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Now, this imbecile Putin has killed two people on NATO soil, is he trying to start World War 3?
He will not stop his war in Ukraine and will continue to damage the world economy and political stability. 

Probably an accident, but after such a long war it would happen at some point in time

Hey troll, why don't you consult your leader Biden. He was mumbling that the missile trajectory didn't originate from Russia. 

Putin is bombing hospitals, schools and now all the electricity hubs to make Ukraine's lives a nightmare. Basically, he is a bastard, so if anything bad happens in this war, it is easy to think Putin is somehow involved.

However, America's intel appears to be sound, that it was caused by Ukrainians trying to defend themselves. 

Anyone who supports Putin is a degenerate of mankind. His allies are Iran and North Korea, and some of the backward Westerners - typically religious people. 

You just a troll talking shite on here everyday anyway. 

Trolling by highlighting Putin's atrocities?  While I deplore them, you cheer them on.

Somehow you claim the West is responsible for Putin trying to conquer a smaller country and committing international war crimes.  

Haha.....lets start on the atrocities committed by Nato

The Bombing of Albanian refugees near Gjakova occurred on 14 April 1999 during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, when NATO planes responding to Serb attacks on ethnic Albanians[1] accidentally bombed refugees on a twelve-mile stretch of road between the towns of Gjakova and Deçan in western Kosovo. 73 Kosovo Albanian civilians were killed.

Maybe you think Nato is exempt from committing  atrocities?

Funny how people want to belive some reports but not others as long as it goes along with hat they want to be true.

At least NATO had the balls to look at the facts and manned up when it appeared to a Ukranian missile not Russian

Bet you a dollar to a pinch of goat shit puti n would never have the balls to man up.

Glad it wasn't  russian last thing I want is a full blown war with Russia even if he is a murderous prick.

Still hoping that the Russian people will wake up and depose the prick. Be the best solution for everyone

So you're trying to say Nato hasn't been murderous in the past.You single out Putin but brush aside the last 30 years of Nato Crusades.What a biased idiot you are.

The Bombing of Albanian refugees near Gjakova occurred on 14 April 1999 during the NATO bombing of Yugoslavia, when NATO planes responding to Serb attacks on ethnic Albanians[1] accidentally bombed refugees on a twelve-mile stretch of road between the towns of Gjakova and Deçan in western Kosovo. 73 Kosovo Albanian civilians were killed.

Do you notice in your quote it said accidentally bombed refugees?

That's a key difference between NATO and Russia. NATO has in the past unintentionally killed innocent people. Russia is deliberately killing innocent people on a far larger scale.

But even if NATO did commit atrocities in the past and lets say even if they did intentionally, that in no way makes it okay for Russia to do what its currently doing.

For a purpose who likes talking about how atheists have no morals I strongly suspect the average atheist has far more morals than you do.

Never said Nato and especially America has clean hands. Care to point out where I stated this.

I am commenting on the Russian invasion of another country, that's what this thread is about.

Never supported America's invasion of Iraq or any of their other numerous wars.

Amazing how many people support a totalitarian state as long it suits their beliefs.

I will be laughing my arse off if you lot ever find yourself in a state where you are on the otherside of those in power. Then you won't be so keen to see such a state.

Only thing is if that happens the innocent will have to suffer along with you pricks

Stav you mentioned Russians torturing prisoners, a UN official stated both sides are doing such both sides are torturing prisoners.I don't doubt that with Putin being ex KGB that they're torturing prisoners,but you need to man up and understand what happens in war happens on both sides.

Now Nato Crusader mentions Afganistan and forgets the USA invasion there,conveniently.

Are you a complete moron, did I not state I did not support their other wars which anyone with half a brain would presume that cover Afghanistan  as well.

Last war America I supported in full was WW11.

America is responsible for half the troubles in the world since then but that does not excuse putin from his current mass murder simply because other states have done wrong.

Bloody keyboard warriors like you are half the reason the world continues to have issues.

The day cunts like you let go of your hate the world will be a vastly better place

Funny how all the Christians on here are all so full of hate of others which is supposidly the complete opposite of the supposid teachings of the imaginery god they follow.

The hypocrisy astounds me. 

Wow! Nato Crusader must be in his nineties if he supported the 2nd World War in full,incredible.
Him and Biden have much in common.Now he's a Nato Crusader,fighting for the right cause ,fighting for Zelensky.

"Funny how all the Christians on here are all so full of hate of others which is supposidly the complete opposite of the supposid teachings of the imaginery god they follow.

The hypocrisy astounds me. "

Really?  I come across as hateful?...sorry you perceive it like that...I'm a pacifist and an advocate for personal freedoms...I'm against Putin's war, but I believe Nato's meddling played a huge part in his decision to invade...not enough to excuse him for it, that's all on him, but there's more to this than what's being reported.

AND, my biggest gripe, NATO is more than happy to let this proxy war continue...I see no effort to end this...it's like they want the war...

Stav you mentioned Russians torturing prisoners, a UN official stated both sides are doing suchboth sides are torturing prisoners.

I wasn't aware of that, but having checked this you are right the UN have stated that.

Firstly I condemn any form of torture regardless of who the perpetrator is, Ukrainian or Russia or any foreign fighters partaking in the conflict.

Having said that, the UN does draw a distinction between the two sides in that they described torture of Ukrainian prisoners by Russian forces as "fairly systematic" while Ukrainian torture of Russian prisoners was described as "not systematic"

Now I can understand in combat one side or both might want to take revenge on the enemy and that individuals or individual units can take it upon themselves to commit war crimes, that doesn't make it okay but there is a major difference between individual/individual units committing war crimes compared to when a conscious decision by military and political leaders to order the forces under their command to commit war crimes on a large scale in order to achieve their military goals.

.I don't doubt that with Putin being ex KGB that they're torturing prisoners,but you need to man up and understand what happens in war happens on both sides.

With that viewpoint you could just as easily I just need to man up to what the Nazi's did during WWII. It happens on both sides.

Sorry dradd didn't mean to include you amongst the rest, of all posters on this site I think we have the most in common. It seems there are very few that holds a middle ground.

but there's more to this than what's being reported.

Such as?

AND, my biggest gripe, NATO is more than happy to let this proxy war continue...I see no effort to end this...it's like they want the war...

If you're going to criticize NATO, then tell me how should they end the war. Whats your proposal?

So NATO must get end support to Ukraine so it can get crushed in order to end the war.
Why didn't we think of that before?
I will phone NATO tomorrow and suggest the idea to them... 

So Draad, not much hate, but you have no empathy to see it from the perspective of the opposite side. How dare Ukraine try to defend itself, and cause a global inflation crisis? 
And how dare NATO offer them weapons to defend their nation's independence?

You do have an underlying hate for the West that determines how you perceive the politics.

"You do have an underlying hate for the West that determines how you perceive the politics." 

Sharkblik  has underlying hatred for God that poisons his entire mindset. He compensates by joining the Nato Crusaders war against Russia. Then when he's on another forum he argues against the Crusades. 

I don't hate God, what I don't like is people thinking they are God's master race. 
I certainly don't believe in your God. You are confused to think that if a heaven existed, only people from one religion would go to heaven.

Everyone else including animals species would have no afterlife, what a joke. A dolphin or a chimpanzee would have more chance of an afterlife than you. 

God is in heaven... Psalm11v4

The God you serve in your earthly self God...call it what you want. Putin, Zelensky, Sharkblik are all sinners, no linguistics is gonna change that fact. 

"So NATO must get end support to Ukraine so it can get crushed in order to end the war."  Never said that.

SB

You are the chief supporter of people who think themselves as the Master Race.   An easy example is to call everyone not supporting your crazy ideas "Rednecks" - ie according to you uneducated working people.    Nobody else refer to opponents of your favorite regime to anything - you do the opposite.  

On the whole you started off with a lie on this topic.   I can tell you what really happened.   The US provided second-hand equipment to the Ukrainians - who are not properly trained and experienced to use the weaponry.     They obviously had a mishap in this case or the age d rocket itself went awry and hit Poland.                          

One major sinister angle are the arms manufacturers and they've found their sacrificial lamb in the Ukrainian soldiers.Who wants war more than them? 

 If Nato allowed Ukraine to join fully now then they would have to send their own Nato men to the frontline, so Nato is the coward.

Let the sl avs donder each other up while we fill our pockets, that's why the gas pipelines were blown the day after protests in Germany. 

I am like Draad for peace all over the world and stability through reaching through a peace agreement in Ukraine.

However, the problem is not really NATO - it really relates to kickbacks and corruption amongst US Politicians and that include both Democrats and Republicans.    The more they promote the war the more you can be 100% sure they are getting funds through corruption and bribery.  

One of the consequences in the election is that the Democrats lost their majority in the House.   Even a number of Democrats got re-elected after promising the voters that they would not support the Biden crazy policies and one of those will be the encouragement of the war in Ukraine.   Biden and his advisors are now making sounds as if they will start endorsing the implementation of the Minsk agreement that the Democrats in the past sabotaged.  That will end the war and warmongering.   

Unfortunately the corrupt members of the House and Senate like Pelosi, Schiff, Schumer and Menendez are still in the two institutions and if they can help it the pestilence of corruption will continue.

I suspect a cease fire will be reached soon and thereafter peace negotiations will commence.        

One major sinister angle are the arms manufacturers and they've found their sacrificial lamb in the Ukrainian soldiers.Who wants war more than them?

Valdimir Putin.

If Nato allowed Ukraine to join fully now then they would have to send their own Nato men to the frontline, so Nato is the coward.

Russia attacked Ukraine, the smaller and militarily weaker country, it did not dare not attack a Nato country, therefore Russia is both a bully and a coward.

Let the slavs donder each other up while we fill our pockets, that's why the gas pipelines were blown the day after protests in Germany.

And you non atheists are supposed to the be the moral ones?

So we scroll back 60 years to the Cuban missile crisis. The yanks said they would bomb the island if Russia installed their missiles their.

Now the Russians are the bad boys because they don't want USA on their doorstep. You ignorant wank ers much catch a wake-up. 

So we scroll back 60 years to the Cuban missile crisis. The yanks said they would bomb the island if Russia installed their missiles their.

Now the Russians are the bad boys because they don't want USA on their doorstep. You ignorant wank ers much catch a wake-up. 

So we scroll back 60 years to the Cuban missile crisis. The yanks said they would bomb the island if Russia installed their missiles their.

But the difference is that there was actually nuclear weapons being to deployed to Cuba by the Soviet Union and it would later turn out that nuclear warheads where already on Cuba by the time the Cuban missile crisis started.

Ukraine on the other hand is the only country in history to have given up its nuclear weapons.

Now the Russians are the bad boys because they don't want USA on their doorstep. You ignorant wankers much catch a wake-up.

The US had no military presence in Ukraine, when Russia invaded. It is you that is ignorant.

Meanwhile, the US is now building more nuclear bombs in the EU at the request of countries like Poland - and perhaps new NATO members like Sweden. 

This is Putin causing this with his nuclear threats... He has spooked his neighbours who never had an interest in nuclear weapons. 

Given Russia has a small economy, but the most nuclear bombs, which shows they are the aggressor. 

This war should never have happened and will end with all players at a table meeting face to face and all sides having to give ground.

With all this money being made available to Ukraine as aid etc what again was the reason for this war?

"Ukraine on the other hand is the only country in history to have given up its nuclear weapons." 

Wrong again, South Africa in fact was the first country to give up its nuclear arsenal.

Remember Ukraine inherited their nukes, never built them

Wrong again, South Africa in fact was the first country to give up its nuclear arsenal.

 I do not had the answers to that Stav.

But the only way to settle this argument is for the two leaders to meet and sort out the issues.

This is not a quick fix as the two countries have been at loggerheads since the breakup of Russian and some areas under Ukraine rule are Russian folk to the core.

Not an easy situation to resolve.

Plus the encroaching Nato issue is yet another problem.