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Are the Liberation Day Tariffs Dead in the Water?

Started by sharkbok12 REPLIES939 VIEWS· 29 May 2025, 02:04
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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
29 May 2025, 02:04
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29 May 2025, 02:04#1


What the Court Ruled

A federal court—the U.S. Court of International Trade—ruled that Donald Trump exceeded his authority by imposing the so-called "Liberation Day" tariffs, which were broad, across-the-board duties on imports from countries that export more to the U.S. than they import. The court found that the U.S. Constitution gives Congress, not the president, the exclusive power to regulate trade with foreign nations and to impose tariffs. The court determined that the emergency powers Trump cited (specifically, the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, or IEEPA) do not override this constitutional delegation to Congress158.


Does This Mean Trump Can No Longer Set Tariffs?

In short: Trump cannot impose sweeping, unilateral tariffs without congressional authorization.

  1. The court permanently blocked the "Liberation Day" tariffs, stating that the president does not have the unilateral authority to impose such tariffs under current law235.
  2. The ruling emphasized that only Congress can "lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises," and that the president cannot use emergency powers to bypass this constitutional requirement58.
  3. The decision applies specifically to the kind of broad, global tariffs Trump attempted to enact. It does not necessarily prohibit the president from imposing tariffs in all circumstances—presidents may still have authority to impose certain tariffs if Congress has delegated that power in specific statutes (such as for national security under Section 232 of the Trade Expansion Act, or anti-dumping duties)6.

What Happens Next?

  1. Most of Trump's recent tariffs are now on hold due to a permanent injunction from the court, effectively stopping his global tariff plans unless Congress acts or a higher court overturns the decision24.
  2. Some tariffs may still remain in effect if they were imposed under other, more specific statutory authorities, but the bulk of Trump's global tariffs are blocked2.
  3. The ruling may be appealed, but as of now, it sets a precedent that the president cannot unilaterally impose sweeping tariffs under emergency economic powers without explicit congressional authorization357.

Summary Table: Presidential Tariff Authority After the Ruling


Action TypeAllowed After Ruling?NotesUnilateral, sweeping global tariffsNoCourt says only Congress can authorize such action158Tariffs under specific congressional delegation (e.g., Section 232, anti-dumping)Yes, if law allowsMust be within scope of congressional delegationEmergency tariffs under IEEPANo (for broad, global use)Court found IEEPA does not grant this authority57


Conclusion

Trump—and any future president—cannot set broad, unilateral tariffs like the "Liberation Day" tariffs without explicit congressional approval. The president’s ability to impose tariffs is now more limited, and must be grounded in a clear, specific delegation of authority from Congress158.


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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
29 May 2025, 09:26
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29 May 2025, 09:26#2

Lekker ... another round for democracy, dictator Don se moer.

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DennyCaptain12,893 posts
29 May 2025, 10:39
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29 May 2025, 10:39#3

Lekker ... another round for democracy, dictator Emperor Don se moer.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 May 2025, 18:58
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29 May 2025, 18:58#4

Another round for Democracy with unelected judges disagreeing with the elected government and its legal advisors? But as you no doubt have read by now Shark, this won’t stop tariffs. This from Goldman Sachs:


  1. The administration could quickly replace the 10% across-the-board tariff with a similar tariff of up to 15% under Sec. 122. Those tariffs would last for only up to 150 days, after which the law requires Congressional action to extend (the law is not clear on whether the period could end after 150 days and then quickly restart again). Sec. 122 authorizes the President to address a balance of payments deficit or to prevent an imminent and significant depreciation in the dollar, but it does not require any formal investigation or process, so the administration could theoretically replace the current 10% tariff with a Sec. 122-based tariff within days if deemed necessary.
  2. The US Trade Representative could quickly launch Sec. 301 investigations on key trading partners, laying the procedural groundwork for tariffs after the investigation is complete. This would take longer, likely several weeks at a minimum and probably a few months to complete several investigations. There is no limit on the level or duration of tariffs under Sec. 301.
  3. Sec. 232 tariffs, which President Trump has already used for steel, aluminum, and autos, could be broadened to cover other sectors. We already expect additional sectoral tariffs (pharmaceuticals, semiconductors/electronics, etc) and uncertainty regarding the IEEPA-based tariffs could lead the White House to put more emphasis on sectoral tariffs, where there is much less legal uncertainty. President Trump has not emphasized sectoral tariffs as frequently lately as he did earlier this year, but if the White House finds it has less flexibility on country-focused tariffs, sectoral tariffs might receive more attention again.
  4. Sec. 338 of the Trade Act of 1930 allows the President to impose tariffs of up to 50% on imports from countries that discriminate against the US. This authority, which has never been used, is similar to the authority under Sec. 301, except that it limits the amount of the tariffs but does not require a formal investigation.


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This whole thing is inconvenient and only in the US would a court interfere in foreign affairs in this way, actually harming the ability of the government to negotiate. But it’s all part of the mosaic that has made America a free country. So, much as I think it’s actually anti democratic, it doesn’t concern me very much.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
29 May 2025, 20:00
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29 May 2025, 20:00#5

Yes, Mozart - I had read that earlier today. It could be a bumpy ride for all concerned.

I don't think one man should have uni-lateral power to decide tariffs at a whim, but we shall see how it all pans out.


Business is also about good will. Relationships have been in place long before any of us, and will continue long after. So if one president wants to boost his numbers for a short term gain, it may have a negative longer term impact on relationships.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
29 May 2025, 20:07
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29 May 2025, 20:07#6

Another round for Democracy with unelected judges disagreeing with the elected government and its legal advisors?


This whole thing is inconvenient and only in the US would a court interfere in foreign affairs in this way, actually harming the ability of the government to negotiate.


Exactly a win for democracy, with the judges pointing out that its congress (which is also part of the elected government) that has the power to regulate trade with other countries, not the President. Before Trump's election you where like ah the system of checks and balances will keep Trump inline, but when those check and balances take effect you now straight away you swing in behind Trump's narrative.


Also gotta laugh at unelected judges. Yeah truck loads of countries don't elect their judges, yet somehow the legitimize of their rulings are never questioned.


They are not interfering in foreign affairs they are ensuring that government work is is carried out by the proper authority. Do you want to be ruled by a King?


And you should be thankful for it. The less Trump can enact his batshit trade policies the better off America and the world will be.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
29 May 2025, 20:31
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29 May 2025, 20:31#7

A president or prime minister is in place to steer the ship. Experts in their respective fields have to be involved in decision making, as it is too complex for one person to do.


Russia has an all powerful president, that is not how Democracy works because they are also considering long term impact, not how a president can get a little bit of short term gain at the expense of long term damage.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
29 May 2025, 20:52
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29 May 2025, 20:52#8

In this case it is a court empowered to deal with trade, so more legitimate than some random judge. And they do have a legitimate point. But it’s taken them two months to come up with this ruling, during which much US leverage has already been expended. Exactly why the executive branch has wide powers to execute international policy, it can’t be effectively executed in legal time.


As for the tariffs…a blunt instrument. But without them no progress would be made in resolving the unsustainable trade deficits, which if continued will one day result in something that looks like the Financial Crisis, but far worse.


The Goldman people clearly think this ruling will in the end be sidestepped, unnecessarily lengthening the period of uncertainty. But it is a good illustration of the checks and balances which make me pretty sanguine about some of the Woke hair on fire claims posted on here every day.



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
29 May 2025, 21:23
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29 May 2025, 21:23#9

As for the tariffs…a blunt instrument. But without them no progress would be made in resolving the unsustainable trade deficits, which if continued will one day result in something that looks like the Financial Crisis, but far worse.


It's not that tariffs don't have a time and place, but boozaka blasting the entire world all the same time with them is in all probability far more likely going to create that far worse financial crisis than prevent it.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
30 May 2025, 08:00
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30 May 2025, 08:00#10

"I don't think one man should have uni-lateral power to decide tariffs at a whim, but we shall see how it all pans out."

I have said this before, not about tariifs but in general....fully agree

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
30 May 2025, 08:53
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30 May 2025, 08:53#11

Sounds like you agree, your chosen one's a dictator

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
30 May 2025, 10:07
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30 May 2025, 10:07#12

The atter ended up in the S uprme Court and the judgment went with Trump nearly unanimously, 8 Judges sruled in favor of Trump.


So back to hysteria level comments before the fact from S B - he des not know anthing on jurisprudence in the USA/ The fact is that whatsoever Trump aprves the Democratic Party ran to district judges appointed by Obama and Biden to get rulings that effectivcely has no federal or even State level decisions.


So what is to be expected next - it will be to pass legisation on dealing wth illegal mifrants whoa re gang members or other crimilas to be arrested and send back to their countries of origin.


Another court case by idiots relates to Universities in the USA getting in foreign students and granted visas tos students, The fact is that Universitie get massive annual grants from te USA Government that actually cover the costs of foreign students. The Trump Administration asked Universities to provide lists of the foreig students to whom the S tae Department graned visas for study urposes in the US A. In the Hamas riots taking lace since 2023 the students were incited by Hamas adherents in the USA and the Trump A dministration accuses those students of being abusing their via conditions as a result of antisemitism.


That represnets a problem - in leftist ideoogy adhered to 100% by the Democratic Party - criminality stems from the injustices relating to present living conditions in the USA. So criminals are to be protected by the Demcorats since the present economic system in the USA forced them into criminality, That applies to all criminals - also ilelgals illegals that entered the USA.over the past 2 decades, So the love of the Democrats for crimials continues unabated, A really stupid idioy that caused the DP massive loss support in recet opinion polls.

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I am surrised the House and Snate ahs not apssed legslation to enable the Departments concrned with foreig criminals in the USA - probably because scandalas and criminal actiosn of Democrat oliticans is a prority issue as well.



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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
30 May 2025, 11:48
#13
30 May 2025, 11:48#13

"Sounds like you agree, your chosen one's a dictator"

Very far from it

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