Bernie Sanders..... Trump’s inauguration .... my thoughts.

Where was Bernie the last 4 years?

Ja if he was around he might have saved your sorry ass from heading down that rabbit hole.

Blo, search for "Joe Rogan Bernie Sanders"

He did quite a good podcast and made a lot of sense with some of his ideas. Joe is actually a big fan.

Personally I think he leans a little too socialist but it's from a genuine place.

Bernie is one of the few guys thinking about the effects of AI on average people and how AI might take us forward but it does come with the risk of putting many people out of work 

My sorry ass is just find Bob...

What a dick

What a bloody coward

Why didn't he speak up through the years of complete ineptitude by the Biden administration, and here he talks about Trump just a few days in to his own term.

Trump has done more in a few days at that oval desk than Biden or Kamala did in 4 years.

One only has to look at what Trump just did now to the Columbian president regarding his refusal to take the migrant planes, after initially accepting to do so.....

Now he has even offered sending his own plane to collect the migrants ...

THAT, is what your president should be doing for his people .....

Biden and Harris would still be discussing who to talk to, to get what team together, to provide a written or verbal response, that might be delivered next week, hoping for a favourable response from Gustavo Petro to please accept the migrants

Biden and Harris would still be discussing who to talk to, to get what team together, to provide a written or verbal response, that might be delivered next week, hoping for a favourable response from Gustavo Petro to please accept the migrants

Petro didn't have an issue with the fact that these people were being deported back to Columbia, it was the manner in how these people were treated during the deportation process and the use of military planes to do it.

The issue wouldn't have happened at all under Biden and Harris. The normal deportation procedure would have been followed and the migrants would of been sent back on a regular commercial aircraft and Columbia wouldn't have said a word about it.

One hell of a lot assumptions there...

Stav

With respect it weoulf ave been a no g under Bifden and Harris - they will do bugger-all about it becasue somebody prescrined to Biden he Border and with every utterance they made they enccouraged more people to enter,   No identity  or background checks - no questioning - just give them a meal and then onto planes and buses and fop them off in cities and towns where the lcal auhroties had to sound acommodation for them and the hea t pay an alliance to them to buy food fo hemseleves or book the into low cost hotels.   

That while hundres of thousands of the US poor lives in tents on sidewalks - hundreds and thousands of them.   

Bernie is at least honest - he is not and ever ahs been a member of the D P - he is a idealist Communist who admire Mao and Fidel Castro.   He believes in socia;ism and uttered much support for the working class - but implementation is not his forte he peferred to moan about the workers - but has no idea hpw to really help them.   

A real theorist and much like the only real Cmmunist I have ever met - Rowley Arenstein a grand nephew of Karl Marx,   When I asked him about Stalin and Mao being murderous bastards - he told me that hey were npt Communists - tey were dictators, using Communism fior their own pwer puposes - but neve really implemnt that really helps the people.   

Bernie's real problem he talks the right talk - but wih implmentation he was as useless as Biden and Harris,

Jsut a question military planes re usedd to transport soldiers - so are the migrants to be above the ranking of US soldoers in your book?   Weird argument to say the least,  .         

No assumptions, just reality. 

Last year Colombia accepted 124 deportation flights from America. 

From what I've read on the situation, the people being deported to Colombia had no legal right to be in America so the fact that they were being deported back to Colombia was not the issue.

Petro's issue was with the fact that were be brought back via military planes and he also referenced a video of a deportation flight from the US to Brazil in which the deportees were handcuffed and had their feet restrained on the flight. He objected to Colombian nationals being treated like that.

Also when DA said

"Now he has even offered sending his own plane to collect the migrants ..."

This is a misrepresentation of events, it makes it sounds like Petro made this offer as a concession to Trump after Petro caved to his demands.

Petro made the offer of the plane before he gave into Trump's demands. I.E he was willing to send his own plane to bring back the deportees rather than them been flown back in a military plane.  So it actually completely undermines the argument that Colombia was not willing to take these people back.

This whole thing was a manufactured issue, quite possibly a delibaerate political trap that Petro walked himself into. Certainly it's given Trump a quick and decisive win and warning to other nations of what's coming.

What's the problem with military planes?

What's the problem with commercial aircraft?

US deportations under Biden surpass Trump's record

He left open the border, millions swarmed in over the couse of 4 years. Right before the election he pretended to do something and deported 200K...lame-arsed and the voters saw trough it.

"Also when DA said

"This whole thing was a manufactured issue, quite possibly a delibaerate political trap that Petro walked himself into. Certainly it's given Trump a quick and decisive win and warning to other nations of what's coming."

Nothing at all was manufactured..... again this is just false..... deliberate trap...... wow, just crazy.

How it happened is exactly how I reported it, and Trump did nothing wrong, this is all on Petro, and nobody else.

Why should illegal occupants of your country deserve to get flown home in the comfort of a commercial aircraft.

In my opinion, if your own military personnel, that protect your citizens and borders, are getting flown all over the world in these exact same aircraft, then it should be perfectly suitable for flying illegal occupants out of your country in them as well.

"He left open the border, millions swarmed in over the couse of 4 years. Right before the election he pretended to do something and deported 200K...lame-arsed and the voters saw trough it."

Spot on.....

His administration let them swarm over the border, in record numbers never ever seen before in the history of the USA.

"Petro's issue was with the fact that were be brought back via military planes and he also referenced a video of a deportation flight from the US to Brazil in which the deportees were handcuffed and had their feet restrained on the flight. He objected to Colombian nationals being treated like that."

According to Tom Homan, they were deporting illegal migrants with criminal records.

In his last statement that he publicly made, he said that he was not aware of any families being arrested, and that they have only arrested public safety threats and national security threats....so I see absolutely nothing wrong at all with the way these deportees were treated.... in cuffs and on military planes.

For people to demand that these illegal migrant criminals need to be treated with kid gloves, and given commercial flights is just ridiculous.

The illegal migrants were encouraged by Biden to enter the country in their millions.  They cost the Government billions of dollars per month in housing and subsistence costs and  now  Stav wants them deported  in normal civilian planes at a masive cost in itself.   The people depoted are criminals -- so they will have to protect staff and other passengers and  that would ci=ost billions more - with the US Government being bankrupted by looting by Democrat politiicians and their bureaucrat allies, 

Sending ciminals without proper escorts by  civillian flights is just plain BS.    

It's interesting to see people talk about how utterly pathetic a lot of the federeal government employees are and were, that were working from home.

Not true at all

It was 100% a concession

See below article from the New York Times, and tell me what I misrepresented....

No he made the offer (as well as stating he would accept the return of deportees on a civilian flight) in an attempt to defuse the situation before he gave into Trumps demands following Trumps threat of tariffs.

The timeline has been jumbled up by right wing media to give the impression that Petro was so chastened and scared of Trump that he offered the plane as an extra concession to Trump.

Nothing at all was manufactured..... again this is just false..... deliberate trap...... wow, just crazy.

How it happened is exactly how I reported it, and Trump did nothing wrong, this is all on Petro, and nobody else.

Why should illegal occupants of your country deserve to get flown home in the comfort of a commercial aircraft.

In my opinion, if your own military personnel, that protect your citizens and borders, are getting flown all over the world in these exact same aircraft, then it should be perfectly suitable for flying illegal occupants out of your country in them as well.

I guess you missed the part were the Trump administration when they said would use military planes to deport people, they also said they would only do so with the the approval of the receiving country. 

Those deportees could have just been sent back the normal way and not a word would have been sent about it.

"No he made the offer (as well as stating he would accept the return of deportees on a civilian flight) in an attempt to defuse the situation before he gave into Trumps demands following Trumps threat of tariffs.

The timeline has been jumbled up by right wing media to give the impression that Petro was so chastened and scared of Trump that he offered the plane as an extra concession to Trump."

I just decided to ask ChatGPT, because your latest accusations or assumptions on so many issues that are Trump related are seriously on another level.... it's almost dishonest,.... exactly like you were with the Piers Morgan accusation.

Why you can't just admit you are wrong is madness, but persevere you will....

Here is ChatGPT.

"The sequence of events indicates that Colombian President Gustavo Petro offered the use of his presidential plane to transport deported migrants after U.S. President Donald Trump threatened economic sanctions. Initially, President Petro refused to accept U.S. military flights carrying deported Colombian migrants, citing concerns over the migrants' dignity and treatment. In response, President Trump threatened to impose tariffs of up to 50% on Colombian goods. To avoid these economic repercussions, President Petro reversed his stance, agreeing to accept the deportees and offering the presidential plane to ensure their return under "decent conditions"

Therefore, President Petro's offer to use his plane came after President Trump's threats of economic penalties."

Yet persevere you will ..... bloody madness ....I don't know where you get all your facts from before you post on here.... and as normal with you, it is always "Far Right" ..."Right Wing" misrepresentation or lies.... just crazy man.

"I guess you missed the part were the Trump administration when they said would use military planes to deport people, they also said they would only do so with the the approval of the receiving country."

I guess you just missed everything about this story Stav...... and I mean everything

"In a statement, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said it was Colombia's responsibility to take back citizens who are illegally in the U.S. "in a serious and expeditious manner."

"Colombian President Petro had authorized flights and provided all needed authorizations and then canceled his authorization when the planes were in the air," Rubio said.

As I said before, a few times now recently.... I seriously have concerns with your fact checking and your honesty.

I just decided to ask ChatGPT, because your latest accusations or assumptions on so many issues that are Trump related are seriously on another level.... it's almost dishonest,.... exactly like you were with the Piers Morgan accusation.

Why you can't just admit you are wrong is madness, but persevere you will....

I'm wrong am I.

So to quote myself

No he made the offer (as well as stating he would accept the return of deportees on a civilian flight) in an attempt to defuse the situation before he gave into Trumps demands following Trumps threat of tariffs.

ChatGPT concluded

Therefore, President Petro's offer to use his plane came after President Trump's threats of economic penalties."

So CHATGPT confirmed my assessment.

How about in future after you read any of my posts that you try to understand what I'm actually saying before the red mist descends and you make an angry response to what you think I'm saying.

Yes Petro made the offer to use his Presidential planes after Trump made his threats but before he caved to them.

The wording of your original post makes it sound like after Petro caved to Trumps threat, he then went back to him and offered the plane as an added sweetener just to placate Trump. 

I guess you just missed everything about this story Stav...... and I mean everything

"In a statement, Secretary of State Marco Rubio said it was Colombia's responsibility to take back citizens who are illegally in the U.S. "in a serious and expeditious manner."

"Colombian President Petro had authorized flights and provided all needed authorizations and then canceled his authorization when the planes were in the air," Rubio said.

Yeah like your missing part about the Petro was disputing that authorization was given, or the fact that Colombia has the right as a sovereign nation to revoke authorization? 

Just another win for Trump….woke weenies in a panic,

"The wording of your original post makes it sound like after Petro caved to Trumps threat, he then went back to him and offered the plane as an added sweetener just to placate Trump."

Yes, Colombian President Gustavo Petro offered the use of his presidential plane for deportation flights after U.S. Psident Donald Trump threatened to impose tariffs and other penalties. Initially, President Petro refused to allow U.S. military aircraft carrying deported Colombian nationals to land, citing concerns over the dignified treatment of deportees. In response, President Trump threatened to impose 25% tariffs on all Colombian imports, implement travel bans and visa revocations for Colombian government officials, and enhance customs inspections for Colombian nationals and cargo. Following these threats, President Petro agreed to accept the deportees and offered his presidential plane to assist in their return, ensuring "decent conditions." This move prompted the Trump administration to withhold further sanctions and tariffs, pending Colombia’s compliance.

Well, that description clearly shows that he caved into Trumps demands and then also afterwards offered his presidential plane.....so you read into that what you will.... I know what I see.

Get your facts straight and stop blaming "Right Wing" media and organisations all the bloody time

"Yeah like your missing part about the Petro was disputing that authorization was given"

I see, so you are saying that Rubio is lying about everything, and that you believe Petro...... cool, your opinion.

"Just another win for Trump….woke weenies in a panic"

Agreed Moz, I'm so enjoying what Trump is doing, on an almost daily basis..... I believe he is doing a phenomenal job

Watch out when something goes wrong DA, as it inevitably will…..these port side woosies are waiting to pounce. We will be savaged by the unisex bathroom brigade.

Well, that description clearly shows that he caved into Trumps demands and then also afterwards offered his presidential plane.....so you read into that what you will.... I know what I see.

Get your facts straight and stop blaming "Right Wing" media and organisations all the bloody time

Where were my facts wrong. Your wording and omission of context would give the impression that Petro offered this as an additional concession in an effort to placate Trump, where Trump supporters can claim...look Colombia is now even paying for the deportations!. 

It was Pretro's opening offer to resolve the situation, and shows that Petro never had an issue with taking back the deportees in principal, but he had an issue with how the deportations were being conducted (supported by the fact that over 400 deportation flights arrived to Colombia from America during Biden's term) His offer to use the presidential plane after he gave into Trump (which has now changed to Colombian military planes) was to ensure that the Colombians being deported would be treated like you know, human beings.

Put yourself in Petro's shoes for a minute or the President of any country where people would be deported like that. How does it look for a President of a country to allow his citizens to be treated in such a manner? 

Watch out when something goes wrong DA, as it inevitably will

Yet amazingly Biden was never given such leeway.

We will be savaged by the unisex bathroom brigade.

Oh my god a trans person...run for the hills, quickly before he infects me with wokeness!

PULEEEEZE….you are dripping with wokeness and virtue signaling  already, completely  inoculated against further infection. But wear a mask if you are concerned.

As usual you miss the point, unisex bathrooms imply actual men with adequate testosterone are together with teenage girls in bathrooms. Not nice. Do you get the picture now?

How about in future after you read any of my posts that you try to understand what I'm actually saying before the red mist descends and you make an angry response to what you think I'm saying.

Typical, nothing has changed.

As usual you miss the point, unisex bathrooms imply actual men with adequate testosterone are together with teenage girls in bathrooms. Not nice. Do you get the picture now?

Ah yes the point being that Trans women are really just perverted men who are pretending to be women in order to gain access into public women's bathrooms in order to sexually assault actual women.

Oh yes I totally get that point, it's just that its total and utter ignorant, bigoted ideological bullsh*t. But please carry on pretending its all about women's safety.

Not at all …..your usual flaming wrong leap to conclusions. I don’t have any objection to Trans women being in the Ladies. Where the blue blazes else would they go. I’m objecting to men, real men, in unisex bathrooms with teenage girls.

Get over your pathetic woke indoctrination and read the plain English words…here I’ll say it again…men with balls shouldn’t be in the same bathroom as girls.

Can I make it  any plainer than that?

What about the women with balls?

There are amny examples where men claim they are woman ad they aprticipate in women sport,   That is a problem constantly dealt wtth by the Olympics management. but according to Biden it was  openly encouraged by element in the Biden Administration.

Men wit penises and balls are entitled to shower in womens' change rooms.   For female sport women it is not only embarrssing - but also dangerous. 

There are constant problems in this case but one example reached the political sectrum as well.   A boy if 15 years old wore dresses regularly going into girls toilets and then raped a girl in the process,    It ended up in a major scandal and the Virginaia Goverment and local School Board refuded to act against the boy.   When the media got aware of what happened the Demcrats got punished and the Govenor involved lost thec Governor election in a state where Biden won by 10 points in 2020.   The scandal got worse when the Democrat Governor blamed the girl for what happened - but the RP Governor ordered a re- investigation of the incident and sent the boy to another school while te case was investigated.    Huge problem - the cross-dressing boy did the same thing at his new School. 

The crazy situation where men were ecouraged by elements in the Biden  Administartion to take part in women sport cost the DP millions of votes from female sportwomen and their families - so also in this case the nppr applies "Those whom the gods wishes to destroy they drive mad".    Transgender peoplea are entitled to protection of their human rights - but not by undermining of the human rights of others, 

"His offer to use the presidential plane after he gave into Trump (which has now changed to Colombian military planes) was to ensure that the Colombians being deported would be treated like you know, human beings."

LMFAO

Woah....... wait....... hold on a sec...... let me get this straight.....

So you blame Trump for treating these illegal Columbian occupants in a disrespecting manner by wanting to send them back in military planes, and keep repeating how Petro was so much more caring and respectful to all of them, and wanted to treat them "like you know, human beings", by offering up his own personal presidential plane...... but then ended up sending military planes to collect them anyway.....

Just....... LOL

Yeah, he did something completely different to what Trump wanted to do didn't he...... out of respect for his fellow citizens....

Just ........LOL 

Also, with your lame and dumb logic, the thousands of US military personnel are also obvioulsy not treated like human beings when they are transported all over the world in these same military planes....... I guess they must all be booked into economy or Business class on JetBlue or American Airlines....

LMAO

I don't know where you get all this stupidty from dude...... hilarious stuff man.

"Typical, nothing has changed."

Says the same guy that is still trying to convince everyone on this forum, and in his everyday life...... (without doing a great job I might add).........that he does not still want to kill all White people... over and over again.

Same old racist..... same old coward...

"read the plain English words"

"Can I make it  any plainer than that?"

Moz..... you could even draw 5 different kind of pictures, in highly contrasting colours, with exceptionally detailed descriptions.... and Stav would still misconstrue and misrepresent all of it.....

That is precisely how this guy operates..... when he sees he is falling behind or stumbling in a debate or conversation, he quietly tries in inject some false information or narrative to try and gain some little advantage ....albeit deceitfully.