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Apparently islands aren’t sinking…

Started by Mozart7 REPLIES1,011 VIEWS· 28 Jun 2024, 14:53
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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jun 2024, 14:53
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28 Jun 2024, 14:53#1

…….this from the NYT:


The island of Rakeedhoo in the Maldives. Jason Gulley for The New York TimesRising from the sea

By Raymond Zhong

I’m a climate reporter.

We humans have settled in all sorts of precarious environments: parched deserts, barren tundra, high mountains. None are precarious in quite the same way as atolls, the tiny, low-lying islands that dot the tropics. As the planet warms and the oceans rise, atoll nations like the Maldives, the Marshall Islands and Tuvalu have seemed doomed to vanish, like the mythical Atlantis, into watery oblivion.

Of late, though, scientists have begun telling a surprising new story about these islands. By comparing mid-20th century aerial photos with recent satellite images, they’ve been able to see how the islands have evolved over time. What they found is startling: Even though sea levels have risen, many islands haven’t shrunk. Most, in fact, have been stable. Some have even grown.

One study that rounded up scientists’ data on 709 islands across the Pacific and Indian Oceans showed that nearly 89 percent either had increased in area or hadn’t changed much in recent decades. Only 11 percent had contracted.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jun 2024, 14:59
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28 Jun 2024, 14:59#2

This is a remarkable article….running counter to the narrative. I’m still waiting for the articles that point out 

1) 40% of global warming occurred before there was significant man made CO2 in the atmosphere.

2) sea levels have been rising and glaciers were  shrinking before there was significant man made CO2 in the atmosphere.

3) Hurricanes are not worse….people have just spread further into danger zones.

4) it’s much better to be 1.2 degrees warmer than 1.2 degrees colder.

5) the obvious answer to reducing CO2 emissions is nuclear and until the world takes this obvious solution seriously you can be assured the scientists aren’t as worried as they pretend.

Keeping it real.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2024, 15:13
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28 Jun 2024, 15:13#3

Mozart

Is global warming a scare tactic to undrmine everything wqe blelieve in.   Thre are at lest 1 600 sceintsist aund the world who said it is BS and that the scare tactics are causing  harm to humanity.    It gives e Government powers that is un dermining democracy.

I am old enough to remember that th same people wh o now ch ampion gloabal warming a mere 59 years ago forecasted the enxt ice age would start in 1985 and then cang ed their tune t global warming when that did not happen.  

I can remember that the major topic in th e 1990's waqs tat Miami would eb udner water in 2005 and now near to 20 years later it did nt materialize.   You were in Miami the past year - is it under water?

I d beleive there is to much polution in the world iro which major action should be tajen by Governments - but toc lain that humans can cause cliamte change is really unbelievabe BS.         .         

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jun 2024, 15:51
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28 Jun 2024, 15:51#4
It’s undeniable that CO2 is a greenhouse gas. I do think the massive increase in CO2 as a result of human activity has probably raised temps….perhaps between 0.6 to 0.8 degrees.
But I’m unconvinced further increases in CO2 will have as much effect. That requires feedback loops in the models that amplify the base effect, whereas most natural phenomena have diminishing effects.
And we have used about half of the economically accessible oil ….suggesting this is a problem we don’t have that much control over. Try to stop using the oil in any significant way now and it will be a humanitarian disaster.
We have never addressed this issue honestly…..,mostly it’s politics. That’s where all the energy is.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
28 Jun 2024, 16:26
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28 Jun 2024, 16:26#5

...mostly it’s politics"   That is an absolute truth.

I am still a supporter of nuclear power and concentration must not be on wind and sun electricity.   It takes 1 000 of hectares to become unproductive from an agricultural persetive,  

There was at one stage an investigtion of  another nuclear power plant in S A.   The public outcry was very loud and destructive.   I remember meeting with the Consultants of the Government to discuss the pracical location of the power plant, but even some reasonable options was decided on that could not get public support for any suggested area that could be used.     

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
28 Jun 2024, 17:42
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28 Jun 2024, 17:42#6

The irony is, while we wring our hands and put obstacles in the way of building new nuclear, we continue to run far less safe 70 year old nuclear plants.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
28 Jun 2024, 19:23
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28 Jun 2024, 19:23#7

Wind and solar are not enough to meet the demand...ostrige head in the sand stuff...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
29 Jun 2024, 12:59
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29 Jun 2024, 12:59#8

To get to the stage where son and wind provide 50% of the required power there would be 80% of agricultural land gone.

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