A pertinent fact

This from The NY Times today:

Recent estimates by the Institute for Science and International Security suggest that Iran could convert its current stock of 60 percent enriched uranium into weapons-grade uranium in three weeks at Fordo, enough to produce nine nuclear weapons. It is unknown, though, whether Iran has the weaponization capabilities needed to do so.

Weapons grade uranium is 90% enriched. Fordo is the uranium enrichment plant buried deep underground. Reachable only by the largest bunker buster….and then only possibly.

Let's bomb it, no consequences at all, it is buried deep and all the radioactivity will be contained.

Imagine a world, with Iran having the means and capability to send a few nuclear missles up.....

The existence of nuclear weapons and mutually assured destruction in a few mega countries has probably acted as a deterrent to war. The proliferation of nuclear weapons to smaller countries is very dangerous,

Of course, the smaller they are, the more unlikely they are not to destroy in a mutual destruction thing.

Liberals do not lie to deceive, they lie to gauge submission. They make statements they know as dubious, incorrect or whatever and use the reaction to them as litmus test to determine adhesion.

Iran has never hidden they have been pursuing nuclear energy so they will have nuclear material likely to be enriched to military grade. Assessment of how pertinent this fact is. Liberals declare white people as the most intelligent people in human history. Iranians are Persians and are perceived as white people by liberals. Since how long have they been in the situation of being three weeks from enriching that material? One week, one month, one year? The longer it is, the longer it tends to confirm that Iran has no plan in getting nukes. Iranians are white people so they must be granted the highest level of intelligence that is.

On the other side, it shows that liberal nations and the white brotherhood behind them are very alike to criminal societies. Criminal societies too issue lies to test the loyalty of their members. People who associate themselves with that white race thing are very intelligent by their own declarations, it follows they see through this kind of non sense with ease and therefore choose to accept them. They are not deceived. They are not manipulated. They know.

"Iran has never hidden they have been pursuing nuclear energy so they will have nuclear material likely to be enriched to military grade"

WRONG!...nuclear energy only gets you about half way...Iran has actively been pursuing getting nuclear weapons for decades...and they've been sponsoring terrorism for decades...they are not the victems here.

Funny. They have been pursuing nuclear weapons for decades, and how long have they been three weeks away from military grade uranium?

Of course, Iran is not the victim, they can not be the victim. The victims are liberals, they have always been, not a single time they have aggressed any nation, any population, they have always been the victims in anything... How can Iran or any other country could be the victim? Liberal nations never aggress, they only defend themselves, most of the times in foresight...

So a fter the last night Fordow has been totally destroyed and other similar sites destroyed as well, So what next?

Resurfaced clip shows Trump accusing Obama of wanting a war with Iran

Bang goes his Nobel prize ...............

Lifted from Darth Putin's bluesky account.

Meanwhile in freespeechistan.

"Bang goes his Nobel prize ..............."

If bombing terrorist was a disqualifier, Obama wouldn't have got one...even if Trump manages to end a few difficult conflicts, he will never get proper recognition, never mind a Nobel...

3 undetground Uranium enrichment facilities destroyed ...but because it was Trump...

The sheer inconsistency.

I remember you criticized Biden for bombing the Huthi's, Trump does it and its FAFO.

Part of Trump's election platform in both campaign's is that he would keep the US out of of foreign war and here he is diving head first into one. He probably had no intention of actually doing this until Israel launched their attack but he simply couldn't resist getting involved to get the limelight back on him and possible because TACO was stinging him too much. MAGA is isolationist and Trump will lose some support from his base over this, but the cult is so strong most will probably just roll in behind what ever he does.

3 undetground Uranium enrichment facilities destroyed ...but because it was Trump...

If Biden had done this I've zero doubt you be singing a different tune. And we don't even know at this point if the facilities where destroyed, I'd wait for some intelligence assessments over taking Trump's word on it.

"I remember you criticized Biden for bombing the Huthi's, Trump does it and its FAFO."

I seriously can't remember anyone on this site discussing Biden bombing anyone, least of all myself.

"Part of Trump's election platform in both campaign's is that he would keep the US out of of foreign war and here he is diving head first into one..."

Bombing 3 strategic locations in Iran is still a way off from diving into a foreign war.

"If Biden had done this I've zero doubt you be singing a different tune. And we don't even know at this point if the facilities where destroyed, I'd wait for some intelligence assessments over taking Trump's word on it."

Nonsense...nobody on this site has said anything about Biden or Obama bombing anyone...Biden's pathetic withdrawal from Afghanistan is not nearly the same thing...and regardless of the state of destruction of the facilities, I'm pretty sure their uranium enrichment program has run into some serous difficulties to say the least.

Nobody criticized Biden for bombing the Houthi's - if in fact it did happen. Iran was never punished once supporting terrorism anywhere in the world Iran - but instead of punishing Iran - the Biden Administration illegally unfroze hundreds of billions in frozen money to Iran. In facft a string of countries in a desperate attempt to save themselves became members of BRICS.

Biden did not even know what the foreign policy of the USA was - so who was running intenational affairs invovlng the USA?

There is no hyporisy invovled at all in this case - it must be another figment in your wonderful dreams - namely a targetted strilke on a limited number of targets does not plunge the USA into a war. It was a limited operation not involving ground troops be sent in - the possibility of peace agreement ith Iran is still on the table, The world rogue nations governed by dictators played ping pong with the USA while Biden was President - they dare not do so with Trump as President.

I did not see any defense of the Ayatollah Government by Mid-East countriesor - even by the EU Nations. Everybody knows with Iran armed by nuclear weapons would be a dangerous situation. But even CNN did not go into all-out attack on the bombing strike yet.

An agreement that relieve Iran from all sanctions and allow them to trade without restrictions is stil on the table on two conditions:-

1. no development of nuclear arms;
2. stop funding of terrorsm by Iran protected terrorist organizations like Hamas, Hezbolah and the Houthi's by Iran.

That is still on the table for Iran. Trump never supported wars - especially not when Terrorist supporting dictatorial Governents are involved, It is not starting of a war when targetted attacks without ground invading troups are not involved,

After this incident I doubt not that Putin will be much easier in his demands to continue wioth the Ukraine War and we will see some consequences in that one as well.

Trump know where the Ayatollah is hiding and unless he wakes up to that fact he is bound to be killed, Israel also know where the Ayatollah is - but Trump told Israel not to attack the area where the Ayatollah is hiding.

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I am 50/50 about destroying Iran's nukes. It seems like a good choice in the short term, but it could be more dangerous in the long term.

Right now, Iran must be thinking that if it had nukes, it would be safer. Iran must have taken note that Putin's Russia is all out safer with nukes

One of Putin's Oligarchs just said that a few countries are considering giving nukes to Iran. (North Korea and Russia?). Can't see the Chinese giving them nukes.

I seriously can't remember anyone on this site discussing Biden bombing anyone, least of all myself.

Biden bombed the Houthis in response to their attacks on shipping, you where critical of this, I remember Moz been critical of your position. This was probably around January 2024, if this forum had good search functionality I'd bring up the post.

It depends about the objective for bombings, but I can truly not remember having a strong opinion about the bombing of Houthis...I must say I wasn't too fond of how Trump did it, but I don't know enough about it...I do however think that the pirate and terrorists threatening ships in the area should be dealt with harshly...

I'm not saying you are mistaken, just that it's not in line with my views on the sibject in general...more context would be welcome.

I now saw Starmer saying that Iran with nucleaf bombs at its disposal would not be acceptable - so he in fact supported he strike approved by Trump.

According to CNN the Iran Foreign Minister is meeting Putin tomorrow in Moscow, Putin is no fool - the Foreign Ministe is likely end up meeting with his Russian counterpart. Whomsoever the Iranian Foreign Minister meets will warn him not to annoy Trump any further and better save the Ayatollah and him from being eliminated,

This was a massage...not only to Iran...why didn't China and Russia see what was coming and warn their buddy Iran?

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Please explain ur following statement:-

"I am 50/50 about destroying Iran's nukes. It seems like a good choice in the short term, but it could be more dangerous in the long term".

How can t become more dnerous in he long tem"

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It is getting better and better. Again, stated it many times, liberals have set themselves on the path of killing hundreds of million people. The so called fact is that guys supposedly had everything they need to build a nuclear weapon, it does not matter if they had the intent or not. They had the tools for it, that is all that matters. Of course, as usual, liberals are used to dehumanization so there are rules for human beings (themselves) and rules for sub human and non human beings. Liberal nations have accumulated many means of mass destruction, many means to perform genocides, mass slaughters. Why do they have them if they have not the intent to use them? But anyone making that basic remark will be met by the necessity of showing papers or stuff showing that liberal nations want to use them to that purpose.

Liberals want people to forget the US started as a slaver nation. Yet when it is not forgotten, it is clear: liberals did not want slaves to organize themselves, they did not want slaves to get armed etc Liberals spent a lot of energy ensuring slaves could not resist slavery, they passed laws etc to ensure them.

The US have been running a business of farming poor people and extorting the weak. They do not want people to organize to resist coercion; The US having nuclear weapons and other mass destruction weapons serve well a business of coercion, Iran having nuclear weapons a bit less.

Contrary to what liberals claim, they do not discuss nor debate.They quarrel or dispute. Discussion or debate require to accept common ground, words must mean, the word moon must mean the same for every side. Liberals can no longer do that. Liberals reject commonalities. The absence of argument shown by this elected guy is revealing. If anything, liberals by their own absence of standard, have placed themselves as the main target. Of course, they can not accept it. This makes it impossible to debate or discuss with this guy as he does not even accept the element he wants others to consider as an argument.

Iran would never need the amount of enriched Uranium it curently has / had, especially just for civilian reactors... it was way too far above what is usually needed for any purpose including the medical reactors they were insisting needed it, when that only needs... at the most.... to be 20% enriched.

Blame Trump as much as you want to, but keep in mind that Hilary, Obama and Biden have all previously said in the past that they would take any steps necessary to ensure that Iran does not become nuclear capable, and keep in mind that under Obama and Hilary as secretary of state, Iran never ever exceeded 20% enriched Uranium.

As of 2024, under Biden, Iran had 60% enriched Uraniam, it's highest percentage ever, so the risk that was here and present right now is by far more than it ever was when Obama was in office or when Hilary was Secretary of State, and to take that enriched Uranium from 60% to 90%, for nuclear capable weapons only takes weeks to months to happen.....

Iran already had 100kg -200kg of enriched Uranium, enough for one bomb if further enriched.

Trump made the right call.

Was not Iran bound by a treaty not to exceed a certain enrichment rate... A treaty that Trump has blown out, assessing it was poor and thereafter, had to be negated... It is fun. Liberals do not exist as initiators of foul deeds, they are always victims.

Call the World Police Tradhole...Iran was warned, they had 60 days, they told Trump to fck off...they will be more thoughtful next time...if they're not stupid....same goes for the rest of the Skunk Alliance...FAFO...about time...I'm sure Xi and Vlad took note.

A lot of people have taken notes... And some of them will not call for the world police since the world police is the one dismissing the law.