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SMS on eve of semi-final enforced Protea quota selection

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31 Mar 2015, 07:57
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31 Mar 2015, 07:57#1

According to Rapport, an SMS on the eve of the semi-final between the Proteas and New Zealand enforced the selection of either Philander over Abbott or Behardien over Rossouw to meet racial quotas. The players, furious, apparently refused to make the change but was forced to by Cricket SA. 


What a massive disruption to the team just hours before the biggest game of their careers.

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31 Mar 2015, 08:15
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31 Mar 2015, 08:15#2
Pakie its an absolute disgrace and shows yet again how race obsessed the anc are - I am assuming it was them interfering yet again.
What other country in the world has to accept this RUBBISH.
It was a match deciding issue as well as one would have to accept Abbot was much more match ready than Philander and was doing well up to then in any case.
The picking of beeer harding and Phangiso in the squad was also questionable. Harmer is a far better off spinner than Phangiso. 





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31 Mar 2015, 08:43
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31 Mar 2015, 08:43#3
 I previously posted a report from timeslive on this issue - and the result was a complete denial by everyone of the SMS and the standard accusation by CSA that any instruction was given - with the slur that the story originated from the apartheid era thinkers.
It obviously is BS in capital letters.   Can anyone trust that Lorgat will ever tell the truth.   He was caught red-handed - not knowing that SMS's are recoverable.  This is going to be dynamite and there will be complications for the ANC as well.   
It removed any chances of a final virtually completely.  Can you imagine the totally negative impact of -
*  "De Villiers and Philander were believed to be furious and refused to play, but were forced to face the Kiwis at Eden Park";  and
*   The players, furious, apparently refused to make the change but was forced to by Cricket SA. 
This may have further repercussions on the issue of world sport.   The ICC may just view this as political interference in team selection on a ra cist basis - hence the panicky denials - and there could be international judicial processes as well.   
Time for Sis Madontsela to find out the truth of what really happened.  Hopefully it is taken up with her - she is fearless and will not be intimidated by the crooks.           
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31 Mar 2015, 18:53
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31 Mar 2015, 18:53#4

Correct Mike.


This quota ruling from CSA came from Haroon Lorgat, the same man whom India forbid to enter India or to attend any ICC meeting where India and Australia are in control of this council.  


I hope India will intervene o n this issue.


Dave Richardson is too slapgat to do something about this.


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31 Mar 2015, 19:05
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31 Mar 2015, 19:05#5
Why did the team have so little courage one wonders.  
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clevermike
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31 Mar 2015, 19:24
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31 Mar 2015, 19:24#6
 Hell and damnation - the idiot knows nothing again - one would think that is impossible, but it is with Mozart indeed possible to sink lower with every post he makes.
Look - the problem is the players have contracts with SAC - these contracts are legally binding and are in line with ICC norms and requirements.   If they refuse to play there would be serious legal complications.   Both SAC and the ICC would launch massive civil claims running into millions against players refusing to play and they would also face repercussions insofar as their careers are concerned.
I do not expect this ignoramus would understand the implications anyway.    

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31 Mar 2015, 19:26
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31 Mar 2015, 19:26#7
If they refused to play the other side would have caved.  
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31 Mar 2015, 19:32
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31 Mar 2015, 19:32#8
 If my auntie had balls - she would have been my uncle.   That is the big IF.  That is the same level of argument one could expect from this idiot.    
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31 Mar 2015, 19:36
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31 Mar 2015, 19:36#9
No it's not. There is no way these cowards would have taken this public. There would have been retribution attempts, but the team have world wide options. Sometimes it's necessary to act with courage. If all the facts are correct, this was such a time.  
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31 Mar 2015, 19:46
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31 Mar 2015, 19:46#10
 Are you seriously insane or something?   The players played for years to ensure their families and their own financial well-being for the rest of their lives and now suddenly they must put everything at risk through breach of contract which could entail -
*   massive civil claims against them running into hundreds of millions of dollars; and*   bans from the sport for years to come.   

Since you are not involved, it is as is normal on your part to make rubbish posts - so it is wrong to take this one seriously.
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31 Mar 2015, 20:00
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31 Mar 2015, 20:00#11

Which is why you joined the ANC no doubt. There was going to be no breach of contract. The team has the right to select the players on a given day. There is no legal prohibition on that. They could simply have gone on the park with the selected team. No contracts were broken and nothing would have emerged in the public light. Zero. These guys are even denying their own messages without any public pressure, they would have caved.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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clevermike
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01 Apr 2015, 01:23
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01 Apr 2015, 01:23#12
 The following really is the most absurd statement I have seen in a long time:-
"There was going to be no breach of contract. The team has the right to select the players on a given day."
Since when in the history of professional sport - do teams themselves select the team players/members?    Team selection is not the responsibility of the team themselves - it normally rest with the coach and a selection panel member travelling with the teams concerned.   The captain would be consulted but he has no decision-making power in team selection.  
So now the team is accused of being gutless by an individual who does not even know the basic principles involved and ignore legal fact - what a joke.
For heavens sake - what has my previous membership of the ANC got to do with the issues involved here?   Are you plain and simple the worst IDIOT ever on this site or are you only a spiteful little nincumpoop?      
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01 Apr 2015, 04:29
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01 Apr 2015, 04:29#13
 Oumaaik, seriously now, please use your political contacts & provide for us the email addresses of the Laggats & Fu kilie Mbahal us ........ our sports admin are unwilling to confront the govt re political interference, anyway there's a thin grey line between the two .............. I think its time for the fans to let them know what we think of their harmful meddling, both for the games we love & for the individuals caught up with their bollocks .
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01 Apr 2015, 04:57
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01 Apr 2015, 04:57#14
Funny that Moronic, here is what Neil Manthorp says:


"Traditionally the selectors pick the squad and leave the captain and coach to select the final XI, but that’s not always the case. And the captain, of course, cannot opt for one of his preferred players if he didn’t make the squad in the first place"



Lets just say "the team" includes anybody who was  involved in the original selection ....that group needed to stick with their decision. A decision they had every right to make, and had made.
Then this political message comes through, and after a bit of resistance, the collective complies. So the players who go on the field are not those originally selected if the reports are to be believed.
The alternative was for the team to hang together and say it was simply too late to change the selection....let the chips fall where they may.
It was an uncomfortable choice, but less uncomfortable than living with the knowledge of abandoning your fellow  players, your team, you loyal supporters...for the rest of your life.
 All these Protea team members will remember their compliance when they are old men. If they stood firm, there might have been retributions, but nothing public. These suits are not that brave.



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clevermike
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01 Apr 2015, 09:01
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01 Apr 2015, 09:01#15
 Fool's paradise.
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Mozart
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01 Apr 2015, 14:26
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01 Apr 2015, 14:26#16
In most countries a member of the opposition would now call for an inquiry into the events surrounding the Protea team selection.....a subpoena would be issued for all devices and testimony would be gathered. By contrast this is going nowhere it seems. Just a lot of angry hot air to be forgotten by the next braai. The perpetrators walk off with the satisfaction of acheiving their aims.
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clevermike
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01 Apr 2015, 14:48
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01 Apr 2015, 14:48#17
 Foeitog
How does the snivelling idiot knows whether anything would happen or not?
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01 Apr 2015, 14:56
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01 Apr 2015, 14:56#18
"Snivelling" now where have I heard that before. Not from Moronic. You can tell a lackey when he adopts his master's language.  
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