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As Lockdown ends, Anti-Lockdown Protestors become Anti-Vaccine Passport Protestors

Started by sharkbok10 REPLIES362 VIEWS· 25 Jul 2021, 19:01
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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
25 Jul 2021, 19:01
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25 Jul 2021, 19:01#1

Once everyone has been offered a Covid vaccine jab within a country, there is no longer a reason to have lockdowns. 
Some countries like the UK have ended Covid lockdowns, hopefully forever. 

The number of Covid cases has increased rapidly with lockdown ending, but deaths are not rising out of control. (at least for hospitals). 

Hospitals will not get overwhelmed because the majority will have had the vaccine meaning much fewer hospital admissions. 
It will mostly be anti-vaxxers dying and going to the hospital but that is, unfortunately, their choice. 

To ensure Covid infections go down, it is logical to only allow vaccinated people into mass events with lots of people in a small space- or medical proof of past infection.
This is a short-term measure until either.

1. Anti-vaxxers get Covid, and either: recover developing anti-bodies or die.

2. Herd Immunity starts to kick in: Covid numbers go down drastically because the virus is infecting everyone. Many vaccinated people will not feel symptoms so the reporting of active cases is actually much lower than the true number of infections. 

It should be someone's choice to take the vaccine, but it should not be their choice to infect as many people as possible. 

Yet here we are again with the same clowns (former anti-lockdowner's) now protesting about temporary vaccine passports. They can't complain about lockdowns because they are now over, 

The vaccine passport is a temporary measure. As more people develop anti-bodies from the vaccine or past infection, Covid deaths will decline (unless there is some new more radical mutation). 

The anti-vaxxers are slowing down the progress, so it makes sense only they have lockdown measures. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
25 Jul 2021, 23:42
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25 Jul 2021, 23:42#2

Bump above Beeno conspiracy nonsense

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2021, 05:53
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26 Jul 2021, 05:53#3

Sounds wonderful - King Biden also claimed that vaccines stop transfer of Covid and  the Governors of States in the USA wants to continue with indefinite lockdowns. and then travel to States at  Government expense to States where lockdowns is not in place for their holidays.   Do as I say - do not do what I do?  

vaccination passports will be a crime against democracy - as bad as was the internal passports needed to travel within Russia from one town to another under the great hero of yours Stalin.    .      

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
26 Jul 2021, 13:51
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26 Jul 2021, 13:51#4
Take the vaccine, or your freedoms are restricted. It is that simple.
If you don't care about protecting yourself that is fine, but it is not fine if you don't care about protecting other people.
Religious conspiracy simpletons like Beeno are surplus to the requirements of the human race in the 21st century.

If these type of peoples freedoms are restricted for a short while, that is fine. (at least until they have Covid, and can prove this with anti-bodies- or they are dead), 
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2021, 14:55
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26 Jul 2021, 14:55#5

It is not that simple at all.   nobody can force people to do something they object to by that kind of action - this is supposed to be a democracy, not a dictatorship regime.

As you know I was vaccinated - but nobody can tell me not to visit people who have not been vaccinated.   It is just against everything human freedom  entails.    I am not with Beeno on everything he writes on site.   Anyway Religion has silch to do with this issue.    

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
26 Jul 2021, 15:03
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26 Jul 2021, 15:03#6
In a Democracy, the decision is made by the majority.

It is only the minority that is not vaccinated, so they are irrelevant. So by Democratic decision, their freedoms are limited.

If an Arab wanted to bomb a building in the UK/US, should you allow them to do this under the banner of freedom?
No, because freedoms are restricted by the freedom of others. The freedom of the majority takes precedence. 

They should all go to a field and inject themselves with Covid- not the vaccine.Any survivors will have their freedoms back again. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2021, 15:13
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26 Jul 2021, 15:13#7

The majority has no right to act unconstitutionally in any democracy. - you are in line with the Democrats who fight a constant battle on all fronts against he US Constitution.   L0ogic is not your strong point and that you cannot think for yourself objectively is there for everyone to see.         

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
26 Jul 2021, 15:25
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26 Jul 2021, 15:25#8

Cant you provide some other examples of other countries? Why do you always refer to the US as an example.

The US is the last first world country with so many religious rednecks. The only positive aspect is that the younger generations are smarter, and therefore less religious. 



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2021, 15:29
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26 Jul 2021, 15:29#9

Because I know the US Constitution and the SA constitution - but not the French and  Germany  Constitutions.   However, the Democratic constitutions in general all have guarantees against Government overreach in democracies and the most notable of Government opverreach is at present in the USA.       

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sharkbokCaptain23,203 posts
26 Jul 2021, 15:47
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26 Jul 2021, 15:47#10

You are a religious person, and therefore not Democratic. So, you cant understand Democracy.
God is like Stalin- a dictator. One truth, one reality. Only the brain dead go to heaven etc.
No competition like in Democracy. 

Christianity is from the Arabs, who still have not progressed past this - and still using Sharia Law etc. All(most) characters in the Old Testament are Arab bastards. 

If it is a situation where not everyone can be happy, a government needs to act in the best interest of the majority. 

Something like 98% of white people in the UK has had the vaccine, or plan to have it. 
The other 2% will need to get Covid and then die or can use this as proof of anti-bodies in order to get a Covid passport. 

It is the choice of other races to not have the vaccine.
Black people in the UK make up the most vaccine-hesitant- even though they are most likely to die from Covid. It is their choice, but they can't fuck up the freedoms of others, just because they are reluctant to get vaccinated.

So you want the unvaccinated to go to events and be super spreaders, in the name of Democracy. Democracy is rule by the majority. The unsilent minority can piss off. 


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
26 Jul 2021, 17:23
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26 Jul 2021, 17:23#11

BS - my brother calls me an atheist because  I virtually never go to church.  I also know that I am on the side of what is right  in the world and  what you carry on about is total BS.   People ahve the right to know what they decide as long as it is within the law.   You do not even know that most of the Blackks are on average more religious in the USA - and also in SA. - and 80% of them vote for the Democrats  and thus far only about 7% has been vaccinated.   

So in the USA the government think they can undermine the Constitution because at this stage they are in the majority.   The fact is that the reason for constitutions in democratic  countries are exactly to ensure that majority  government stays within laid down  legal rules and do not become oppressive.    

The latest. super spreaders in the USA  were  twice vaccinated member of the Texas house of representatives who went to Washington to undermine the legal sitting of the Texas House and infected people in the White House and people they have been in contact with.    Vaccination provides  ZERO guarantee that vaccinated people do not spread the virus and what you say is absolute illiterate BS.    Let me go on a bit - your hero in Washington has opened the borders and in the past two months more than 360 000 illegal migrants have crossed the Southern Border of the USA and they have not been vaccinated.   They are taken by bus and airplanes to cities all over the USA  - are they not super-spreaders?     

In nay event I do  think that your interpretation of Democracy and constitutional law is so  limited you van only repeat unlawful BS.       

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