A few more pertinent facts

1. Iran’s actual enrichment activity far exceeds peaceful civilian nuclear needs.
2. Enriching to 60% is not necessary for any power plant — it’s only relevant for military-grade fuel production.

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2015 capacity: Approx. 4,300 SWU/year (IR?1 only)

Mid 2025 capacity: Approx. 58,800 SWU/year

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So here we have a nation which has increased it’s ability to enrich Uranium by 13 times since 2015 . And a nation whose enrichment capacity already far exceeds it’s civilian needs.

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And the increases in centrifuges have been coming at an exponential rate in the last 4 years.

If it seems wise not to have nuclear weapons in the hands of a nation which supports global terrorism….the case to act is pretty clear. The arguments against are procedural, relate to timing or incorrectly draw parallels with Iraq.

There has always been a strong case to stop Iran’s march to nuclear weapons. Somebody finally took the obvious step

All of this is public data, according to liberals, they have destroyed everything so it is their word which is of course trustworthy. The juicy part has begun. Time to enjoy.

Mozart

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Jun 22, 2025, 18:58

There has always been a strong case to stop Iran’s march to nuclear weapons. Somebody finally took the obvious step

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The significant expansion of Iran’s enrichment capacity and the move to higher enrichment levels (such as 60%) began after the U.S. withdrew from the JCPOA in 2018 and Iran started rolling back its commitments in response.

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On January 16, 2016, the IAEA confirmed that Iran had implemented major restrictions: it reduced its enriched uranium stockpile, capped its enrichment level at 3.67%, limited the number and type of centrifuges, and allowed unprecedented international monitoring

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I would never trust the Iranians, and would say that perhaps blowing up their nuclear facilities was a good idea. However, it should be noted when the Iranians started to deviate.

Going forward, we may need to blow up their future nuclear programs anytime they start a new one.

The worst-case scenario is that Russia gives Iran a batch of nuclear bombs. It was Russia that trained North Korea how to create nukes...

The arguments against are procedural

Procedural... as in against international law? While the world to a large extent has always operated along the lines of the strong do what they want it really seems like the final nail in the international rules based order and the death rattle of the UN.

or incorrectly draw parallels with Iraq.

That remains' to be seen. We are not exactly sure what will happen long term.

There has always been a strong case to stop Iran’s march to nuclear weapons. Somebody finally took the obvious step

And the reason other people didn't take that obvious step, is the consequence are not so obvious.

Another pertinent fact, Iran did sign up to a deal with the JCPOA, they complied with the terms of the deal , the US did not honour it's side of the deal.

Going forward, we may need to blow up their future nuclear programs anytime they start a new one.

Assuming the present Iranian regime survives, the line of thinking your suggesting might actually only encourage them that they absolutely need to acquire a nuclear bomb.

The US and Israel will bomb Iran to stop them building a nuclear bomb,

Iran will build a nuclear bomb to stop the US and Israel from bombing them.

@Stav, on the other pertinent "facts" thread, I commented that attacking Iran is a double edged sword which may create a self-fulfilling prophecy.

On one hand, the Iranians will now almost certainly be scrambling to create a nuclear bomb given America has attacked them. On the other hand, they may have already been doing this even if America never attacked them.

So, either inaction or action could have led to the same outcome. However, one of the paths may not lead to the same outcome. Therein lies the self-fulfilling prophecy. If we don't act, it may lead to Iran getting nukes. If we do act, it may lead to Iran getting nukes. We don't know which one.

What is a fact is that their enrichment levels have increased substantially each year since 2018.

For energy production using nuclear power, it does not require a high enrichment (e.g. 5%).

When I say "we" may have to bomb any future nuclear sites. this is following the actions of Trump. Our fates are now somewhat tied by cards dealt by Trump, as this is the path we are now on.

Iran tripled it’s centrifuges in the last year….whatever one’s views on how they got to this point, it’s hard to argue that they weren’t intent on building a bomb before the US strike.

Arguing? Since when liberals are restrained by arguments? Is there not a long list of events showing they do not care about having a ground, they only care about never been hold accountable? Liberalism is all about submission. They always come up with their claims and pushing them as the consensus. Pakistan is next.

So, either inaction or action could have led to the same outcome. However, one of the paths may not lead to the same outcome. Therein lies the self-fulfilling prophecy. If we don't act, it may lead to Iran getting nukes. If we do act, it may lead to Iran getting nukes. We don't know which one.

Well yes inaction could of led to Iran getting the bomb. But what we also don't know is if diplomacy could have worked. Probably not with Trump as President.

What is a fact is that their enrichment levels have increased substantially each year since 2018.

Not quite true. When Trump pulled out of the JCPOA Iran actually remained in compliance with for another year. It did then start going above the 3.67% refinement limit but only started enriching to 60% in 2021. It's massively accelerated the rate of enrichment to 60 this year, with the IAEA have found Iran had added nearly 50% more to its stockpile of 60% enriched Uranium between February and May this year.

There is no feasible reason at all, for Iran to be doing what they are with their current percentage of enriched Uranium.

The right call was made to take out their resources, but expect repercussions from Iran and it's allies.

It's obvious that the only reason Iran wasn't attacked under Obama and Hilary was purely because their percentages were within the acceptable limits....

Why Biden didn't act when it went up to 60% is interesting, especially considering how the experts are saying just how quickly it takes to get the enriched Uranium from 60% to the required 90% for nuclear armament.

If Trump didn't attack, Iran could have ended up with nuclear weapons

If Trump does attack, Iran could still ended up with nuclear weapons

I would rather make it as difficult as possible for a country like Iran to not have their own way of producing their own nuclear weapons ...and if that means bombing them, then so be it.

Stav

The fact ia the funding of Iran started off ithe Obama payoff started when Obama released a 450% increase to what money was frozen in the USA.in the 1970's plane deal. The USA paid out $1,8 billion - the Iran Government received $1,42 Billion and the question remains - where did the $358 million go.

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There si no evidence that Iran ever complied with the conditions of the agrement and the simple Iranian process was to move enrichment processes into what they called military bases whrre no inspection was allowed. The reports on the situation indicated that the enrichment process was not ended by the Iranians. The Ayatollah regime is totally a cruel, corrupt and grossly unpopular set-up, So intenal and secret reports were leaked to the USA and other countries - Iran was not complying with the agrementt. Trump did what was expected from him as Presient - tore up a phony agreement and pass a law freezing dollars paid to Iran.

The Biden Regime apparently promised to help Iran in return for resigning of the same phony agreement signed by Obama, In return for help in the 2020 election by agitation orientating from Iran - on which the Iran Governent spent millios in advertsising in the media for Muslims to support the Biden campaign the Biden regime would illegally unfroze the hundreds of billions of frozen money illegally. In the end the US government of the mentally defective Biden unfroze $280 billion to Iran. That money was used to fund terrorism and nuclear bomb development,

Trump fully aware what the Ayatollah agreement his Govenment entered into negotiations based on the following:-

1. All sanctions would end against Iran by the USA snd other countries following the USA example ; and in return
2. Iran would not develop nuclear warheads and stop fundng of terrorit organizations.

Iran was given 60 days to negitate the resultant deal - but Iran was not interested in real negotiations and Israel - aware of the conditions on day 61 attacked the nuclear and other above-ground plants in Teheran involved in nuclear development. They could not get to deal with the underground plants, Trump ordered the attack on the underground storage areas where enriched uranium are kept. He then wait 14 days to respond to the original proposals and the Ayatollah went underground from the start of the Israel attacks, and declared the Iran Regime decision to continue with development of nuclear bombs and funding of terrorism. Both knows where the rat is living underground at present, Trump forbid Israel to biomb him out of existence and unless the Ayatollah reject the original propsoal his death sentence will follow. In Iran the Revelutionry Guard oppressed the people cruelly and in the case of a score of women were executed as prostitutes after Guards raped them repeatedly and more than a 100 000 people was imprisoned for life after taking part in protests meetings against the Iran Regime, Acording to reliable reports only 20% of the population voted in the last Iran election .- so you believe Trump is wrong and the Iran Government is reliable.

Your BS is getting worse by the day raking up a bombing of the Houthis which site members rejected.and criticized - that is a joke in bad taste - unlike you who support rogue regimes and wars - I do not recollect of anything mentioned on this site dealing with bombing of the Houthi's by the Biden regime - but became aware of $3 billion of funding of Yemen by USAID funding an agency invovled in terrorism funding, That together with similar funding to te Hezbollah and Hamas were stopped.

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Uh oh….brace yourself Anger, Clever has you in his sights. You have my gratitude, he’s all your’s.

You know sometimes I read a post without looking at the poster and read one of Mike's posts, but after reading about 2 lines, I know its him and I'm just skip the rest. Just wish I could claim back those wasted moments. Maybe I can get a refund at the Pearly Gates.

Mike will be there waiting for you, better choose the other option.

What a way of telling Anger to go to Hell!!...no man Moz, no need for such extremes! :-)

Come on Db... surely you can see the humour in that response from Moz

Of coarse, hence the comment...I've added a smiley.

muzt say I never ave seen such BS in my life from two super-idiots, International agreements forbid the devlopment of nuclear arms by nations - and after India and Pakistan develop nukes they were sanctioned - but no action taken. Reason - both countries are not directly linked to international terrorism.

North Korea is a protegee state of China and the North Korean Government is srictly contolled by China. They will not use nukes without the permission of China.and of China give permissiom it would mena an international nuclear war and the end of the world and humanity,.

SA developed nuclear bombs - but destroyed the bombs in 1994 begore handing power over to the ANC. Israel may have nuclear bombs developed in partnership with the South African project - but they never even hinted pf using such weaponry

That leaves Iran as a rigue nation supporting terrorism worldwide, Everbody in the world bar the two super-idots on site realized that a nuclear-armed rogue regime in Iran is a threat to countries worldwide - but because Trump is involved the two super0diiots support Iran.