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Boris Johnson to resign today . . .

Started by Rooinek22 REPLIES532 VIEWS· 07 Jul 2022, 11:38
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RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
07 Jul 2022, 11:38
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07 Jul 2022, 11:38#1

Sounds like his resignation is imminent. You can read the story here.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jul 2022, 12:42
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07 Jul 2022, 12:42#2

If the idiotic Boris Johnson is the best person the Conservative Party can produce the said Party is doomed.    He is a complete failure and should never have been Prime Minister.     

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
07 Jul 2022, 12:46
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07 Jul 2022, 12:46#3
I would classify him more as a lobbyist than a politician. 

Get Brexit done was his mantra. I think the master plan of the ultra-rich in the UK was to steal EU financial services by undercutting their corporate taxes. (A bit like Ireland). 

Also, and perhaps more importantly to allow the ultra-rich in the UK to store their money overseas to avoid paying personal income taxes. 
The EU has been clamping down on that, making sure everyone pays their fair % of tax. 

It seems leaving the EU was really just about tax evasion for the rich, while everyone else gets screwed over once again. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jul 2022, 17:42
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07 Jul 2022, 17:42#4

SB

I think the rich voted to remain in the EU - it was the working class feeling done by the EU that voted to leave.   The areas normally voting for the Labor Party  overwhelmingly vote to leave.  The other problem related to  illegal migration - especially as a result of what happened in German, France and Belgium that scared people off.       

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
07 Jul 2022, 17:56
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07 Jul 2022, 17:56#5

Yes, immigration has turned the working class away from Labor (and liberalism). 

Mostly illegal immigration, but perhaps also legal immigration as well. 
The same situation in France, and the US as well. 

The Tories ran campaigns that were targeted at the working-class Persona. 

However as usual upon closer investigation, the rich and their crony politicians are just out of shaft everyone to get their votes and then rip them off. 

When the UK left the EU (before Covid), the NHS budget was reduced (not increased)





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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
07 Jul 2022, 21:51
#6
07 Jul 2022, 21:51#6

Good riddance, what an awful and useless Prime Minister. Glad his lies final caught up with him.

The areas normally voting for the Labor Party  overwhelmingly vote to leave.  The other problem related to  illegal migration - especially as a result of what happened in German, France and Belgium that scared people off.    

The majority of Labour voters who voted, voted remain. Also what had illegal migration got to do the UK's membership of the EU?


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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
07 Jul 2022, 23:14
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07 Jul 2022, 23:14#7

I looked at the map when results were announced  and one of the early results were from Newcastle  which have not voted Conservative for decades.    The EU supporters won by circa 2000 votes mostly coming from students  - not the working class.   In all the other countries around that city - solid  labor land - all voted with huge majorities to leave the EU ,   The same applied in the London area and in areas around Liverpool, Manchester and Birmingham.   The workers in Scotland supported EU membership and unlike in England the Scottish members of the Labor Part did vote to remain in the EU.    

As to the issue of migration there were an influx into  EU Countries and those aiming to go to the UK  was in a camp in Calais,   Pressure was put by the EU to let them in.   If you believe illegal migration was never a problem attached to EU membership in the eyes of voters, you must live in cloud cuckoo land. 

         

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Jul 2022, 10:10
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08 Jul 2022, 10:10#8

I looked at the map when results were announced  and one of the early results were from Newcastle  which have not voted Conservative for decades.

That doesn't refute my point that the majority of Labour voters voted remain.

https://anthonybmasters.medium.com/how-many-labour-leave-voters-are-there-a4b4dfb07788

As to the issue of migration there were an influx into  EU Countries and those aiming to go to the UK  was in a camp in Calais,   Pressure was put by the EU to let them in.   If you believe illegal migration was never a problem attached to EU membership in the eyes of voters, you must live in cloud cuckoo land.

Care to provide evidence that the EU pressured states into taking illegal migrants?

Legal migration was an issue in the Brexit vote. Brexiteers did not like freedom of movement and EU citizens having the right to come to the UK. But that's not the same as illegal migration despite proponents of Brexit conflating the two. The UK had full sovereignty to deal with non EU legal and illegal migrants however it wanted too when it was part of the EU.

And if Brexit was supposed to fix illegal migration to the UK, care to explain why its gone up since the UK left the EU?




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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
08 Jul 2022, 10:48
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08 Jul 2022, 10:48#9

@Stav,

Many people in the UK that have always voted labour, actually voted for conservatives for the 1st time. 

That was the result of Boris Johnson's marketing campaigns targeting the working-class persona (see the bus advert).  
Illegal immigrants and refugees were used in the same way Trump used Mexicans to create a nationalism identity of us first. 

The conservative party in capitalist society is all about reducing taxes for the super-rich. Once again the working class has learnt this the hard way. 

Reducing tax does help improve GDP profits, but it only seems to be the ultra-rich that get the tax reductions. It is a trickle-down effect that "may" increase short-term jobs, but it is the people at the top that get the real benefits. The next recession or reason XYZ, is the undo button for everyone else, while the super-rich and bribed politicians are laughing all the way to the bank.

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Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
08 Jul 2022, 10:57
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08 Jul 2022, 10:57#10

I'm glad he is gone

What a absolutely terrible example, of what your Prime Minister should behave like.

All it was with Boris, was constant lies, bullshitting and constant blatant dishonesty.....

 

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
08 Jul 2022, 11:40
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08 Jul 2022, 11:40#11

@Sharkbok

Both the Conservatives and Labour campaigned for remain in the Brexit vote, though the Labour campaign was considered very half hearted as Jeremy Corbyrn was actually a Brexiteer.

Yes Boris Johnson had a massive influence on the outcome of the Brexit vote but the Brexit vote wasn't a vote for the Conservatives but eventually it did lead the Conservative party been taken over by Brexiteers.

At the 2019 election you could argue many long time Labour voters switch to voting Tory but if you look at the numbers the Conservatives didn't massively increase their vote share, but more of a case of Labour voters not turning out to vote at all.


All it was with Boris, was constant lies, bullshitting and constant blatant dishonesty.....

Sum's it up pretty well.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
08 Jul 2022, 23:39
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08 Jul 2022, 23:39#12

As opposed to the deadmen walking from Brussels…. .  you would have hated Churchill Anger, he was a Trump/Boris like character.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
09 Jul 2022, 00:02
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09 Jul 2022, 00:02#13

LOL...to even compare Trump and Boris to Churchill.

Hell Boris had Churchill' s grandson expelled from the Tory party.

But sure its alright if democracy and human decency is debased by the holders of the highest office in the land, its perfectly fine...they are just being characters.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jul 2022, 00:05
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09 Jul 2022, 00:05#14

Expelled…no doubt for good reasons. Ever heard of Gallipoli it made the exit from Kabul look like a well worked plan.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
09 Jul 2022, 00:47
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09 Jul 2022, 00:47#15
Expelled…no doubt for good reasons
LOL...you don't even know why he was expelled but because you have spoken favorable of Johnson in the past you have to back your team no matter what. Can't have egg on your face now can we. I'm sure Johnson's decision to appoint a person he knew to be a sex pest to be deputy chief whip, a role which meant that the same sex pest was responsible for handling any complaints within the party about inappropriate behavior or sexual harassment was no doubt made for good reasons as well or its alright because Boris is a bit of a character.

Ever heard of Gallipoli it made the exit from Kabul look like a well worked plan.
LOL again...you think Gallipoli or Churchill's involvement with it is a secret and isn't an extremely well known event of WWI.

And LOL for a third time. Of course you would compare the evacuation of Kabal to Gallipoli when the one part of the Gallipoli campaign that was executed perfectly was the evacuation! 


 



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
09 Jul 2022, 02:18
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09 Jul 2022, 02:18#16

’Kabal’…..hahahaha..you just can’t win can you?  And no I don’t think Churchill’s involvement in Gallipoli is a secret, I think it’s a screw up. One of many.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
09 Jul 2022, 03:04
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09 Jul 2022, 03:04#17
Taking refuge in other posters spelling errors again? Well if it makes you feel better go for it, but the rest of us see it for what it is, a transparent attempt to divert from the fact your posts lack substance.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jul 2022, 05:30
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09 Jul 2022, 05:30#18

Stav

If you trust word salad then the figures in that document you referred to is correct.   Iy is only out by 4 million people who did not vote and out by 2  million iro each of the leave and remain votes.  actually casted.   

I looked at constituencies that voted for Labor Party candidates for decades and voted for Brexit in such large numbers that they off-set the London, Scotland and Northern Ireland pro-Brexit majorities by 800 000 votes.   So the guessing is evident.   But you can have it as you wish.    What you provide as motivation is not even trying to be accurate - they even said so insofar as "calculations"  are concerned,

Sure there were a collapse in Labor voting in 2017- but that has more to do with a leader that was an ultra socialist leftist that did what Biden are doing in the USA at present - try and turn the country into a subservient province of the New Liberal World Order under Chinese Communist leadership - something most voters are not in favor of.    

However - have it as you like it.   In the USA millions of labor class voters has left the Democrats  and went to the Republican Party and so has millions of Hispanic voters, most of  which can be  classed in the "labor class"|  category.    If that is the case in the USA   why would it be absent  from  the UK.   

Now - wait and see what will be happening  on 8 November 2022 in the USA elections.   My own calculation is based on election results since Biden was elected in 2020 as well as some trustworthy opinion polls  and it indicates that the Democrats will lose between 63 and 75 seats in the House.   A slightly different calculation indicates that the Democrats may in fact lose more House seats and losses may go as high as 83 seats.

The socialist-leftist approach is not acceptable to labor class voters especially if  like in the USA the basic economic collapse is clearly in evidence - largely die to the Green policy which is basic to massive inflation destroying the USA.   It is in such circumstances the poor and labour class people are igetting poorer due to Government sponsored inflation.   

My argument is that as far back as  2015 the voting structure of voting in the West has changed and are still changing.    -                   

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
09 Jul 2022, 14:09
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09 Jul 2022, 14:09#19

Boris was a lying sack of shit, but no Western leader can be compared to Trump.

Churchill went down in history as a hero,
Boris will go down as nothing
Trump will go down as convicted criminal that finished his life in jail 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jul 2022, 15:03
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09 Jul 2022, 15:03#20

SB

Happy Idiots D ay to you. 

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sharkbokCaptain23,201 posts
09 Jul 2022, 15:57
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09 Jul 2022, 15:57#21
DumbMike, you are a redneck Trumpanzee.
So blinded by ideology that you have no objectivity... It makes your opinion irrelevant. 

If a centrist or liberal tried to cheat in an election in the same way as Trump in 2020, you would act totally different. 

On the other hand, I don't care what ideology a person is that tries to cheat in an election. They belong in jail, it is that simple. 

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
09 Jul 2022, 19:56
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09 Jul 2022, 19:56#22

Any proof of the cheating?    Kangaroo court appearance and fake "evidence"   does not count.         You are going to suffer badly after the Republicans take over the House and the Senate and start real investigation of what really happened since 2016 and plenty of the Democrats will end up in jail and Biden sent packing,    Huge shock coming your way when the full saga becomes clear.      .   

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SebPro2,680 posts
10 Jul 2022, 16:38
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10 Jul 2022, 16:38#23

If the top of the chain spouts so much bullshit, ie Bojo, Biden , Scholtz and Macron no wonder the whole west is living in a shithole.

How the Bluebottle flies thrive in this.

It boggles the mind how people can observe blatant, caught out lying and still accept leadership from this because it's corrupt agendas. Suffer in silence...what goes around comes around.Whatever you plant and sow you harvest, be sure of that.

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