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Atheist journalist and author, Frank Morison, tried to debunk Christ and was converted instead.

Started by Seb31 REPLIES744 VIEWS· 13 Apr 2023, 10:40
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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
13 Apr 2023, 12:33
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13 Apr 2023, 12:33#2

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
13 Apr 2023, 13:56
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13 Apr 2023, 13:56#3

Well I am convinced some muppet gets conned into believing fairytales over 90 years ago (been dead for 70 years) surprised you're not claiming it as a miracle or since it doesn't involve a piece of burnt toast it can't count as one of your "Miracles"

I wonder if there are any true believers around that have converted to Atheism, I am sure there must be 1 or 2 over the last 90 years. Think I will go google it and see if it is possible.


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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
14 Apr 2023, 06:23
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14 Apr 2023, 06:23#4

There's also a guy who convinced himself that an angel called Moroni (rather apt name, since there is no i in angel) appeared to him and showed him where some golden plates were buried which he was called to translate, with even good old John the Baptist checking in on him during the translation.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
15 Apr 2023, 02:35
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15 Apr 2023, 02:35#5

If you earnestly seek the truth you will find it. There are some earnest seekers out there.

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CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
15 Apr 2023, 04:17
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15 Apr 2023, 04:17#6

You should take your own advice there, who knows one day you just might find it.

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PakieCaptain17,321 posts
15 Apr 2023, 05:07
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15 Apr 2023, 05:07#7

If you earnestly seek the your truth you will find it.

Fixed.

I may seek as I want, I will never in these searches find that spinach is the best tasting veggie in the world. Some other people will. But that will be their truth, not mine. Other people are not you. Expecting them to be, expecting them to draw the same conclusions or find the same "truth" as you about any matter, religion or otherwise if only they "search" hard enough, is infantile, naive, and idiotic.

It's what happens when you swallow your dogma whole without chewing and tasting first.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
15 Apr 2023, 06:13
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15 Apr 2023, 06:13#8
I don’t see the point. Many people go to church and are turned into atheists or worse.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Apr 2023, 08:30
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15 Apr 2023, 08:30#9
There's a point...stand a step back.
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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Apr 2023, 08:43
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15 Apr 2023, 08:43#10

There is a problem - there are since earliest time a belief system in human beings.   Through many centuries the major religions relate to various Christian and Muslim religious believes were dominant in the religious fields - bar India, China and Japan where other relgions were in the main in evidence.

A new development in the last 50 years was the rise in atheism - another religious impact ideology took off and increased support is in evidence -  fascism and socialist leading to a belief system as well -  and lastly Global Warming    Of those systems most aim at absolute control of mankind in the world - in other words which support the adherents and are bound to destroy mankind as a whole in the world.        

 



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Apr 2023, 09:03
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15 Apr 2023, 09:03#11

Atheism is simply a lack of belief in a god. Despite religious people who feel threatened by it attaching extra labels on it in an attempt to disparage it, all atheism is a lack of belief in a god and no more.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Apr 2023, 11:50
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15 Apr 2023, 11:50#12

Atheism is just a reflection from inherent belief system  inherent to all human beings.   It at the same time is accompanied by other belief systems mentioned above.    Basically atheist belief in nothing  is tripe - they hide their actual belief systems through  atheism. 

In the history of mankind when  the choice of freedom to belief in things is challenged the result is human oppression - in the 20th Centry it let to murder of people on a massive basis by regimes that claimed they are atheist - the killing fields were more than 200 million.   So what did the regimes claims they are doing - they basically refer to socialism and fascism as a mode of oppressive Government.  

Global Warming is the latest political weapon to control all humans by inhumane methods.                      

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Apr 2023, 13:10
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15 Apr 2023, 13:10#13
Atheism is just a reflection from inherent belief system  inherent to all human beings.   It at the same time is accompanied by other belief systems mentioned above.    Basically atheist belief in nothing  is tripe - they hide their actual belief systems through  atheism.

Thanks Mike for demonstrating once again that you know absolutely nothing about the topic being discussed.

In the history of mankind when  the choice of freedom to belief in things is challenged the result is human oppression
Atheism does not challenge the choice of freedom to believe in things.
in the 20th Centry it let to murder of people on a massive basis by regimes that claimed they are atheist - the killing fields were more than 200 million.
Atheism had nothing to do with the mass murders of the 20th century. Some of the regimes behind the killings happened to be atheist but that wasn't why the mass murders where carried out. They where carried by authoritarian regimes that would not tolerate anything that was a potential rival power base, be they different ethnic groups, other political parties or religions. The argument that religion would act as a moral restraint on such regimes doesn't hold water as many wars throughout history have been motivated by religion and many violent acts have been carried out in war by people who considered themselves religious.  For example, on the belt buckle of German soldiers during WW2 where the words God with us.
Global Warming is the latest political weapon to control all humans by inhumane methods. 

Utter rubbish.




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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
15 Apr 2023, 15:16
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15 Apr 2023, 15:16#14

Seems most non-believers look for fault in believers instead of seeking God while He may be yet found.

There is no monopoly of God. Good people come to know him, bad people come to know him. 

The secret is that He is our main source of goodness. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Apr 2023, 15:58
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15 Apr 2023, 15:58#15

"Global Warming is the latest political weapon to control all humans by inhumane methods. 


Utter rubbish."
No it's not....Climate change is more about politics than about science...although there is an actual threat of sorts, the solutions offered by politicians are laughable...carbon credits...LMAO!!!
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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Apr 2023, 16:01
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15 Apr 2023, 16:01#16

Seems most non-believers look for fault in believers instead of seeking God while He may be yet found.

Generally speaking non-believers don't look for faults in believers but they are free to defend themselves when others misrepresentat them and to point out the hypocrisy in the arguments some believers use.

There is no monopoly of God. Good people come to know him, bad people come to know him.

Great, so that rules you out of every using the no true Scotsman argument. Religious people can be good and bad, just as atheists can be good and bad.

The secret is that He is our main source of goodness.

If you want to believe that, all well and good.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Apr 2023, 16:14
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15 Apr 2023, 16:14#17
Utter rubbish."
No it's not....Climate change is more about politics than about science...although there is an actual threat of sorts, the solutions offered by politicians are laughable...carbon credits...LMAO!!!
Climate change is a political weapon only in so far that climate skeptics have tried to make into one. They do so because of a lack of evidence to back up their position scientifically.

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
15 Apr 2023, 16:45
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15 Apr 2023, 16:45#18

An unbeliever never needs to be good, he can do as he/she pleases. Though they may do some good deeds salvation is not based on it.

The unbeliever above was not saved because of deeds but because of the cleansing power of the blood of Christ in their life. 

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
15 Apr 2023, 16:48
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15 Apr 2023, 16:48#19

"Climate change is a political weapon only in so far that climate skeptics have tried to make into one. They do so because of a lack of evidence to back up their position scientifically."

Explain  carbon credits...how does it benefit the environment?

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Apr 2023, 18:16
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15 Apr 2023, 18:16#20

Explain  carbon credits...how does it benefit the environment?

No problem, carbon credits benefit the environment by...Munster...Munster...Munster!!!

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Apr 2023, 19:30
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15 Apr 2023, 19:30#21

mm

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Apr 2023, 19:31
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Apr 2023, 19:33
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
15 Apr 2023, 22:24
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15 Apr 2023, 22:24#24

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
16 Apr 2023, 04:57
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16 Apr 2023, 04:57#25
Islamic countries have very low alcoholism ....yet you hate them too.
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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
16 Apr 2023, 05:44
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16 Apr 2023, 05:44#26

I've nothing against Russians ........ their tragedy lies with their evil dictatorial leaders

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
16 Apr 2023, 06:12
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16 Apr 2023, 06:12#27

Don't let them make you an alcoholic.

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SebPro2,680 posts
16 Apr 2023, 09:13
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16 Apr 2023, 09:13#28

Shelling of Russian worshipers in church on Orthodox Christian celebration at easter.

Don't worry, Moonrover and Mike...you won't find propaganda.

https://www.rt.com/shows/news/574791-rtnews-april-16-09msk/

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bobbok...Captain10,129 posts
16 Apr 2023, 19:05
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16 Apr 2023, 19:05#29

People save icons as they clear the rubble after a Russian rocket ruined an Orthodox church in rocket attack on Easter night in Komyshuvakha. AP

Earlier on Sunday, the governor of the Zaporizhzhia province reported that Russian shelling overnight hit an Orthodox church in the town of Komyshuvakha.

Photos showed local residents rescuing icons from the church, its gutted frame visible in the background.

At least four civilians were killed and eight others were wounded on Saturday and overnight, Ukrainian officials reported on Sunday morning.

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PlumCaptain21,007 posts
17 Apr 2023, 07:40
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17 Apr 2023, 07:40#30
“ There's a point...stand a step back.8-)” I spend my life taking a step back, Draad. A testimony is anecdotal and dependant on the individual’s experience and circumstances. To me, the argument for religion through testimony is pointless because anyone can become convinced of anything at any time…and people also lie their balls off. I’ve watched Darren Brown convert a life long long atheist in all of three minutes. It had nothing to do with god and everything to do with her mental state. I also had a friend that dealt ecstasy tablets. His mother inadvertently took one before church and became deeply religious after that. He has never told her what actually happened. So, i’m happy for people that find peace, happiness and security via faith. I’m all for it and i do honestly wish them the best. …but stories don’t convince me of anything.
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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
17 Apr 2023, 08:30
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17 Apr 2023, 08:30#31

"A testimony is anecdotal and dependant on the individual’s experience and circumstances."


The point isn't to proof anything, it's a testimonial...typical to Christian faith.

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SebPro2,680 posts
18 Apr 2023, 07:06
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18 Apr 2023, 07:06#32

 I believe there comes a time in every body's life where you you are brought into a situation where you are called to make a life changing decision that comes from deep searching honesty that neither man or anything else can fulfill, it has to be Power far greater than what we can perceive or imagine.


https://youtu.be/iEhf64ojBa0

 

 

Completely different interpretation listen to it as a belief, a dialog, and a very deep confession, his walk with God thru life and the dark nights we all experience. I listen to this and I feel very deep love and consolation, and yes, especially when I hear “lay your hands upon me now”


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