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SebPro2,680 posts
16 Jun 2023, 16:06
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16 Jun 2023, 16:06#1

Kiev ‘facing tough resistance’ from Russian troops – Zelensky

The Ukrainian president claimed that Moscow believes the current fighting will be decisive

Kiev ‘facing tough resistance’ from Russian troops – Zelensky

Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky gestures as he speaks during a joint press conference with his Estonian counterpart Alar Karis, on June 2, 2023. ©  Sergei SUPINSKY / AFP

Russian troops are responding fiercely to Ukrainian attempts to break through their defenses amid Kiev’s long-anticipated counteroffensive, President Vladimir Zelensky admitted in an interview aired on Thursday.

 

Speaking to NBC News, the leader said Ukrainian troops “are facing very tough resistance” and claimed that “for Russia to lose this campaign to Ukraine… actually means losing the war.”

 

Despite the apparent difficulties, Zelensky attempted to put an optimistic spin on the battlefield situation, describing the news from the front line as “generally positive, but it’s very difficult.”

 

The Ukrainian president also reiterated calls for supplies of F-16 fighter jets to Kiev, arguing that deliveries are being hindered by bureaucracy.

 

“We are losing time, we are losing people, and, the most important thing, we are losing our advantage,” Zelensky said, insisting that without Ukraine being given modern Western aircraft, “Russia is controlling the air.”

 

US demanding big results from Ukraine’s counteroffensive, soon – Politico

Read more US demanding big results from Ukraine’s counteroffensive, soon – Politico

Zelensky’s remarks came as the Washington Post cited officials in Kiev as saying that Ukraine was reluctant to delay its attacks on Russia. According to the outlet, Ukraine wants to demonstrate real battlefield progress before the winter, in order to assure its Western backers that it can prevail.

 

However, the Post’s sources warned that offensive action would result in heavy losses in personnel and equipment, which they claimed would be exacerbated by the lack of Western-made jets and long-range artillery needed to attack Russian targets far from the front line.

 

Ukrainian forces launched a large-scale offensive on June 4, repeatedly attempting to breach Russian lines in several sections of the front. Their efforts have been to no avail, according to the Russian Defense Ministry. On Wednesday, Moscow estimated Ukrainian frontline losses to be 7,500 soldiers killed or wounded since the start of the offensive.

 

On Tuesday, Russian President Vladimir Putin also claimed that Ukraine was “taking heavy casualties,” which he said were greater than Russia’s by a factor of ten. He claimed that Kiev had failed to gain any ground and had lost up to 30% of its Western-supplied equipment.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Jun 2023, 17:38
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16 Jun 2023, 17:38#2
How do we have only one eyed open when Western media is openly reporting on some of the difficulties the Ukraine offensive is facing?
The Institute for the Study of War have been noting the Russian's have been implementing sound tactical defensive maneuverers so far. 
They have also noted the general harmony of Russian mill bloggers who are generally talking positively so far about Russia's defensive operations.  Russian air power is an issue for the Ukrainian's but the mill bloggers having been praising Russia's EW (Electronic Warfare) capability to disrupt the Ukrainian offensive.  They have also noted Ukrainian's have been trying to attack more at night because they believe the Western supplied equipment give them an advantage there.
In the past when the Russian's have faced set back the Russian mill bloggers would usually be talking in a more panicked and anxiety driven manner but so far they have remained calm, which is a sign that so far the Russian's are doing well.
They where however utterly enraged by the reports that the Ukrainian's where able to kill 100 or more soldiers with artillery and missile after they had assembled to hear a speech from a Major General but was over two hours late, giving the Ukrainian's time to spot the assembly of men and attack them with rockets and artillery. Some of the mill bloggers where calling for those responsible to be shot in front of the units they command.
Western reports are saying the Ukrainian's are taking more losses than the Russian's as would typically be expected during the opening phases of an offensive operation. Most vehicle losses so far have been attributed to mines. But they also say Russian claims of Ukrainian losses are exaggerated.
The Institute for the Study of War and others have noted that while the Russian's are quite strong in the area's Ukraine is attacking at the moment, they don't anticipate that the Russian's have the same capabilities all along the front line.
Its also noted that the main bulk of the Ukrainian forces have yet to be committed to the offensive. Most of the attacks so far are probing operations.
Long and the short of it. Its too early to tell how successful the offensive will be.





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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
16 Jun 2023, 18:39
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16 Jun 2023, 18:39#3

Unless Ukraine defeats Russia properely this Summer they won't last another winter.

Don't know how the gonna get fighter aircraft without NATO pilots flying them. All the gear they get will be once-off.... maintenance crews will take even longer to train, including the logistics of spares. 




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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
16 Jun 2023, 19:33
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16 Jun 2023, 19:33#4

Ukraine is into its third Army of about 60,000 troops who for political reasons have launched a suicidal offenisive.

For months Russia has been preparing is defensive lines in the most appropriate positions.

The Russians have total control of the skies, badly outmatch he Ukrainians in terms of artillery and stand off weaponery.

The brave Ukrainian soldiers with their few tanks etc are out in the open and are sitting ducks Its a massacre.

They are being slaughtered.

At the right moment Russia will begin its own offence. They will at least take Odesa Kartov (Spelling?) ie the remaining territories occupied by Russian speaking people,

Then what happens after that depends on the Biden Regime response and what the Europeans decide, If hey fail to negotiate Russia will end up on the Polish and Romanian borders etc.

The rubber will be hitting the road fairly soon. Who has been lying about this war and who has been telling the truth will soon be known. From what I have gleaned unless the US led Nato get directly involved in the fighting Ukraine has lost.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
16 Jun 2023, 20:13
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16 Jun 2023, 20:13#5

Unless Ukraine defeats Russia properely this Summer they won't last another winter.

Want to put money on that?

Don't know how the gonna get fighter aircraft without NATO pilots flying them.

Emmm...by training Ukrainian pilots?

All the gear they get will be once-off.... maintenance crews will take even longer to train, including the logistics of spares. 

The west has already made commitments to replace losses sustained in the counter offensive. Maybe not 1 to 1, but the West appears to be in this for the long run.

If hey fail to negotiate Russia will end up on the Polish and Romanian borders etc.

I'd wager money the Poles will enter the war if that looks like happening. The Poles would consider it an existential threat.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
17 Jun 2023, 00:32
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17 Jun 2023, 00:32#6

Ole Stav wants to bet on Baden.... haha. 

Pretty useless situation they find themselves in don't you think?How on earth are they ever gonna stop the Russians from bombing them? 

The Russkies have their nukes in Belarus now, what escalation can Baden bring that stopped short of them being employed. 

You say they want their land back.... nobody is ever going to live there, will be a no-man's land. 


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
17 Jun 2023, 02:44
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17 Jun 2023, 02:44#7

The US's given 75% of the total aid to Ukraine............ or multiply the total of 'all the rest' by thirty. God bless Biden & he's undoubtedly a better humanitarian & Christian than any of our bent Christian brigade, a troop of insidious, pernicious & ugly-minded individuals who are far removed from my idea of how any true Christians should behave.

Sies.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
17 Jun 2023, 08:41
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17 Jun 2023, 08:41#8

You breaking the 3rd Commandment again. 

Atheists favorite after the 9th to b reak(thou shalt not lie) 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 Jun 2023, 09:13
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17 Jun 2023, 09:13#9

Ole Stav wants to bet on Baden.... haha.

As if Biden is the only factor in this war.

Pretty useless situation they find themselves in don't you think?How on earth are they ever gonna stop the Russians from bombing them? 

Same way they have prevented them bombing up till now, their ground based missile defence systems. If they do get the likes of F-16 that will further augment their air defence capability. If your specifically talking about the units advancing in the current counter offensive, the Ukrainian's have been supplied by Germany with mobile anti air vehicles like the Flakpanzer Gepard as well as of course the ubiquitous MANPADS. By no means does that mean the Ukraine advance is fully protected from Russian air attack but the Ukrainian's do have some counter measures.. After all Ukraine advanced deep into Russian held territory in the Kharkiv counter offensive and the Russian airforce was unable to prevent it at the time.

The Russkies have their nukes in Belarus now, what escalation can Baden bring that stopped short of them being employed

The Russian's would be inviting their own destruction if they used  nuke, which makes it very unlikely they would opt to employ them.

You say they want their land back.... nobody is ever going to live there, will be a no-man's land. 

In time it can be rebuilt.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2023, 10:51
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17 Jun 2023, 10:51#10

Biden is a major factor in the War - or should I say the only factor that really counts.   The US supplied $74 billion in aid to Ukraine with the Biden doctrine to use the War to have Putin remove as Russian President and nobody can account with what really happened to the money    

When the African leaders met with Zelenskyy he stated in line with the Biden doctrine to the effect that he will not negotiate with Russia while Putin is President.     Stav claimed that according to Zelenskyy Ukraine troops are finding it very difficult at present and any negotiations would have been a logical way to go, but it is clear that Zelenskyy must have been told not to enter into any negotiations sponsored by the African countries.

The African delegation then flew to Poland to continue with their talks and met with the Pol ish President and their next stop will be St Petersburg.           

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2023, 11:36
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17 Jun 2023, 11:36#12

Just some questions to Stav.    

How long does it take to train pilots used to flying  the outdated Mig planes to fly F16 planes.   According to some reports it will take 18 months to train the Ukrainian pilots to fly F16 planes and to use them in air combat.   So how is that going to help Ukraine in the short term?

Next question - will the West replace the soldiers killed during the next three months on  a 1 to 1 basis?    Very few countries will get legislative authority to get directly involved in the War -   it could easily escalate into WW3.    The only border between Rusia and Poland  is the Kalilin enclave  area it is isolated from Russia by Lithuania so I wonder where the 1 million soldiers will go.   

Is the intention of the d  how if they intend to send troops to Ukraine to attack the Russian troops.   Most potential countries who wanted to send  troops to Ukraine to get involved in battle against Rusia would find it difficult to get parliamentary approval for such a venture.   In the alternative it could be that they would replace equipment losses.    Please clarify.

            

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2023, 11:36
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17 Jun 2023, 11:36#13

Duplication

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jun 2023, 12:13
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17 Jun 2023, 12:13#14

Maybe you are right - but I doubt it very much if God will bless that criminally corrupt idiot in the WH.   God and Christianity has nothing to do with it.   He is in so-called alliance with the wicked - do you know that in the two years of Biden Presidency more than 250 000 unaccompanied children was smuggled into the USA by the cartels and the Biden administration lost  contact with those children who are now used as sex slaves in the USA or despite legislation banning it are now slaves working in factories.    The various Departments of the Biden Administration does not know what happened to the children and when confronted claim they are not responsible for the children.    Which God will bless Biden for that disaster in a country where slaver y are supposed to be forbidden,     This was exposed by the New York Times - nobody else.   So it is in the category of newspapers you normally believe in.                

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SebPro2,680 posts
17 Jun 2023, 13:33
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17 Jun 2023, 13:33#15

Another truthful balanced insight by a trusted man, Mark Sleboda

https://www.youtube.com/live/ux1ck6GBYDU?feature=share

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 Jun 2023, 13:40
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17 Jun 2023, 13:40#16

How long does it take to train pilots used to flying  the outdated Mig planes to fly F16 planes.   According to some reports it will take 18 months to train the Ukrainian pilots to fly F16 planes and to use them in air combat.   So how is that going to help Ukraine in the short term?

18 months is about right but according to the US military some Ukrainian pilots could be able to operate the F-16 with about 4 months of training.  There might be other in between the 4 and 19 month window depending on how experienced they are.

No was talking about F-16 helping Ukraine in the short term but it will help Ukraine if the war is still going at that point.

Next question - will the West replace the soldiers killed during the next three months on  a 1 to 1 basis?    Very few countries will get legislative authority to get directly involved in the War -   it could easily escalate into WW3.    The only border between Rusia and Poland  is the Kalilin enclave  area it is isolated from Russia by Lithuania so I wonder where the 1 million soldiers will go.   

What are you talking about. No one is talking about the west replacing soldiers.

Is the intention of the d  how if they intend to send troops to Ukraine to attack the Russian troops.   Most potential countries who wanted to send  troops to Ukraine to get involved in battle against Rusia would find it difficult to get parliamentary approval for such a venture.   In the alternative it could be that they would replace equipment losses.    Please clarify.

No one is talking about sending troops into combat in Ukraine. But the west has already said it will replace some of the equipment lost in the counter offensive.

Care to comment on Russian's admitting to shortages in tanks and precision weapons systems?

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
17 Jun 2023, 17:38
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17 Jun 2023, 17:38#17

The Russian's would be inviting their own destruction if they used  nuke, which makes it very unlikely they would opt to employ them.


That is dismissing one major motivation for the Russians to go to war.

In case of defeat, Russia as it is known now is going to disappear and that is what Russians are fighting for.

Use of nuclear power is a credible option as Russians who press the button show no interest in a world Russia no longer exists.

As to symetric strike options, one cause of the war is the capture by the west of Russian natural resources, nuking Russia would severely compromize the outcome.

GWB pleaded Iraqis to not destroy the oil fields.

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