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American Journalist and Political Prisoner Gonzalo Lira, Known for Criticism of the Zelensky and Biden Regimes, Dies in Ukrainian Prison: Report

Started by Beeno162 REPLIES14,233 VIEWS· 13 Jan 2024, 05:18
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Jan 2024, 20:27
#41
15 Jan 2024, 20:27#41

Just a question dumbmike, you hate Ukraine for not being democratic enough yet you support Russia which has to be one of the least democratic countries in the world.

Why do you support them when they are far less democratic than any country in  the west?

I fail to see your reasoning in this if democracy is what you hold in the highest regard.
Crusty, I've asked myself the same question multiple times ...................... I think that ouMaaik was a willing victim of a honey trap* during his visit to Russia in the early nineties. He subsequently returned to SA, where he has been extolling the virtues of the Motherland & performing social media promotional work ever since. An unpaid labour of love.
*Honey trapping is an investigative practice involving the use of romantic or sexual relationships for interpersonal, political (including state espionage), or monetary purpose.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
16 Jan 2024, 14:12
#42
16 Jan 2024, 14:12#42

"I can't understand what the hell Russia gains in all this"

Nobody will ever understand Russia's motives.....

Now we have this apparent "classified" dossier from inside the inner chambers of Moscow that Germany have just released.... on Russia's attempt to push / force NATO into war in 2025....

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
16 Jan 2024, 15:49
#43
16 Jan 2024, 15:49#43

How did they get that classified dossier?   Wonder whether they hired S teele to do th dossier for them.   I do not believce anything that comes out of Washington and Berlin at this stage.       /     

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
16 Jan 2024, 18:07
#44
16 Jan 2024, 18:07#44

Of course you don't, that's your take on anything  that doesn't agree with what you want to believe. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
16 Jan 2024, 19:26
#45
16 Jan 2024, 19:26#45

Germans deflecting from the protests in their own country...NATO is already at war with Russia...

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
17 Jan 2024, 08:22
#46
17 Jan 2024, 08:22#46

"I do not believce anything that comes out of Washington and Berlin at this stage"

"Germans deflecting from the protests in their own country...NATO is already at war with Russia..."

I see .... so Germany making it all up

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 Jan 2024, 08:40
#47
17 Jan 2024, 08:40#47

Germans deflecting from the protests in their own country

You mean protests against the the far right wing AFD's plan to mass deport people, in what comes across as eerily similar to the Nazi's initial solution to their "Jewish problem". Damn right they should out protesting against that shit.

...NATO is already at war with Russia...

If that was true the war would already be over.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
17 Jan 2024, 09:37
#48
17 Jan 2024, 09:37#48

"If that was true the war would already be over"

Precisely ....

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
17 Jan 2024, 11:00
#49
17 Jan 2024, 11:00#49

Just a question dumbmike, you hate Ukraine for not being democratic enough yet you support Russia which has to be one of the least democratic countries in the world.

Did you get an answer?


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jan 2024, 11:02
#50
17 Jan 2024, 11:02#50

"Damn right they should out protesting against that shit."

I was actually talking about the farmer protests..

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jan 2024, 11:07
#51
17 Jan 2024, 11:07#51

...and a proxy war is still a war...the scale of NATO funding for the war against Russia is as close to war as you could get before actual hot conflict...so don't call it war then...it's just as dangerous.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
17 Jan 2024, 13:37
#52
17 Jan 2024, 13:37#52

"the scale of NATO funding for the war against Russia is as close to war as you could get before actual hot conflict"

Nope, not even remotely close....... not even a little bit

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
17 Jan 2024, 14:23
#53
17 Jan 2024, 14:23#53

Of course not Denny, did not expect to either but have to ask.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
17 Jan 2024, 14:37
#54
17 Jan 2024, 14:37#54

Denny

I do not support Russia - all I support is the truth.   I have been cfor a peaceful settlement of the Ukraine issue,   What upsedt me most is the role the UJSA played in this case.   Under Obama and Biden the USA caused a coup in Ulraine and isntalled a Government  of their choise in Kiev.   The cosntitution fo Ukraine was chucked out of the window and with it democracy in the country.   

Since 2014 the USA gave tens of billions to aid to  Ukraine and effectviely rule the Ukraine totally.    In fact after th war broke out the US Govenment fund the Kiev regime totally. 

The negotiation agreements signed by the Ukraine Presidents and  Putin was destroyed by the USA who controls the Kiev regime. 100%.    That was perhaps the fear that thhe USA could lose control if Democray is re-installed in Ukraine through at leadt 2 peace ageements that would have guaranteed  return of demcoracy to Ukraine - but that would ahve resulted in loss of control by the USA Goverment of their 100% control of the country/    

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Jan 2024, 16:30
#55
17 Jan 2024, 16:30#55

"Nope, not even remotely close....... not even a little bit"

Closer than you think. Yes, NATO is much stronger than Ukraine,  but do they dare? What happenned in WWII with the USA's military  support of England...what did the Germans do eventually?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
17 Jan 2024, 19:51
#56
17 Jan 2024, 19:51#56

Closer than you think. Yes, NATO is much stronger than Ukraine,  but do they dare?What happenned in WWII with the USA's military  support of England...what did the Germans do eventually?

The US took much stronger action back then. In addition to the military aid and equipment it was sending to Britain, it was actually protecting British and other nations merchant ships from German attacks and following the Greer incident, President Roosevelt issue an order to shoot to kill on sight of German and Italian naval vessels. This was viewed by the head of German navy at least as an undeclared declaration of war. It had also engaged German submarines before Germany declared war on America.

Its actually interesting looking at why Germany did actually declare war on America based on new research but that would be taking this thread off topic.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
17 Jan 2024, 19:54
#57
17 Jan 2024, 19:54#57

ouMaaik you say that you don't support Russia & Putin, but in over 50000 posts their disgusting, murderous behaviour is never ever never criticized ........................... totally beyond criticism.  The villains according to you, is 100% Biden, fecking bio-labs, & of course, the Minsk agreement. I don't believe you. Be honest for once .

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
18 Jan 2024, 02:10
#58
18 Jan 2024, 02:10#58

"This was viewed by the head of German navy at least as an undeclared declaration of war"

Indeed...where's Putin's line?...it takes one fool's rash action...

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
18 Jan 2024, 05:05
#59
18 Jan 2024, 05:05#59

where's Putin's line?

The world's biggest Nazi since Hitler invades a sovereign nation, over 15 million people are displaced from their homes, war crimes & genocide follows ......................... destruction of homes, hospitals, schools etc, total indiscriminate mayhem ......................... Putin's claim that the 'SMO' s necessary for denazification  & demilitarisation is yet another sick joke.

Putin knows that to be true, but he simply doesn't give a fuck.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
19 Jan 2024, 19:39
#60
19 Jan 2024, 19:39#60

Congrats to Putin for freeing the Russians of East Ukraine from the murderous NAZI Zelensky Regime.

The failute of the AFU to take back the Russian populated territories dispite massive supply of arms and traing etc by NATO is a a total embarrassment.

They believed their own hype. Now Putin is the man in charge.

NATO also thought they could expand eastwards with no Russian reply. They ignored Putin and reneged on their undertaking not to move eastwards one inch. Not look at the clowns! Russia has given NATO a good hiding! 

A great outcome is that Globalist leaders throughout Europe are coming under threat. The People have had enough of this war and mass immigration.

Hopefully Globalist traitors will face Nure mberg type trials.

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
19 Jan 2024, 19:49
#61
19 Jan 2024, 19:49#61


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AJHPro3,183 posts
19 Jan 2024, 21:24
#62
19 Jan 2024, 21:24#62

Would not surprise me if he was "Democrated" much like Epstein and the Clinton asssistant who was about to spill the story on Hillary.

Big money at stake with Ukraine so all bets are off...........

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
19 Jan 2024, 21:45
#63
19 Jan 2024, 21:45#63
Where are you two twats going for your next overseas holiday ........... Russia Iran or NKorea ?


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