dave said that Jansen is the future…..get with the programme. Of course he might need a wicket keeper who can hold his catches.

Did you see what happened in the case of that missed catch.   Elgin was number 1 in the slips and stood  way to far out to be effective as a catcher - and  De Kock had to dive to try and make the catch which would have passed Elgar - a poor catcher in the slips if ever there was one anyway.  

However Jansen was not the issue - what was the heading of the thread - it dealt with Rabada and branch out to other poor team selections.     All I stated is that Jansen is a medium pacer himself an he is not a fast bowler.    Instead of commenting about the dire bowling debacle and considering the reason for it you went off the rails again.   

He was moving to leg and was slow off the mark and then he just dropped the ball. Zero to do with Elgar, but nice try. If it’s in the WK’s reach he is supposed to take it….not drop it, For once even Ock was embarrassed.

The bowling wasn’t dire….it’s a dead pitch and there was no swing. You do know the pitch makes a difference?

Mozart

Did you listen to what Haysman said about the incident involving the catch and what he said about the bowling of Rabada - after the match he gave the breakdown I quoted above and it was dire.  The fact is the SA Bowling always centered around PACE bowling by the fast bowlers bowling at a pace equivalent to fast bowling.     Today there was NONE.    

He also referred to Nortje and said that in all tests he played in he bowled 508 balls at 150 or above kph.     What was missing in the case of the bowlers were PACE that should be used taking account the  other conditions.    That is where the problem lies. 

By the way the Indians know more about cricket than we give them credit for.   The top club competition in the world is the IPL and the salaries earned by players in the  10 week competition is not equaled anywhere in the cricketing  world.   Rabada used  to earn 14 crore (about $US 2,2 million) to play for Delhi and Ngidi  ($US 1 million) to play for Chennai.   Both was shown the door by the two clubs since they were sub-standard last year.  Not only were their bowling too slow - it was inaccurate as well.  Nortje was retained by Delhi - with his salary set at $US 1 million.   They definitely rate  Nortje as a bowler and lost faith in Rabada and Ngidi.

But then why do we argue - Haysman and others know nothing of the game of cri cket - Mozart is the real expert and nobody should disagree with him.    

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Two. Newbies doing nothing….more excuses….and for Ock, who made it into a harder catch than it needed to be, but was still something test keepers would have gobbled up 9 times out of 10.

I don’t hate Ock or the Duds or Lomp…..I do hate the dishonesty that says this was a reasonable catching  chance to put down or that Allende wasn’t culpable in the Pom try.

It’s not the balls up that most irks me….it’s the cover up.

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As for Mulder and Jansen, they look bog ordinary to me. I suppose Jansen’s height might create an advantage if he can bowl a tight line. But a guy like Ngidi, much maligned, looked so much more dangerous on debut.

Dave 

Rumor has it that Marco Jansen is a bowling all-rounder and Mulder a batting all-rounder.  Both are very young and inexperienced - so lets wait and se how they develop.      

Dave

I do not know why you differ from me on the coaching issue.    I have a slightly different view from yours - there is ion fact a total breakdown in actual coaching  - being it from a bowling as well a batting perspective.

I think the problem is that it is not entirely Boucher's and Smith's  problem.  I frankly think that the  racist situation has caused lackluster interest in the game by players and they are really not interested about the game other than going through the motion.   It reminds me of the rugby played under Meyer and Coetzee. - the players lost interest in the game. and became dispirited.   Aside from that the way selections are done is not encouraging competition for position in the team.     I can foresee for instance a player like Van Tonder and a few others leaving SA and ending up playing for England, New Zealand and Australia.    At present there is no investment in new players - it is just retention of poor White performers and  selection  on racial ground of  players  who would not see a club team in other countries.

The present system is basically sick  and is undermining cricket in SA .    I think that both Boucher and Smith is on the point of walking out of their positions  - nobody could ever fix the problem - namely the  racist hell-hole cricket has become..     

Mozart

You hate the dishonesty - but then when your description of incidents you quote on site is not a model of honest assessment - it is done in such a prejudiced way that is sounds like a farce.  

Fact is that I hate false  incident description and that is why I cannot stand the 99,9% cases you describe.   However  the case is clear now - you hate everybody who disagree with you.