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America doesn’t do Fascism

Started by Mozart8 REPLIES338 VIEWS· 29 Jan 2026, 18:34
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 Jan 2026, 18:34
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29 Jan 2026, 18:34#1

‘The clearest sign that we are not actually in a bubble,” investor Ben Horowitzremarked last month, “is the fact that everyone is talking about a bubble.” You could say the same about fascism. Under the real thing, people know what’s happening without needing a lot of eggheads and politicos to tell them.

Since 2016 Donald Trump’s fiercest critics have intermittently reached for the word “fascism” to explain their troubles. The word is everywhere on the left just now. Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz settled on it last summer (“These are fascist policies—that is what they are”), and this week he made the discreditable comparison between people worried about immigration raids and Anne Frank. Democratic Party Chairman Ken Martin calls Mr. Trump “fascism dressed in a red tie” and says the administration wants to “march us to full-on fascism.”

This week the Atlantic published an essay headlined “Yes, It’s Fascism,” in which Brookings Institution scholar Jonathan Rauch draws up a series of categories—“demolition of norms,” “might is right,” “police-state tactics,” “blood-and-soil nationalism”—that in his view describe both Mr. Trump and “classical” fascism of the 1930s. But Mr. Rauch says America “has not fallen to fascism,” which is a relief. We’re now only “a hybrid state combining a fascist leader and a liberal Constitution.”

You could write the same sort of clever essay to show that Barack Obama is a socialist or that Zohran Mamdani is a communist. But unlike Messrs. Obama and Mamdani, who hold coherent worldviews at least partially consistent with socialism and communism, respectively, and who have declared admiration for real-life socialists and communists, Mr. Trump has no categorizable worldview. The suffixes “ist” and “ism,” as I’ve said before in these pages, assume conscious belief. You can’t be a fascist, or a socialist or a communist, without in any way meaning to be one.

It’s true, in fairness to liberals who have mistaken Mr. Trump for a fascist over the past decade, that the president sometimes acts and sounds like a strongman. He understands constitutional limits when he wants to and doesn’t when he doesn’t. In his second term he has used the Justice Department to target his foes—though in comically inept ways that diminish his polling numbers and turn those foes into heroes. He has chafed at constitutional limits but hasn’t declared himself exempt from them except in goading asides (he promised not to be a dictator, except for one day—“after that, I’m not a dictator”). He likes to name buildings after himself, which is weird but doesn’t hurt anything but sensibilities. He has complied with court orders, even if the administration’s attorneys have required cajoling by district judges on the matter of immigration.

That is what makes Mr. Trump more interesting, and more puzzling and exasperating, than the latter-day fascist of liberal imagination. He has far more in common with Andrew Jackson than with Buzz Windrip, the fascist American dictator and antihero of Sinclair Lewis’s novel “It Can’t Happen Here.”

Strongmen don’t do what Mr. Trump did on Tuesday: moderate in response to the electorate’s perception that his policy has gone awry. Without acknowledging it—he doesn’t admit course corrections in response to bad press or public outcry—Mr. Trump removed Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem and Border Patrol chief Greg Bovino from operations in Minneapolis and replaced them with the more experienced and professional Tom Homan. Mr. Bovino’s devil-may-care management and Ms. Noem’s idiotic bombast turned public opinion against ICE’s activities in the Twin Cities.

The descriptor “fascist,” really only a highfalutin term for “Nazi,” does what other epithets don’t. It places its object outside the company of lawful American actors. I wish Mr. Trump wouldn’t call his adversaries “radical left lunatics.” But this obviously hyperbolic phrase nonetheless places its targets on a spectrum of American politics. The U.S. didn’t fight a world war at the cost of 400,000 lives to rid the world of radical left lunatics. Hollywood hasn’t produced hundreds of movies about the menace of radical left lunatics.

I assume Mr. Walz knows the difference between the Gestapo and federal ICE agents, and between detention centers for illegal immigrants and Bergen-Belsen. California Gov. Gavin Newsom, who opened his 2024 state-of-the-state address by evoking the fears of 1939, didn’t believe his own words, inasmuch as the following year he hosted a chummy podcast conversation with Mr. Trump’s most popular exponent, Charlie Kirk. But some not insubstantial number of these politicians’ listeners take their assertions both seriously and literally. That so many people in Minneapolis have endangered themselves by waving phones in the faces of armed federal officers and shouting obscenities as if they were psychotic is one of many unhappy consequences.

American public figures have a duty to think better of their country than to believe it capable of putting a fascist in the White House. Some of them might ponder the possibility that he wouldn’t be there at all were it not for excesses they cheered at the time.’


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Does that help Wokistas?




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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
29 Jan 2026, 18:52
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29 Jan 2026, 18:52#2

Liberals keep building strawman after strawman : Trump is not a fascist, Trump is a liberal. The -ism that applies to Trump is liberalism.


Liberals must maintain a monopoly on speech. Mainly to ensure a warped report on liberalism and US history. They can not accept their own past.


It is very funny. Andrew Jackson is the liberal who organised the Trail of Tears among other things. And this article referred to him as Trump's alike. Who needs a fascist when one's got Andrew Jackson? No one.


As usual, liberals are all about submission and they come with their main strategy: blatantly outrageous claims to gauge submission.


Liberals keep dropping monikers like nazis or fascists to avoid facing that Trump is a liberal.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
29 Jan 2026, 21:03
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29 Jan 2026, 21:03#3

BOLLOCKS ...................



Lies and Lawlessness

The Camps, the Executions, and the Future


Timothy Snyder

Jan 26, 2026


It is not just the moral horror. It is the political logic.

People are dying in American concentration camps, unseen. And people are being executed on American streets, seen by all of us.

This is enough. The radical is the pragmatic.

The president should be impeached and convicted, as should everyone responsible for these outrages. ICE should be disbanded. So should the Department of Homeland Security. The other agencies within it should be redistributed across other departments. And the people who have killed should be investigated and brought before judges and juries.

But we have to see the logic of the killings as well as the killings themselves. The horror is a truth in itself. But it is also a sign of a political logic, one known from the totalitarian regimes of the twentieth century, Soviet as well as Nazi, and from attempts to replace the rule of law with personal tyranny.

It is the logic of lies and of lawlessness.




In a constitutional regime, such as ours, the law applies everywhere and at all times. In a republic, such as ours, it applies to everyone. For that logic of law to be undone, the aspiring tyrant looks for openings, for cracks to pry open.

One of these is the border. The country stops at the border. And so the law stops at the border. And so for the tyrant an obvious move is to extend the border so that is everywhere, to turn the whole country as a border area, where no rules apply.

Stalin did this with border zones and deportations in the 1930s that preceded the Great Terror. Hitler did it with immigration raids in 1938 that targeted undocumented Jews and forced them across the border.

And just what is Trump doing now? By his own admission, as well as by the admission of cabinet members, he is using ICE, nominally a border authority, to enforce his own whims on an American state of his choosing. It is not legal to attack a city because its policies work. It is not legal to threaten a state to gain information about its voters.

The border becomes the pretext to undo the law everywhere, at all times, and against anyone. It is the crack that can be opened. The wedge is the lie.

The lies begin as clichés, memes that are pounded into our heads by the government and by those in the media who repeat them, mindlessly or with malice.

One of these cliches is “law enforcement,” which is uttered over and over like a incantation. “Law enforcement” is not a noun. It is not a thing in the world. It is an action.

And action is something that we have a right to see and judge for ourselves. People enforcing the law do not wear masks. And people wearing masks who trespass, assault, batter, and kill are not enforcing the law.

They are violating it.

It is indeed the job of some local, state, and federal authorities to enforce the law. It is a disservice to them when federal employees carry out public executions. It is a greater disservice to them when such actions are defined as “law enforcement.”

The lies continue as provocative inversions, as what in On Tyranny I called “dangerous words”: these are, precisely, “terrorist” and “extremist.” These two words are known to us from history as those used by tyrants. And these are the words used by the Trump people to defame those killed by their polices.

This is their “messaging,” their banality of evil, as Hannah Arendt called it.

Or the evil of banality, as Václav Havel said. Words turned into reality with the complicity of those who hear them.

Those who actively lie are directly complicit in the deaths that just happen and in any deaths to come. But those in media who choose to treat propaganda as the story, to begin from lies rather than from events, are also complicit. The border is the crack, the lie is the wedge, and the wedge is made up of people — of us.

Words matter, uttered first or repeated. They create an atmosphere, they normalize — or they do not. We can choose to see, to call things by their proper names, to call out people who lie. We have to.

The moral horror of those killings is enough. But there is a political logic as well. And the two are connected. Those who resist the lawlessness and the lies are doing right. And they are giving a second chance to the endangered American republic.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
29 Jan 2026, 23:46
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29 Jan 2026, 23:46#4

The lefties are the fascists forcing anarchy.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
29 Jan 2026, 23:48
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29 Jan 2026, 23:48#5

Fascism is a far-right authoritarian political ideology


Core features


  1. Dictatorship and one-party rule: Power is concentrated in a single leader and party, with no real democratic competition or checks and balances. TRUMP tried to overturn the 2020 election.


  1. Ultranationalism: Intense nationalism, often tied to ideas of national rebirth, greatness, and the superiority of a particular people. MAGA (Make America Great)


  1. Suppression of opposition: Use of censorship, secret police, imprisonment, and violence to crush political opponents, independent media, and dissent. Trump has tried to arrest opposition, but all attempts have so far failed (e.g. Jack Smith, James Comey, John Bolton, Latita James, etc)


  1. Militarism and glorification of violence: War and political violence are treated as legitimate or even necessary tools for “renewing” the nation. In 2025, Trump was in more wars than any American president ever. He has also threatened Greenland, Canada, and the whole Western Hemisphere. ICE looks more like a rerun of Nazi Germany than the old America.


  1. Social hierarchy and elitism: Belief in natural hierarchies, contempt for liberal equality, and acceptance of rule by a dominant elite. The wealth gap has grown since his 2nd term. His Big Beautiful bill and earlier codifying low tax % for the richest.


  1. Control of society and the economy: Strong state direction of the economy and social life (often called corporatism), with independent unions and civil society brought under state control. Trump wants to take control of the Fed instead of allowing it to be an independent organisation. He has tried to bully out the Fed leader whom he appointed, and wants to appoint a puppet to replace him.




DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Jan 2026, 00:07
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30 Jan 2026, 00:07#6
  1. "TRUMP tried to overturn the 2020 election."No, he disputed the results.
  2. MAGA (Make America Great) patriotism
  3. Trump has tried to arrest opposition, but all attempts have so far failed (e.g. Jack Smith, James Comey, John BoltonTrump has tried to arrest opposition, but all attempts have so far failed (e.g. Jack Smith, James Comey, John Bolton, Latita James, etc)
  4. , Latita James, etc) the law must follow coarse
  5. In 2025, Trump was in more wars than any American president ever. He has also threatened Greenland, Canada, and the whole Western Hemisphere. ICE looks more like a rerun of Nazi Germany than the old America horse shit...milletery action is not war.

Don't do stupid.







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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
30 Jan 2026, 00:56
#7
30 Jan 2026, 00:56#7

DbD, I know that you're happily stuck in your rabbit hole, but please ffs., pop your head out occasionally & get a dose of reality.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Jan 2026, 06:35
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30 Jan 2026, 06:35#8

From my POV, you're the one with your head stuck somewhere...

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
30 Jan 2026, 06:59
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30 Jan 2026, 06:59#9

Of course. Nevertheless, stuff may be incorrect or correct. Contrary to liberals' claims, perception only goes that far.


When anyone indulges in writing stuff like this:


The lefties are the fascists forcing anarchy.



It either signals a crass ignorance of anything related to political matters, which is unsustainable. Or it is another blatant liberal statement to impose submission.


In other times, assertions like that one would have triggered suspicion of insanity. But liberals are not insane, they are liberal.

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