A tottering cease fire with unacceptable demands

Apparently Saudi’s East/West pipeline an obvious solution to Hormuz has been hit, not clear if before or after the cease fire. Nor have the Iranians or the Israelis desisted from other strikes.

More to the point Iran’s demands are still unacceptable. The TDS set that yesterday were howling about the extinction of a civilization are today pouring cold water on the settlement.

Hopefully these emotional children will keep doing it, the more they say the terms are unacceptable…the more leeway Trump has to take the next step if necessary.

Where is irrelevant Europe one wonders.

Mozart, it sounds like you're quite keen to see the "next step" . . . bombing civilian targets along with the people protecting them.

Disgraceful.

And what exactly will Bozo achieve if he chooses the "civilization-extinction" option? What will the tangible benefits be?

All he'll do is ensure that the USA does get nuked if Iran ever get a nuclear weapon.

I asked Draad this question but so far he hasn't answered . . . what good has this war done?

We know there hasn't been regime change because it's the same regime, just with angrier, younger and more fanatical leadership.

We know it's not nukes because Bozo boasted he'd obliterated their nuclear capability a year ago.

So how does this war help or benefit anyone?

What outcome can you imagine that would make it worth it?

I answered...you didn't listen... you're stuck in binary mode.

You said the price of oil would come down.

Duh!

And what caused the price of oil to go up in the first place?

Duh!

But go on then Draad, give us a plausible outcome to the negotiations that makes this war worth all the money, the destruction, the lives lost and pushing the world into a recession.

Use your imagination.

As long as you have an empowered Iran ME wars will continue, Iranian supported world wide terrorism will continue, torture and killing of democratic protestors will continue, children will continue to be put in schools next to military targets and young girls will stand waving flags thinking it’s great fun….in human shields.

The Iranians have a right to Democratically elect any government they want, hopefully that would be a moderate one. But it may be a religious autocracy….their choice. But what they can’t be allowed to choose is to spread that madness beyond their borders.

You are stuck with your Pollyanna view of the world….the same view that produced Neville Chamberlain. These people will not be persuaded by logic, they have their own logic. They have to be defeated and that can be done by continuing the current campaign. Yes there will be more lives lost, but a small number compared to the life taking potential of this Iranian regime.

This may just be a way for Iran to deal with their defeat….put a bunch of over the top demands out there and have them watered down through a negotiation that is already done. That would be great.__but the inertia that results would make it very difficult to go back again.

The Iranian capability has been significantly eroded but the job has to be finished now. In spite of European truculence, Woke stupidity and the tendency of Americans to want to ignore what happens beyond their borders.

Thanks for the self-righteous lecture but try answering the question . . . what outcome can you foresee that will make Operation Epic Fail a success?

Iran acts like a defeated country.

But they have control of the Straits and they're holding the world to ransom.

Perhaps if your hero hadn't surrounded himself with incompetent yes-men someone might have thought to secure the Straits before the strike . . . but that didn't happen . . . which is why Iran is holding the cards and why Bozo was so desperate for an off ramp.

Hahaha yesterday he was going to blow up the civilization, today he is desperate for an off ramp….I don’t think Trump will accept any control of Hormuz. But that’s not enough. There are the 15 point demands that have not been made public….smart, it gives him flexibility.

Your sources have got this wrong every step of the way, perhaps just wait huh?

I'll wait, but in the meantime why don't you man up and answer my question?

Even in your wildest dreams, how do you see this turning into a win?

Like I said, use your imagination.

The Straits are opened, Iran can’t enrich Uranium to weapons levels and its inspected properly with full access. All existing weapons level Uranium is handed over. That’s a win.

https://x.com/foxandfriends/status/2041828246967206380

Iran’s Proposed Peace Plan

1. Non-Aggression: The U.S. must fundamentally commit to guaranteeing non-aggression.

2. Maritime Control: Continuation of Iran’s control over the Strait of Hormuz.

3. Nuclear Program: Acceptance that Iran can enrich uranium for its nuclear program.

4. Primary Sanctions: Removal of all primary sanctions on Iran.

5. Secondary Sanctions: Removal of all secondary sanctions against foreign entities that do business with Iranian institutions.

6. UN Resolutions: End of all United Nations Security Council resolutions targeting Iran.

7. IAEA Oversight: End of all International Atomic Energy Agency resolutions on Iran’s nuclear program. 8. Reparations: Compensation payment to Iran for war damage.

9. U.S. Withdrawal: Withdrawal of U.S. combat forces from the region.

10. Cease-fire: Cease-fire on all fronts, including Israel’s conflict with Hezbollah in Lebanon.

@TreyYingst

Trump's exact words is that the framework proposed by Iran is workable. This is the worst deal that has ever been negotiated. It is a victory for Iran.

Now I see Trump is denying what he said yesterday- the usual. A pathological liar.

Iran Deal by Obama: •

0 Americans killed •

0 Iranians killed •

0 bombs dropped •

$0 spent on war GOP:

THIS IS AN TOTAL FAILURE! WE LOST!

Iran Ceasefire by Trump:

•15 American soldiers killed,

~700 injured

•1900 Iranian civilians killed,

26,000 injured

•$45 BILLION in taxpayer money wasted

•18 countries bombed or involved in war MAGA: T

HIS IS A TOTAL WIN! SO MUCH WINNING!

"The Straits are opened, Iran can’t enrich Uranium to weapons levels and its inspected properly with full access. All existing weapons level Uranium is handed over. That’s a win."

I see . . . so basically you're asking for the Obama deal . . . which is what you had.

As long as you have an empowered Iran .... The Iranians have a right to Democratically elect any government they want, hopefully that would be a moderate one.

It is so absurb. Liberals have this knack at thinking in convolution.

A democratic elected government is incompatible with an empowered Iran... What a weird thought... Same thing as telling that when they have a democratic elected government, they can not have nuclear weapons.

Liberals' brains are immune to contradiction. It is impressive.