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Biden’s Saigon and George Soros’ Xi Jinping.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2021, 17:05
#1
15 Aug 2021, 17:05#1

The weekend Wall Street Journal published two crucial pieces on the emerging China and the Taliban’s reconquest of Afghanistan. Well worth reading. In fact I’d say the Xi article is essential reading.


Biden’s Saigon is more obvious. Like the shallow politician he is Biden announced a US withdrawal back in April, and as the tragic events in Saigon showed, you do these unconditional withdrawals at great peril to society. Predictably the Taliban marched into the vacuum regaining control of city after city.

 It’s a massive mistake, one Trump would never have allowed and now all the blood and treasure spent on Afghanistan will go to waste.


The lesson is obvious, but the other lesson is never occupy. In the aftermath of 9/11 the Taliban could have been punished by air…no need for one American soldier to set a foot in this backwater.


George Soros’ article on Mr Xi is shockingly prescient. Yes I know Soros is the devil incarnate, but in this instance  he is very well informed. He argues Xi is now running a dictatorship with ruthless subjugation of otherChinese leaders. And the divergence from the constructive policies of Deng is greater every year.  The obsession to capture Taiwan  is the most dangerous manifestation of Xi’s  Greater China vision,


Again Trump quickly understood this man can’t be bargained with and has to be embarrassed and made culpable for real economic consequences, making him more vulnerable internally. The media totally missed this imperative, naively thinking being cooperative with China would bring dividends.


We are 7 months into Biden’s presidency and already America is being weakened….which is to s ay nothing of the disastrous spending policies bubbling in Biden’s basement.

AJ
AJHPro3,183 posts
15 Aug 2021, 18:40
#2
15 Aug 2021, 18:40#2

The greatness and power of the USA is being destroyed by a party of Demorats who would rather see the country destroyed and no need to ask if it is happening just wake up folks.

BLM and the lefties should be arrested and made examples of by the military as TRAITORS and dealt with accordingly.

What is happening with the Taliban is just the start of what lies ahead for western civilization, our faith and the demise of our white race.

Take what is happening in RSA for instance, who in their wildest dreams would have thought that it would turn out as badly as it has.

Open borders in Europe and the USA are gateways to infiltrate the west with criminals, religious fanatics and the start of the end.

According to a forecast from Belgium they estimate that the Muslim vote in the next general election will place a Muslim government in place ( as they have the numbers) and with CHAIN MIGRATION in place in most if not all Western countries the end is just years away.

WAKE UP FOLKS.

Stand tall and get these bastards out of power.

Your children, their children depend on you to make the world a better place and not allow the demise of our culture or our countries.

VASBYT, and remember your families built this western civilization with their hard work and determination so don't just let it be destroyed by the left and their hacks.


ST
Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
15 Aug 2021, 19:09
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15 Aug 2021, 19:09#3

How typical the usual partisan nonsense.

Had Biden kept troops in Afghanistan the same people who criticize him now for withdrawing would be criticizing for not honoring the deal America signed under Trump and keeping America involved in Afghanistan indefinitely. Trump didn't care when he withdrew peace keepers from Syria and left |American's Kurdish allies to be slaughtered by the Turks. He initially supported Biden's withdrawal as well. No one can say for certain what he would of done in the same situation but to automatically think he would of handled the situation better is laughable.

The fact is America was in an un-winnable position and it was an American failure. Both Republican and Democratic administrations of Bush, Obama, Trump and Biden failed in Afghanistan. The speed of the Afghan collapse show they where no where near being self sustainable and there is no indication another 1-4 years of Trump would of got them any closer to being so. If Trump opted to stay he would be in the no win position aswell, and would be regarded as just another hawk keeping America's wars going indefinitely. 

America has at least an obligation to get as many Afghans who worked directly with them  and their families who be targeted by the Taliban out of the country. But as horrible a situation as this is, to be honest I don't think the majority of the American public care, they just want to get their sons and daughters home and none of American's allies have an appetite to stay as well so they can't really be too critical. Its a dispassionate and cold view but not not necessarily the wrong one. 

No surprise to see you buying into the conspiracy shite about Soros but go figure. 

"Again Trump quickly understood this man can’t be bargained with and has to be embarrassed and made culpable for real economic consequences, making him more vulnerable internally. The media totally missed this imperative, naively thinking being cooperative with China would bring dividends."

Yet Trump was about to sign a trade deal with Xi, until he needed to put the blame on China for his absolutely useless handling of the pandemic. Trump was not the man to counter China. He was a rank amateur on the world stage. A bad joke that thankfully has gone away from the time being.

"We are 7 months into Biden’s presidency and already America is being weakened….which is to say nothing of the disastrous spending policies bubbling in Biden’s basement."

American is just about getting its reputation and status out of the gutter after Trump. He's actually trying to build an alliance against China, a much smarter play than go it alone no friends Trump. 


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2021, 19:53
#4
15 Aug 2021, 19:53#4

Mozart

There are in fact the above two issues  raised - as well as a third issue you raised before, namely the running of the USA by a Committee and not the President.   So in esense there are three issues to be dealt with and those are -\

*    How did  Biden ends up as US President?

*    How and by whom is China governed at present?

*    How does that affect the Soros statement/

Biden as President

Biden is a really poor choice  as President he is a person with zero principles and has in the past a a Senator veered  from being ultra  right wing - associated with Senator Byrd a previous leader of the  KKK to Conservative   and under Obama a very ineffective Deputy President.    All his political career long one of Biden's main objectives has been  to enrich himself and also his family.   As a result he has many skeletons in his cupboard that can be used by the  people who is manipulating him at present.   

Your reference to the governing by Committee is poignant?    Who makes up that unelected Committee/ which I will for ease of reference refer to as the USA  Politburo.    It is not clear who are in charge of the Politburo - but  a glimpse arose last week of a woman leaving the White House to join a private company, but remaining as Biden confidante and advisor.   This woman in the past was a great admirer of Mao Zedung - that really raise eyebrows since it was a move to fleece the US Government by paying more for her services  than she could earn a a WH employee.    She must be part of the USA Politburo,

Another glimpse  was the co-operation between the Big Tech companies in censoring news and especially the Wuhan Lab issue.   It is obviously an indication that the Big Tech  is part and parcel of the  Politburo -- hence the decision of  themselves in liaison with the  Democrats  to censure and  Big Tech on sites controlled by them to censor news relating to  the Wuhan Lab  Th Big Tech companies and Walmart have massive financial interests in China as well .   They also have close ties with the Beijing regime and it is not in their interests to weaken the present regime in Beijing.   Then there is Obama who has excessive influence on anything Biden does,  

he media is strictly controlled by billionaire ownership and became  fake news agencies  who for the past five years have manufactured major fake news lies than even remotely thinkable.   The latter had a major influence in the election results  and the fact is that Biden was used to advertise a false propaganda  story as to his ability to remove the political divide and lead to reconciliation in the USA..    Nothing came from that effort - after seven months under the Biden administration the country is now more divided than it was in the past. 

The  Saigon moment  and chaos was to be expected.    There is no responsibility due to the US people and the rest of the world by the USA Politburo.    

The Beijing and Soros story         

Whatever was the proof  to the contrary Soros has always been and will always be a supporter of the Stalinist approach to and usage of Marxism.   So why is he opposed  to the  present Chinese Regime.    After the unlamented death  pf probably the biggest mass murderer in the history of the World Mao Zedung - who had ardent admirers  such as Soros and Berne Sanders in the USA - the nature of the so-called Communists  in China changed massively  and the country gradually develop into what it is at present.  The change entails an alliance between the politicians  and  the new billionaire class in China - but that is not the only  billionaires from China involved  it also entails  billionaires from the USA and Western Europe who saw Chia with its  almost slave labor wages in China to get even richer.   They are as much involved with the Chinese in everything that happens insofar as Beijing governance is concerned.

So what in fact happened  is that regard is that a Fascist regime as developed in Italy and Germany before the 2nd World War took over governance in China.    it till is a dictatorship and is not different from what it was under Zedung ad his successor Deng, but it upset Soros none-the less. 

Now back to the USA -  what is Soros up to and active n a present,    Soros is a big funder of the DP - but in more direct funding he ahs been funding election campaigns of both Hous members like Schiff and  Swalwell, but more importantly  funding of District Attorney campaigns.   Once elected those DA's start undermining the US legal system - through their refusal to charge criminals fpor crimes they committed and set fre thousands of other without charging bail.   Aside from that his adherents in the House and locally throughout the USA are involved in he defunding of the Police campaigns.    What his real goal is is probably qui similar to what the other Billionaires wants to see in the USA,   Move the country into a dictatorship based on the latest capitalists and socialist partnership - or move t to a more stalinist regieme nature n the ase of Soros.  .    

The Big Capitalists know that type  of Regime won't last in demoratic elections - so the drive is on for a change to the system that would legalize voter fraud on a massive scale to ensure the DP remains in power for decades to come.     The Democrats talk about present voter suppression - but what they have in mind is far worse.      


CL
clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
15 Aug 2021, 21:06
#5
15 Aug 2021, 21:06#5

Stav

You obviously follow leftist elements in the USA  media closely.     Trump wanted to withdraw  the US soldiers and reached an agreement on the issue with the Taliban placing strict controls on them as to what would happen if they breach the agreement on withdrawal.    They were afraid that Trump would do what he told them would happen if the conditions agreed upon was breached by them/   That was sabotaged with a fake news story that Putin was paying bounties to the Taliban  for killing of US soldiers at the height of the election campaign last year and the implementation  was held back.   

Nobody would not support the idea of getting out of Afghanistan - what is not supported is the chaotic withdrawal initiated by Biden.    That is what is comparable to what happened in the ase of Saigon.     The conditions for withdrawal contained strict conditions - such as the signing of a armistice between the  Afghan Government and the Taliban.   The problem is Biden was aware of the situation as to the agreement - but as gutless as he is he allowed the Taliban to breach the agreement and now the consequences are obvious.

You  are also misinformed about the Trade deal with China - everything was going to go ahead until Trump found out that President Xi and the WHO lied about the Covid 19 situation. - that si why Trump scrapped the deal.    What would anybody have done about the handling of the pandemic that you describe as useless?

I love your comment of getting the USA out of the gutter - you are obviously thinking that the USA are improving things under Biden.   First of all the story of an Alliance against China will get nowhere -  Biden would not dare to be part of such an alliance and a lot of speaking will occur and no action.    

In the USA there is chaos on the border with Mexico, law and order is collapsing in the cities and inflation is rising massively - while  46% of the voters are anxious about Biden's foreign policy in crisis situations - such as happening  in Afghanistan at present - and 38% supports his ideals.

Like in the Afghanistan situation everything the Biden  Administration touches is chaotic and  his popularity in the USA is dropping like a lead ball.    In elections in the USA a key element of the Democratic  Party support base - the Latino's are gone and that will be confirmed should Newsom be  kicked out as Governor of California.    Just as an aside you talk about the handling of the pandemic by Trump - the handling of the present wave is ultra chaotic.    The Democratic elite breaks every rule laid down by the DNC and the  rest must comply with what their masters say.    The open border allows for flooding into the USA  of an estimated  2 million 'refugees coming from 110 countries worldwide and aside from associated people and drug smuggling come in tens of thousands  per week  not vaccinated people - many of them Covid positive and they are  merely listed and then carted in secret to cities all over the USA becoming super-spreaders  of the pandemic.   Every two weeks or so there are new and contradictory instructions  coming from the Biden Government.    Despite  inheriting the vaccine program from Trump - vaccination is in chaos as well.   Only 28% of the Blacks  and 42% of the Latino's in the USA has been vaccinated th us far.

You will obviously not get anything critical  of Biden in the media - but you should really study things more widely.                                

         

MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
15 Aug 2021, 21:26
#6
15 Aug 2021, 21:26#6

Actually I’m not bothered to respond to Anger’s reflex leftist fantasies. Biden has failed badly in planning the withdrawal by giving the Taliban nothing to fear. Many will suffer and the Taliban will never be controlled in Afghanistan now.


As for the George Soros article, no doubt Anger hasn’t read it….an alliance against China? What like the alliance against Russia that has just approved the pipeline America won’t approve in it’s own backyard. Tough stuff,


MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
16 Aug 2021, 05:20
#7
16 Aug 2021, 05:20#7

Actually the whole Taliban mess Biden has created reminds me of Obama looking on while ISIS marched through Iraq often unopposed.

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