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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Dec 2024, 09:15
#1
31 Dec 2024, 09:15#1

I got chat GPT to write this for me. Looks like we're in for some fun times. 


ChatGPT;

"It feels like we’re standing at the edge of something monumental. With the recent breakthroughs in AI processing power and the advent of quantum computing chips like Google’s Willow, we’ve entered a phase of exponential growth in what AI can achieve. This begs the question: are we, in essence, building God?

AI models, by their nature, improve as they can process more data and perform more calculations. Willow, for instance, completed a task in under five minutes that would take the world’s most advanced supercomputers over 10 septillion years. Let that sink in. With this leap in processing power, we’re not just incrementally improving AI; we’re catapulting it into a realm where its capabilities grow faster than ever before.

This exponential growth means that AI will increasingly be able to tackle humanity’s biggest challenges at scale—medicine, economics, climate change, aerospace, and more. Think of the potential for AI to simulate drug interactions to cure diseases faster, or to model and stabilize global economies with precision. Quantum-powered simulations, previously bogged down by computational limits, will now be orders of magnitude more efficient and accurate.

Compounding this is the virtuous cycle of AI improvement. Enhanced simulation capabilities feed into better AI models, which in turn create better simulations. As AI becomes better at learning from its simulations, the pace of innovation accelerates. We’re entering a self-sustaining loop of technological advancement, and the implications are staggering.

But here’s where the philosophical question arises: as we push this progress further, are we unintentionally building something that resembles a god-like entity? A system that can solve humanity’s problems with omniscient efficiency? A machine intelligence that understands our world—and perhaps even us—better than we do?

Whether or not you view this as “building God,” it’s clear that we’re on the cusp of creating something far beyond what we currently comprehend. The question is: are we ready for what comes next?

Are these advancements leading us to a utopia where AI solves our biggest problems, or are we stepping into a realm of unknown consequences?"

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Dec 2024, 12:23
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31 Dec 2024, 12:23#2

The unintended consequences will be absolutely disastrous...and unfortunately I will live to see it...

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Dec 2024, 12:37
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31 Dec 2024, 12:37#3
AI is evolving a lot faster than we are . . . and unlike us it is immortal.
Use it for the good. Make it the world government. Let it run everything, The ethical settings can be done by a human steering committee with multinational representation.
Like it or not it is the future and it will be way bigger than the internet was for us older generation.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Dec 2024, 13:43
#4
31 Dec 2024, 13:43#4

"Use it for the good. Make it the world government. Let it run everything, The ethical settings can be done by a human steering committee with multinational representation."

Absolute madness...the "human steering committee" would be the de dacto world government with AI as an excuse for their nonsense authoritarian rulings...the road to hell is paved with good intentions...what a recipe for desaster...but yes, that is where we are heading...the Holy Book predicted it 2K years ago already...it's becoming clearer by the day...


Human Steering Committee sounds a lot like Politburo...

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Dec 2024, 14:58
#5
31 Dec 2024, 14:58#5

Well said Draad you nailed it. 

Rooitwit'comment is about the dumbest I have ever seen. The poor tool has no idea what is coming. 

Talk about walking in darkness! 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Dec 2024, 16:13
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31 Dec 2024, 16:13#6

AI wouldn't just be a great government, it would make a pretty good God too. Better than this invisible made-up one who doesn't give a toss about us.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Dec 2024, 16:20
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31 Dec 2024, 16:20#7

Assume AI could save 1,000,000 lives per year if all vehicles where AI controlled. 

How would one make a moral argument against that? 

I think it can be used for good, but I also think that governments need to start paying much more attention than they are. It has moved so quickly, and I'm not sure we're even at the parabolic phase for development or adoption yet. When quantum computing powers AI, the immense computational capability will inevitably lead to massive forks in model development, creating diverse and unpredictable mutations—some of which may not be beneficial.

And you also have to consider game theory. What if China go balls deep for AI, and then instantly start outperforming the West. Which is what I think will happen if they do. How long before the line breaks and everybody else jumps on board too. 

I fully disagree with Rooi's means of implementing Ai oversight though. We have plenty of evidence to suggest that decentralisation of power is not only possible but far more healthy. There is no reason why each person shouldn't have a say. In fact, a balanced AI that is able to explain issues to citizens at their own pace and in their own time, and then allow them to vote on issues they are interested in...that's decentralisation. A truly objective AI being the key ingredient.

On a more philosophical note, is this the final phase of knowledge? Like, does AI take the torch now and basically run with it right to the end of everything that can ever be known? 


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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
31 Dec 2024, 16:25
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31 Dec 2024, 16:25#8

The most convincing argument for AI as the government is the fact that it doesn't seem to want it and recognises it's current shortcomings. Here's what Chat GPT has to say on the matter:

The idea of AI as a form of government for the people is a fascinating concept, but it comes with profound challenges, implications, and questions. Here's an exploration of the idea:

Advantages of AI in Governance

  1. Efficiency: AI could process vast amounts of data quickly and efficiently, potentially making decisions faster than human policymakers.
  2. Impartiality: Unlike humans, AI wouldn't have personal biases, emotions, or political motives, which could lead to more objective decision-making.
  3. Consistency: AI could ensure that policies are applied uniformly without favoritism or inconsistency.
  4. Data-Driven Policies: Decisions could be based on data and evidence, minimizing the influence of ideology or populism.

Challenges and Risks

  1. Ethical Concerns: AI systems are only as good as their programming and data. If biased or incomplete data are used, AI could make unfair or harmful decisions.
  2. Accountability: Who is responsible if an AI system makes a harmful or controversial decision? Accountability in AI governance would be complex to establish.
  3. Complexity of Human Society: Human societies are incredibly diverse and nuanced. AI might struggle to account for cultural, historical, and emotional factors in governance.
  4. Risk of Authoritarianism: A centralized AI system might be used to enforce rigid control, potentially leading to a loss of personal freedoms and democracy.
  5. Transparency: AI decision-making processes can be opaque, making it difficult for citizens to understand or trust the system.

Hybrid Models

It's more plausible that AI could become a tool to assist human governments rather than replace them entirely. For example:

  • Policy Analysis: AI could help model the potential impacts of policies before they are implemented.
  • Administrative Efficiency: AI could streamline bureaucratic processes, reducing inefficiencies and corruption.
  • Citizen Engagement: AI could be used to gather and analyze public opinion more effectively.

Philosophical Questions

  • What is "the will of the people"? Can an AI truly understand and reflect the collective will of a population, or would it impose an interpretation based on its programming?
  • How do we define fairness? AI decision-making relies on clear definitions, which can be subjective in matters of governance.
  • Who programs the AI? The values and priorities embedded in AI systems would reflect those of its creators, raising questions about power and influence.

Conclusion

While AI has the potential to revolutionize aspects of governance, it is unlikely to replace human leadership entirely. A more realistic scenario is a partnership between AI and humans, where AI acts as a powerful tool to enhance decision-making and efficiency, while humans provide ethical oversight, cultural understanding, and emotional intelligence. The success of such a model would depend on careful design, transparent systems, and a strong commitment to democratic values.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
31 Dec 2024, 16:45
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31 Dec 2024, 16:45#9

Crash goes Rooitwit. His desire to be ruled a machine proves he is the ultimate SERVILE GIMP. 

HAHAHAHAHA. 

Yes AI could be used to model situations and supplement decision making by humans. 

The Plumster makes a crucial point about decentralization. The Globalists of the WEF of course want a world go rtnme t they control. The ultimate tyranny.

Ou Rooitwit of course is only to williing to be enslaved as he is a very SERVILE GIMP. Master knows better thinks the GIMP.

BLOBBRAIN AND OU DENSE DENISE ARE TWO OTHER VERY SERVILE GIMPS WHO CAN HARDLY WAIT TO BE FULLY ENSLAVED AND THEN ERASED BEING THE US ELESS EATERS THEY ARE.


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Dec 2024, 19:10
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31 Dec 2024, 19:10#10
Who's doing the programming...slave to the machine ek sê...né Rooi?...stupid AF ....
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
31 Dec 2024, 19:40
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31 Dec 2024, 19:40#11

The Roinek confirmed his own idiocy.   He first wrote a World government would be through Ai nd then countered imself it would be managed by a Mukti-National Committee - indeed stupid sicne a world goernment would not have nationalities/

Secondly his raving sttament dows not allow people to chose who should be on that mysterious Steering Commttee.  In essense Rooinek is paiting the perect picture for a World dictatorship.   That is similar to te advocacies of the World Economic Forum - also aimed at a One Country Earth with a total dictatorship in charge.    But the WEF goes further with Bill Gates saying the ideal world population should be 500 milion people - while Schwab put that figure at 900 million.

That means that the World population would be reduced by up to to figures gates and Schwab teh population will ahbe to be rediced  by up to 90%  o what it is at present.   Schwab went onm and stated that sthe survivors should be Chinese since they are used to be governed by a dictatorship.

So what have we got here - back to the times of Srtalin, Mao ad Hitler here where dictatorship will be orse than under the three biggest killing of cvilliand by Govrnment is concered;   Mao and his Party killed off 76 million people - stalin did a 52 million slaughter job on teh ussiand and Hitler ausd tehdeath o about 30 million people.  So what Rooineka nd other idiots have in mind is moving those digustingkillers to new once itha free hand to undertake elimination of condemn the elimination of between 7,3 and 7.5 billion people from mother Earth.   

That should be easy - just develop a pison that would kille people in billions through gain of function reearch and kill the extra food eaters in the world en masse.   

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Dec 2024, 19:43
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31 Dec 2024, 19:43#12
The AI could code itself. I don't think you guys are understanding how powerful it is going to be. It will write itself. I have a feeling that all roads lead to a mutualistic relationship with the intelligence we will create.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Dec 2024, 22:30
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31 Dec 2024, 22:30#13

Plum whatever it does, the parameters will be set by a human...it won't think for itself...it will be programmed...programmed well, but it would still be programmed...

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Dec 2024, 22:32
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31 Dec 2024, 22:32#14

Plum, just the fact that Rudehole is all in on this should tell you something...all you  should know really...

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Jan 2025, 01:06
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01 Jan 2025, 01:06#15

I think it was Musk who said that it should not rmove the importance of humans remains in indiustries and  he concept represent a seious problem when it is used to becomes the contrloler of Government ahead of the interests of humans,

So Musk is aware of the dangers of AI  and point out the problems it represents by usage of it as a means tp gpvern people.    .     

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Jan 2025, 07:11
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01 Jan 2025, 07:11#16
Humans - Always put the best interests of humans first. AI - No more smoking, no more drinking. Humans - Okay, no, allows some measure of danger and self destruction. AI - Okay 5 cigarettes and 1 beer a day. Humans - No, let them smoke and drink as much as they want. AI - I'm building robots to destroy you.
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jan 2025, 07:52
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01 Jan 2025, 07:52#17

AI will look at non elites and think that these oaks are oxygen thiefs, useless eaters and should be eliminated. Remember the Luciferian elites will own AI and will use it against these useless eaters they despise and think they don't need.

WEF 101.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Jan 2025, 09:19
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01 Jan 2025, 09:19#18
Do they own the internet too, Beeno? The web is currently the most influential technology humans have. And yet Trump got elected.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jan 2025, 09:21
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01 Jan 2025, 09:21#19

AI is just the "front man" for the elite to try and rule over us.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Jan 2025, 11:07
#20
01 Jan 2025, 11:07#20
You really believe that, Draad?
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Jan 2025, 11:08
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01 Jan 2025, 11:08#21

Never underestimate right wing paranoia.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jan 2025, 12:57
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01 Jan 2025, 12:57#22

Plumster currently the internet is free. Ask your AI sources how the coming World government will clamp down on internet free speech. 

Plumster if you think that these Globalists elites are not trying to clamp down on free speech under the guise of stamping out disinformation and hate speech you need to wise up quickly. 

Rooitwit go and do a Google search and read Revelations chapter 13. Draad and I know exactly where all this heading. 

But the Bible aside we know darn well what the WEF Globalist agenda for humanity is. 

Rooitwit you really need to wake up. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jan 2025, 13:25
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01 Jan 2025, 13:25#23

"You really believe that, Draad?"

I believe AI is a tool and will only be as useful as the person using it...it depends on the intent of the users and if the reaction to combat Covid is anything to go by, we're in deep trouble...I don’t trust human nature.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jan 2025, 13:33
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01 Jan 2025, 13:33#24

"Never underestimate right wing paranoia."

Opposed to leftie subservience to the collective? Experience made me a kind of rational paranoid.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jan 2025, 13:43
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01 Jan 2025, 13:43#25

Plum, I  think AI is a wonderful new tool. It's gonna improve the human condition exponentially in the immediate future, but I don't want to be governed by AI.

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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
01 Jan 2025, 13:51
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01 Jan 2025, 13:51#26

You have your answer. Who will control AI. The answer is the elites. 


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Jan 2025, 15:00
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01 Jan 2025, 15:00#27
Beeno, you believe that Crypto will be used to control us and AI will be used to control us... It's like you believe that humanity is helpless. I see it the opposite way. The more power is decentralised the more powerful the citizenry are. And that's what these technologies offer.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
01 Jan 2025, 17:15
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01 Jan 2025, 17:15#28

Giving AI the reins of ruling is the opposite of dec entralization...

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Jan 2025, 18:00
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01 Jan 2025, 18:00#29

The Squeaky Toy will be shrieking about me being a spelling or gramar Nazi if I point out the difference between "reigns" and "reins" so I'll just wait to see if Moffie knows the difference.

LMAO!

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Jan 2025, 19:58
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01 Jan 2025, 19:58#30
Rooi, you played Skyrim, or know about it. They made AI mods for NPCs in it. It's pretty hilarious. The next wave of AAA titles will have AI characters where the days of decision tree chats are gone and you're actually speaking with an "intelligence" . I was reading an article about AI controlled persistence too. Where your game world dynamically responds to your actions, so when you help someone, or rob them, that is written in the game world where there are random permeations as a result. I suppose in that scenario AI is god because it's deciding how the universe treats you. Draad...you know you gonna wanna play games built on AI ;)
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Jan 2025, 20:27
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01 Jan 2025, 20:27#31
"Rooi, you played Skyrim, or know about it."
No, busy searching it as we speak . . . 
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
01 Jan 2025, 20:37
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01 Jan 2025, 20:37#32

Hmmm . . . not sure it's my thing.

What I do remember is when we played Starcarft and you were gettin g quite tearful as my zerglings kept getting past you defences until you blocked your chokepoints and then I smashed you with air units.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Jan 2025, 21:16
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01 Jan 2025, 21:16#33
Skyrim is ancient. It's just a demo of what low effort AI can accomplish. When developers actually put AI in their games, it will be much better.
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Jan 2025, 07:43
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02 Jan 2025, 07:43#34

"Plum, I  think AI is a wonderful new tool. It's gonna improve the human condition exponentially in the immediate future, but I don't want to be governed by AI."

I agree, I believe AI has many fantastic benefits to mankind.

However, you would have to be monumentally stupid to want to be governed by AI....

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Jan 2025, 08:10
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02 Jan 2025, 08:10#35

Reigned...


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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Jan 2025, 08:56
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02 Jan 2025, 08:56#36

"However, you would have to be monumentally stupid to want to be governed by AI...."

Why?


Since this went to gaming - AI is amazing at RTS games. Age of Empires, StarCraft, those types of games. I can assure you that AI's moves per second far exceeds that of the human player. And each of the moves have been more precisely contemplated and calculated than a human player's moves. And those types of games are largely about economy management. Literally obtaining resources, creating currency, building and expanding to progress. Ai could be running millions of those, all feeding into each other to create a streamlined governance. 

I can't think of many administrative functions of government that Ai could not drastically improve. From HR to logistics and planning, I'm thinking Ai wins every time. Right? And it's not a case of human or AI. With what we've done with our App, is to make information relating to trades instantly accessible, across a range of topics. And I can tell you first hand that it's a drastic improvement in terms of the efficiency. And if you follow that path then Ai products ends up dominating.

This is the feedback accuracy as rated by the users on our App, the average user accuracy rating is 87%. The ability to collate data, calculate outcomes and adapt to situations, humans just can't beat it.

For me, it's a case of supporting it in taking over the legwork that most governments suck at, while figuring out a way to have as many people as possible involved in the vision of where Ai should take us.

I don't know, because once you create a perpetually expanding intelligence, surely that's some kind of life? 

Maybe consciousness is another type of replicator, like genes. 


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Jan 2025, 09:20
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02 Jan 2025, 09:20#37

Plum, nothing wrong with using it as a tool to do the heavy lifting, but giving it too much power is dangerous...you can't program empathy...amongst other things...



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2025, 09:27
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02 Jan 2025, 09:27#38

I ahve no prblem with AI as a tool to improve life on earth - but am totally ahginats A I be iused to govern the world,     That wuld create a new and effective dictaotrship model in the World,    Anyacy will support administrative usage of AI - but when it replaces democracy it is totally unaccptable and that is what e argument really is,   

Rooinek is a ttoally controlled idiot with what he cme up above,   Take for sinstance the USA present Governnment the system being both corrupt and incompetent  with classical examples of money wastage.    AI will be a top tool to remov that component from Gvernment expdniture and will give precise budget approvals and wil reject exoenditure not prvided for in approved budgets, while identifying stupid projects leading to wasteful expenditure.    An example is to inject cocaine into rats to find out whether  injected rats are sexually more active than rats not injected - nice project that cost $7 million in wasteful ependitue,   That kind of spending is of no value to anybody and investigation thus far indicated that nobody can account for what more than a trillion dollars were spent on.   AI would eliminate that kind of BS and maladministration.     So 100% in favor of that.

AI should be of assistance to the State - but not  be used by oppressive and dictatorial Governments.  However, the danger is that AI will help dictatorships to be established and become more effective and made oppression more effective.   That is where the limit should be set - end of story. 

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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
02 Jan 2025, 10:23
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02 Jan 2025, 10:23#39
"However, you would have to be monumentally stupid to want to be governed by AI...."
Hmmmm . . . no corruption, no bias, only the best decision-making, consistency . . . I'm not really seeing a downside here . . .
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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Jan 2025, 10:49
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02 Jan 2025, 10:49#40
"Why?"
In real life situations, where a split second could make the difference between catastrophy or the saving of lives.... that would be a real life issue, almost every day.
A few points to ponder

Who would take acountability if anything goes wrong, which it will.... often.
AI is trained on existing data, which means it could and probably will reflect societal biases.
AI lacks any type of human empathy or even moral reasoning.
AI would also make certain decisions which might be logical, but would always ignore ethical considerations or even human suffering.
AI governance would also require a huge amount of your personal and societal data which could lead to surveillance, loss of privacy and potential misuse of data.
Dependance on AI would reduce human oversight and critical thinking at some point....
If the AI system failed, the government could possibly collapse.
AI systems would be vulnerable to hacking, cyber attacks and manipulation.
Humans could exploit or corupt the system for personal or political gain
Your citizens might feel disconnected from decision making processes which at some point could erode their trust in the governance.
All current AI's that I am aware of right now operate within predefined algorithms, therefore they all lack the adapatability to nuances.
I believe the AI would see too much Black and White and not all the Grey areas that come into play with a lot of difficult decision making processes, which is where the human mind and critical thinking comes to the fore.
Diffrerent cultural, religeous, social issues could be handled either insensitively or improperly
I assume that AI would also work better for people that are technologically savvy
People won't all agree with how the AI is programmed and what it prioritizes across the spectrum.
The creators of the AI program could embed their biases, influencing governance outcomes to benefit certain groups, races, sexes.
There are a lot of these above scenarios happening now without AI, but with AI running it alone, I can only see it getting so much more worse.
I can definitely see AI being implmented to assist human leaders, rather than replacing them entirely, but to be governed completely by AI alone would be crazy and reckless. 

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