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What’s happening in suburban Cape Town is being repeated at factories, shopping malls, dentist offices, gold mines and other businesses.

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Cheap Solar Is Transforming Lives and Economies Across Africa

Chinese panels are now so affordable that businesses and families are snapping them up, slashing their bills and challenging utilities.

What’s happening in suburban Cape Town is being repeated at factories, shopping malls, dentist offices, gold mines and other businesses.Credit...


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By Somini Sengupta

Photographs by Gulshan Khan

Reporting from Cape Town

  1. Dec. 30, 2025

Ismet Booley, a dentist in Cape Town, had a serious problem a few years ago. Patients showed up for appointments, only to find the power had gone out.

No power meant no X-rays, no fillings, no root canals. “I just couldn’t work,” Dr. Booley said.

South Africans like Dr. Booley have found a remedy for power cuts that have plagued people in the developing world for years. Thanks to swiftly falling prices of Chinese made solar panels and batteries, they now draw their power from the sun.

These aren’t the tiny, old-school solar lanterns that once powered a lightbulb or TV in rural communities. Today, solar and battery systems are deployed across a variety of businesses — auto factories and wineries, gold mines and shopping malls. And they are changing everyday life, trade and industry in Africa’s biggest economy.

This has happened at startling speed. Solar has risen from almost nothing in 2019 to roughly 10 percent of South Africa’s electricity-generating capacity.

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No longer do South Africans depend entirely on giant coal-burning plants that have defined how people worldwide got their electricity for more than a century. That’s forcing the nation’s already beleaguered electric utility to rethink its business as revenues evaporate.

Joel Nana, a project manager with Sustainable Energy Africa, a Cape Town-based organization, called it “a bottom-up movement” to sidestep a generations-old problem. “The broken system is unreliable electricity, expensive electricity or no electricity at all,” he said. “We’ve been living in this situation forever.”

What’s happening in South Africa is repeating across the continent. Key to this shift: China’s ambition to lead the world in clean energy.

Ismet Booley, dentist; Cape Town's harbor; Joel Nana of Sustainable Energy Africa

Over the past decade, while the United States ramped up fossil fuel exports, China has focused on dominating renewables. Today, Chinese companies make so many of the world’s solar panels, electric vehicles and batteries that they are slashing prices and scrambling to find buyers.

Tariffs have thwarted them somewhat in the United States and Europe, but they’re finding enormous new markets in Africa, where around 600 million people lack reliable electricity. Across the continent, solar imports from China rose 50 percent the first 10 months of 2025, continuing a trend, according to a review of Chinese export data by Ember, a British energy tracking group.

South Africa was the largest destination for Chinese solar, but not the only one. Sierra Leone imported the equivalent of more than half its total current electricity-generating capacity, and Chad, nearly half.


China has much to gain. Not least, new markets and new geopolitical influence. Its companies are doing more than just exporting. State-owned Power China is also building utility-scale solar farms in South Africa, as in other developing economies.

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Cape Town’s V&A Waterfront neighborhood

And now China is bidding on contracts from the state-owned utility, Eskom, to add 14,000 kilometers (about 8,700 miles) of transmission lines that South Africa desperately needs to move its increasing supply of solar power around the country.

“Obviously we don’t have money for that,” South Africa’s deputy minister for electricity and energy, Samantha Graham-Maré, said in an interview, referring to the hefty upfront costs of expanding the grid.

Who does? China.

Chinese state-owned companies are among several international firms to bid on South Africa’s $25 billion grid expansion, vying to build the lines and then make money, in part, by operating them. Chinese firms hold similar build-operate contracts in countries including Brazil and the Philippines.


The solar surge does little to address the most pressing social and economic problems of developing countries like South Africa, the need to generate new jobs for millions of young citizens. Installation labor is local, but the panels and batteries are almost all made in China.

“The economic trade-offs are significant,” said Marvellous Ngundu, a researcher with the Institute of Security Studies, a think tank in Pretoria. “Jobs are created elsewhere. South Africa consumes advanced green technologies without capturing the industrial benefits.”

Then there are the security implications of a foreign company running the electricity grid. Asked about this, Ms. Graham-Maré said the outside companies could operate the lines for an unspecified period of time and that the grid as a whole would remain owned and controlled by the state. (In other countries, China’s State Grid owns stakes in national grids.)

Asked about security concerns, she said, “Our grid is very, very safe.”

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Solar at Stellenbosch University Tygerberg Campus; Samantha Graham-Maré, the deputy minister for energy; a home in Hout Bay

The Race to Adapt

The rapid shift by so many businesses and people to install their own panels and batteries is causing headaches for Eskom, the already troubled utility.

Every kilowatt generated by privately owned solar installations is a hit to its bottom line. Eskom’s coal-burning plants, which provide most of South Africa’s power, are old and in poor shape.

Power cuts have subsided recently, but it wasn’t long ago that Eskom had to turn off electricity to some areas for hours at a time — a practice called “load shedding” that hurt the economy and fed public anger. During the worst days of load shedding, the latest of which came in early 2024, even Ms. Graham-Maré, the deputy electricity minister, installed a solar system in her home. Her energy bill, she said, fell by two-thirds.


Multiply her hack by the thousands and you have what South Africans call Eskom’s “death spiral.” Well-off customers lower their bills with solar, which causes Eskom to lose money, which in turn forces Eskom to raise prices and encourages more people to install solar.

It doesn’t help that some people tap power lines to draw electricity illegally, without paying for it, or that Eskom has suffered years of mismanagement.

In the past five years alone, South Africans installed solar panels representing more than seven gigawatts, or about a tenth of the total installed capacity of 55 gigawatts. Most is privately owned.

Now, unable to beat solar, Eskom is joining solar.

The utility has removed onerous licensing requirements on private installations. It has allowed people to sell power to the grid. And it has tweaked its rates so that customers pay a fixed charge in addition to the cost of any power they consume. Essentially, people pay simply to be connected to the grid, a standard feature in other nations that’s new in South Africa.

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In Langa Township, panels remain out of reach for many residents despite the plunging prices.

Eskom is now planning to erect large solar arrays on the grounds of shuttered coal plants. And by 2040 it intends to shift its predominantly coal-based system to cleaner sources. “That’s where the world is moving,” said Nontokozo Hadebe, Eskom’s sustainability chief.

If the speed of the change is remarkable, it’s still leaving some of South Africa’s most difficult economic problems unresolved, or is making them worse.


The problem, experts said, is that South Africa lacks policies to require local manufacturing. But creating them would drive up costs. The prices of made-in-China panels are by far the lowest in the world.

South Africa’s rapid pivot to Chinese solar gear, as affordable as it is, also doesn’t resolve a basic problem. The country’s poorest citizens still can’t afford to put up their own panels.

They lack the money to buy the gear outright and the ability to get loans.

In Langa township, one of Cape Town’s largest low-income suburbs, one of the rare businesses with solar is Colin Mkosi’s bicycle delivery service, Cloudy Deliveries. His single panel, donated by a charity, powers a few lights and computers. It doesn’t provide nearly enough to charge the electric bikes his business relies on.

An employee of Cloudy Deliveries; the owner of a Langa food stall holding her panel; the Cloudy Deliveries office

The e-bikes are, of course, from China. But his power still comes from South Africa’s unreliable grid. “It’s expensive,” he said, and “we can’t operate without electricity.”

Mr. Mkosi’s wants are part of a broader problem. South Africa buys growing volumes of high-value technologies from China, while selling it raw materials of limited value. China overtook the U.S. as its biggest trading partner in 2008. With its trade gap rising to more than $9 billion in 2023, compared with barely $1 billion in 2000, there are increasing calls to make trade relations with China less unequal.


The difference between South Africa’s trade ties with China and with the U.S. is stark.

President Trump has imposed a 30 percent tariff on South African goods and excluded the government from participating in an international summit of the world’s 20 biggest economies. He has also reversed a Biden administration plan to help the country accelerate its planned closures of its oldest, dirtiest coal plants.

“As relations with the United States have become increasingly strained, Beijing has positioned itself as a reliable and sympathetic partner,” Dr. Ngundu said.

Sun and Wine

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Installations at the Lanzerac Wine Estate means it now relies on the grid only a few months a year.

Far from the hand-wringing over trade and geopolitics, in South Africa’s storied wine region of Stellenbosch the sun is as bright as the chardonnay.

Which explains why, on the Lanzerac Wine Estate in December, workers were finishing installation of rows of solar panels between rows of vines. The panels would soon supply all the electricity to run the 54-room luxury hotel on the estate, and the winery’s operations.

Batteries would store power for the night. For only two or three months a year, during winter, would the winery need to buy much electricity from the grid.


Like many businesses, Lanzerac was initially drawn to solar to guard against blackouts. During the worst episodes, the hotel had to close at least three rooms because the growl of diesel generators annoyed guests paying upward of $800 a night.

Even after the blackouts subsided, Lanzerac went ahead with solar, ripping out a small patch of vines to make space. In roughly five years, according to Lanzerac’s operations manager, Tiaan Lategan, electricity for the estate will essentially be free. “The pros definitely outweigh the cons,” he said.

An electrician at Lanzerac; Charl Gous of Aces Africa; an old Eskom sign at the estate

Lanzerac is hardly alone.

The company that installed its equipment, Aces Africa, has done the same for shopping malls and hospitals. Its next big job is a factory that makes transformers.

“China has driven the prices of solar panels so low it’s really rock bottom at the moment,” said Charl Gous, the company president.

Rock-bottom prices have enabled Dr. Booley, the dentist in Cape Town, to expand, too.

The panel and battery system at his office was paid off in less than four years.


He installed a bigger system for his home, and his electricity bills dropped to a fifth of what they were. He then raised money to add solar panels to a charitable school he supports nearby.

One recent evening, as dusk drew in, the lights in his house came on, powered by batteries, and his swimming pool was warm, heated by electricity from his panels. The family sat around a kitchen table, cooing over a grandchild. By next June, he expects his home system will be paid off.

This gives Dr. Booley solace. He’s planning for retirement, and solar has eliminated one of his worries, he said — “that I’ll not be able to afford electricity when I’m a pensioner.”

Daneel Knoetze contributed reporting from Cape Town.

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Somini Sengupta is the international climate reporter on the Times climate team.


Cheap Chinese panels and batteries have definitely accelerated solar uptake, but the article glosses over a key reality in South Africa: even with falling prices, solar is still largely unaffordable for anyone below upper middle class.


The example used in the article says it all. A Cape Town dentist. A dentist earns very well by South African standards. That is exactly who can afford solar. Even a solidly middle class electrician or technician will struggle to pay cash for a proper residential system.


A realistic residential setup is not cheap. A basic 5 kW inverter system with two lithium batteries and around 10 x 400 to 500 W panels will cost roughly R120,000 installed. That is a small system.

An 8 to 15 kW system with sufficient battery storage for a family home is far beyond the reach of most households. Very few South Africans have that kind of spare capital.


Yes, banks now offer solar loans, and that helps, but many people are still hesitant to take on large upfront debt, especially now that load shedding stopped around May 2024. Since then, the residential solar market has dropped sharply. Commercial and industrial installations are still moving slowly, but residential demand is weak.


This creates a contradiction. Solar is clearly viable and sustainable, but most ordinary citizens still do not experience it as accessible. Until prices drop further and middle and lower middle income households can realistically afford systems, solar will remain something mainly for businesses and higher earners.


Another issue the article ignores is quality. Cheaper is not always better. Many of the cheapest panels and lithium batteries flooding the market are false economy.


In my experience, poor quality components often cost more in the long run through failures, replacements, and downtime.


There are good Chinese manufacturers like JA Solar and Jinko, but they are not the bargain basement options. Spending slightly more on proven equipment usually saves money over time.


There is also a serious skills problem. South Africa has a flood of unqualified installers and electricians doing substandard work. This has damaged confidence in residential solar and is one of the reasons the market has cooled so badly.


Even in commercial projects, only a limited number of installers consistently do the work properly.

So yes, solar is transforming parts of the economy, but it is not yet a mass solution for ordinary South Africans.


High upfront costs, financing hesitation, quality issues, and poor workmanship are all holding residential solar back.


Until those are addressed, the benefits will remain concentrated among businesses and higher income households.

That’s my view as someone who has worked in Solar PV since 2007.

The example used in the article says it all. A Cape Town dentist. A dentist earns very well by South African standards. That is exactly who can afford solar. Even a solidly middle class electrician or technician will struggle to pay cash for a proper residential system.


This dentist passes down the bills to his customers. His complaint is different: he is deprived of opportunities to enrich himself and concentrates the wealth. It has nothing to do with residential systems.


Energy sectors are largely subsidised in many countries (the US being the biggest example through the petro dollar thing) Adam Smith pointed out the problem of infrastructures in a liberal economy.


People should not be able to afford energy for their residential needs in South Africa.


The article informs like the free press: by dropping disjointed elements that may be used to understand a situation.


South Africa can not afford the cost of an infrastructure, an infrastructure to support what. Kolmanskop incoming to South Africa.


The article gives an example of how pointing out corruption is ludicrous and inadapted. Corruption can not cover for the 25 billion dollars needed to build the infrastructure. In fact, if South Africa could afford the cost, corrupted personal would be the first ones to press for the project as it would allow them to take their share. Corruption is thoroughly misrepresented by liberals. Corruption is about sub optimal allocation of resources. It can not fill for the absence of resources.

Solar is the way to go if you can afford to do it, even if it doesn't take you entirely off the grid, and it just subsidizes your Eskom usage.

I am basically off the grid with both electricity and water and it's the best decision I ever made from a residential point of view.

Whilst a lot of people initially made this solar investment because of load shedding, if one looks at the ridiculous annual increases from Eskom, which were only held back over these recent years because NERSA fought them on it, but it ranged from 12.5% to 32%, and that alone should be a valid reason to go the solar route, especially given that the average lifespan of a decent solar system is about 15 - 20 years if looked after properly, and if you fit the same batteries and inverters from suppliers like SunSynk, you automatically get your warranty extended from 5 years to 10 years, and you also get a R15 000 rebate from SARS.

"Ah, the admission that South Africa should not work for the majority... It is very funny."


The majority should pay their fair share...the minority has become too small to pay for everyone...to this day there are uptown areas in Soweto who refuse to pay for electricity...South Africa once had some of the cheapest electricity rates in the world...now I pay roughly double the rate of what rural USA do...the ANC raped and pillaged all state owned enterprises...disgusting...and the masses are getting poorer...the dwindling white minority is getting poorer while hospitals are being defrauded of billions so the small black elites can drive Ferraris and Lambos...fuck them all, karma is a bitch ant their day of reckoning is close.

Yeah, the idea of an Eskom tax or levy on households that go off grid is dumb. What they should actually do is promote solar properly.


People with solar can feed generated excess power back into the grid. Eskom pay them per kilowatt hour, and then resell that power to people who don’t have solar. That’s how it should work.


This way your System pays fot itself and the national Grid can be used as storage for all your Generated Electricity.


Then there is no need for very expensive lithium-ion Solar Batteries. Bringing down your initial cost considerably. Using pure Grid-Tie Systems is the most viable solution.


The problem is the South African grid is too unstable right now because the coal power stations and even the nuclear plant in the Western Cape are old and poorly maintained.


That’s why most people rely on lithium-ion batteries instead of just feeding everything back to the grid.


Also, even though the article says you can sell your excess power to Eskom, in reality most residential systems can’t do that.


You need a bi-directional meter to monitor exactly how much you feed back into the national grid, and how much grid Power you use at night time.


A proper contract from Eskom that guarantees payment per KWH, is essential. Only certain commercial projects are set up for that right now.


Residential setups like in:


United Kingdom – Under the Smart Export Guarantee (SEG) homeowners are paid for excess solar power they export to the grid. Payments vary by supplier but exist across England, Scotland, Wales.


Australia – Most states and territories operate feed in tariff schemes where excess solar energy exported to the grid earns a payment per kilowatt hour. The exact rate depends on the state and energy retailer.


Italy – Through “Scambio sul posto” (net billing), residential solar systems export surplus electricity and receive a credit or payment, although typically at a lower rate than retail.


Spain – Has a net billing/compensation system for excess solar exports, allowing solar owners to get paid or credited on their bills.


France – Offers various mechanisms including credits or feed in tariffs so homeowners can get paid for surplus electricity they put on the grid, depending on system size and contracts.


Belgium – In regions where net metering is still active, households can offset or be credited for exported solar power using smart meters.


Poland – Has a net metering policy where owners of small solar installations get credited for exported energy and can draw it back within a set period.


Portugal – Some limited net metering style compensation exists for exported solar within short time periods


Kenya – Recently introduced net metering regulations where solar export earns credits at a percentage of retail tariff. ( Way to go Africa, showing SA the way)


India (certain states) – Several states have net metering/net billing rules that credit rooftop solar owners for excess exported power, and recent regulatory updates are expanding access.


United States (select states) – Many states have net metering policies where export credit equals the retail kilowatt hour rate, and others have variations where exported power earns credits that roll over. It varies by utility and state.


Ireland (historic feed in tariffs and clean export premiums) – Some programs allow excess solar to be paid at set rates, though terms and rates can change.


These Systems don’t exist here in South Africa yet.


Another issue is the registration rules for small-scale embedded generators(SSEG) Eskom used to require you to get an electrical engineer to sign off on the Solar System, which cost R15,000 to R30,000 extra.


That’s no longer required, you just need a normal electrician with a wireman’s license for the COC.


I do hear that Eskom is pushing for annual payments on your SSEG registration, to apparently make sure your System stays compliant.


In reality this will not happen and is just a extra way of the Corrupt Eskom to squeeze for more money.


Mounting systems are another big point. There are cheap local mounts that are rubbish, which cause quite a lot of panels coming loose with wind and falling off roofs.


You need proper quality mounts, like Schletter from Germany, Lizard from Italy, or good local options like Rubicon.


At the end of the day, a solar system is only as good as the installation. The panels, the batteries, the wiring, the commissioning, it all has to be done right, so your system functions properly and ensure that you are self-sustainable.


So yeah, there’s lots of potential, but the infrastructure, regulations, and quality standards just aren’t there yet.

The majority should pay their fair share...the minority has become too small to pay for everyone...to this day there are uptown areas in Soweto who refuse to pay for electricity...South Africa once had some of the cheapest electricity rates in the world...now I pay roughly double the rate of what rural USA do...the ANC raped and pillaged all state owned enterprises...disgusting...and the masses are getting poorer...the dwindling white minority is getting poorer while hospitals are being defrauded of billions so the small black elites can drive Ferraris and Lambos...fuck them all, karma is a bitch ant their day of reckoning is close.


What a narrative. What happened is that a tiny minority landgrabbed and acted as if the majority did not exist. To be exhaustive, the Apartheid regime had plans to get rid of the majority (to make the situation match their denial of the existence of a large population) Now this large population has sprung into existence, it has consequences. The time of the white minority being subsidised in their standards of living by the dismissal of the majority of the population are over. And now, it is very hard.


There has been no development in South Africa. White Africans claim they were in South Africa before the Bantu (which arrived on location around 3000 BC) That means white people have been present in South Africa for more than 5 000 years, more than enough time to develop the area and all they did has been to ship away the wealth. There is no South African products, no food, no manufacturing... All they did was to export the environment. Kolsmankop incoming.

Imagine trying to tax people for using the sun...... fucking pathetic



It is very funny. 250 years ago, liberals explained that taxation was the hallmark of civilisation. And today, liberals give this kind of drivel that go frontally against their tenets.


People are not taxed for using the sun. Nothing is free, it is one of the liberal tenets, no free lunch etc


People are taxed on the access to the environment. Which is regular practise for liberal societies. It is not the use of sun that is taxed, it is solar energy, that is radiation striking a surface of a given piece of land.


Do liberals know their own tenets? More than often, it seems they are no longer conscious of the core structures of their own societies. Liberal societies can not teach themselves. It seems that liberals do not even know what a tax is supposed to be in their own society. Do they want to live in a stateless society, like the savages liberals destroyed? Liberal brains do not work as other brains. There is something with them.

That argument doesn’t hold up. Mining, fishing and farming are activities that physically extract or consume something.


Even when the land is privately owned, those activities remove material, change the land, or reduce a resource, which is why they are regulated.


Sunlight is not like that. It is not extracted, depleted or owned by anyone. A solar panel on a roof doesn’t stop a road or a farm from being built.


The land is already owned and already taxed. No extra land is being taken and no public resource is being used.


Calling sunlight a national resource like minerals or fish is stretching the logic. The government does nothing to produce or maintain sunlight.


You are just converting something that naturally falls on your own roof. People already pay rates and taxes for land and services like water, sewage and rubbish removal.


Using the sun on your own property does not add any extra cost to the state.Taxing people for sunlight is not regulation.


It’s just looking for another way to extract money because people are becoming less dependent on Eskom.


And stop with this constant liberal nonsense. You talk like everyone who disagrees with you is a liberal.


What is wrong with being centrist or just practical? If you keep hammering on liberals all the time, does that automatically make you right wing and fanatical, or what?


This has got nothing to do with left or right. It is just common sense.


Ironically, the way you argue for taxing sunlight sounds less like free markets and more like loving exploitation. That kind of thinking feels closer to state control than anything else.

@Traditionalist,


The wheel was not invented in South Africa before the liberals brought civilisation to South Africa.

https://www.perplexity.ai/search/was-the-wheel-invented-in-sout-R2vaqJFkSbiotpEKN8nW7g#0


Was the wheel invented in South Africa - before 1652

Reviewed 11 sources

No. There is no evidence that the wheel was invented in what is now South Africa, and certainly not before 1652. The earliest known invention of the wheel comes from Mesopotamia around 3500 BCE, with independent development possibly in a small number of other Old World centers, none of which are in southern Africa.?


Wheel origins

  1. The oldest archaeological evidence for wheeled vehicles and true wheel?and?axle technology is from Mesopotamia in the 4th millennium BCE, not from Africa’s far south.?
  2. Later early wheels appear in regions such as Europe and China, again far from southern Africa.?


Wheel use in Africa

  1. In Africa, early wheel use (chariots, carts, and water wheels) is documented mainly in North Africa and Nubia (Sudan), linked to Egypt and Mediterranean/Near Eastern influence.?
  2. In much of sub?Saharan Africa, including southern Africa, wheeled transport was either absent or extremely rare before intensive European contact; environmental and economic factors made pack animals or water routes more practical than wagons.?


Southern Africa before 1652

  1. For southern Africa specifically, there is no archaeological or historical evidence of indigenous wheeled vehicles or an independent invention of the wheel prior to Dutch settlement at the Cape in 1652.?
  2. Wheeled wagons and carts become prominent in South African history with European colonists, whose ox?wagons were central to inland expansion, but this is a post?1652 development and not a local invention.?
TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
01 Jan 2026, 01:41
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01 Jan 2026, 01:41#26

A wheel is a wheel. Whether it is used for transportation or not.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
01 Jan 2026, 01:42
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01 Jan 2026, 01:42#27

It is very funny. But now, liberals are arguing for a free lunch. Their failure to anything resembling universality is staggering.

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sharkbokCaptain20,097 posts
01 Jan 2026, 19:24
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01 Jan 2026, 19:24#28

I don't see any wheel...


Have you ever once said thank you...



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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
01 Jan 2026, 20:22
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01 Jan 2026, 20:22#29

The problemm is that there is no cheap electirvity iro Sun and wind Electiricity. The inecestment requirw major capiyal investments and what wa sproven is that the terget producion provided in the development plans are routinely not achieved. Another problem is hge areas are wothdrawn from Agriculture aand iit also has negatives -since it mans large agricultural areas are wothrawn from production. Wind electiritiy plays havoc with the Bird population.


The real and only adequate and envirentally saving is Nuclear pwer plants,

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
01 Jan 2026, 23:32
#30
01 Jan 2026, 23:32#30

Have you ever once said thank you...


Thank for what.... For having such a fragile ego it makes mandatory to cling to claims that are unsustainably ungrounded in order to deflect. Liberals come with variability. On this board, though, it appears there are a concentration of liberals with a very strong expression of liberal traits.


Which makes this board very funny.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
01 Jan 2026, 23:41
#31
01 Jan 2026, 23:41#31

The problemm is that there is no cheap electirvity iro Sun and wind Electiricity. The inecestment requirw major capiyal investments and what wa sproven is that the terget producion provided in the development plans are routinely not achieved. Another problem is hge areas are wothdrawn from Agriculture aand iit also has negatives -since it mans large agricultural areas are wothrawn from production.


This should be concerning to liberals on this board.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
01 Jan 2026, 23:49
#32
01 Jan 2026, 23:49#32

Look, I get the point about paying taxes for things the government provides, like water, sewage, rubbish removal, roads, and other services.



The government regulates the access to the environment.

Tapping in solar energy is accessing the environment.


As a reminder, liberalism and liberals do not refer to monikers used in factionalism or partisan bickering liberals vs conservative, left vs right vs centre.. It is used to refer to liberalism as the political system established in the age of the enlightenment. Liberals are proponents of the liberal system.


It seems that many liberals can not bear the liberal tenets anymore. The necessity of taxing solar energy comes from the liberal playbook. If the ANC does not tax solar energy at the moment, that is another failure of the ANC to organise a state. It must be taken as another evidence of the failed state in South Africa.


South Africa can not afford the massive tax break of not taxing solar energy.


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MpowerPro5,061 posts
01 Jan 2026, 23:54
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01 Jan 2026, 23:54#33

Uncle BS, your statement is out dated and not based on facts. Here a more Factual report:


Multiple independent energy cost studies show that solar power is now one of the cheapest forms of electricity generation in the world.


The International Energy Agency has stated that utility scale solar is the cheapest electricity in history in many regions.


Lazard’s annual Levelized Cost of Energy reports consistently show solar and wind cheaper than new coal and far cheaper than nuclear on a per kilowatt hour basis.


To put numbers to it, recent Lazard figures place utility scale solar roughly in the range of about 30 to 90 dollars per megawatt hour. New nuclear power typically comes in well over 140 dollars per megawatt hour and often much higher once delays and overruns are included.


Coal is also more expensive than solar when built today. These are not opinions, they are published cost comparisons used by investors and utilities worldwide.


Yes, solar requires upfront capital, but so does every power station ever built. The difference is that solar has no fuel cost, low maintenance costs, short build times, and modular scaling.


Nuclear requires massive upfront capital, extremely long construction times, complex regulation, ongoing fuel handling, waste management, and decommissioning costs that last decades.

The land argument also does not hold.


Solar does not automatically remove land from agriculture. Rooftop solar uses no agricultural land at all. Utility scale solar can and does coexist with grazing and certain crops.


Wind turbines occupy very small ground footprints, allowing farming to continue around them.On the environmental side, solar is vastly safer than nuclear.


Solar does not produce radioactive waste that must be stored and guarded for thousands of years. It does not carry catastrophic risk from accidents, mismanagement, or sabotage.


Bird mortality from wind is real but is orders of magnitude lower than deaths caused by fossil fuels, habitat loss, and even buildings and vehicles.


Nuclear accidents may be rare, but when they happen the consequences are severe and long lasting.



Residential solar is more expensive per unit than large utility projects, that is true. But on a grid scale, solar is already cheaper than coal and nuclear in most parts of the world.


That is exactly why it is being built so aggressively everywhere except where politics and vested interests block it.


So no, Uncle BS, solar is not expensive electricity. The data does not support your claim.


Nuclear is not the cheapest option, and it is certainly not the clean, simple solution it is often portrayed as. Get your facts straight.

DA
Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
02 Jan 2026, 08:17
#34
02 Jan 2026, 08:17#34

That argument doesn’t hold up. Mining, fishing and farming are activities that physically extract or consume something.

There are a few posters on here that I don't even bother reading or responding to anymore ... and Trad is one of them...... because all you ever see from him is "Liberal"...... "Liberal" ....... "Liberal" .... ad naseum".

Taxing people for using the sun in any way at all is exactly like trying to tax people for collecting natural rainwater falling from the skies on to their own property.



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Jan 2026, 09:22
#35
02 Jan 2026, 09:22#35

What's next...taxing the air that we breathe?

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
02 Jan 2026, 16:15
#36
02 Jan 2026, 16:15#36

I spend R80 000 on providin g sion and wind electricity to my house in Tinley Manor Beach. I t wa sthre big gest was te of monwey in my whole liefe, In the USA there was a 11 billion power plan t using sun electriciy was shut down se it never was the target set fr provision and deteriorated badly. A ral White leephant.


The other BS is that the Chiese arebuilding coal power plan ts and export the sun and wing equipment knowing full well they would not use the sh oit in Chinma themseves.


Nuclear power is clean and the mosgt accurate way of power supply in any country. Evidence is that even icf they only want to replace existing power plants it woul;d take u 20% of the agricul;tiral land in countries and it will not cater fr ny expansion of the system to provide additional power. ^

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MpowerPro5,061 posts
02 Jan 2026, 17:18
#37
02 Jan 2026, 17:18#37

You are throwing around big claims here but you are not providing a single source to back them up.You say you spent R80,000 on solar and wind and that it was the biggest waste of money of your life.


What exactly did you install for that price? What inverter, what panels, what batteries, what wind turbine, and who installed it? R80,000 for combined solar and wind already sounds questionable, so without details it proves nothing.


You also claim there was an 11 billion dollar solar power plant in the USA that failed. Which plant was this? Name it and provide a source. Without evidence, that is just a story.


By that same logic, every nuclear accident should mean nuclear power is a failure too, yet you conveniently ignore those.


Nuclear power is not some perfect solution. Nuclear plants require exclusion zones, massive water resources for cooling, and permanent radioactive waste storage that stays dangerous for generations. That is not “clean” in any practical sense.


You also claim solar and wind withdraw huge areas from agriculture. That is misleading. Solar can be installed on rooftops, industrial land, degraded land, parking areas, and alongside farming.


Wind turbines take up very little ground footprint and farming continues between them. This has been proven all over the world.


Then you say China is building coal power stations and exporting solar and wind because they supposedly do not use it themselves?? That is simply false. China is the world leader in solar, wind, hydro, and battery manufacturing and deployment.


They install more renewable energy every year than any other country. If you think otherwise, provide a source. Yes, solar and wind require upfront investment.


That does not make the electricity expensive. On a cost per kilowatt hour basis, solar is now cheaper than coal, nuclear, and gas in most parts of the world. That is why utilities and industries keep installing it.


If you want to debate this seriously, bring facts, names, and sources. Otherwise you are just repeating talking points and blaming an industry you clearly do not understand at all.


I have worked in this field for many years. Bad installations and bad decisions do not make the technology itself a failure.


So yet again, like always, stop making up BS and get your facts straight.

TH
TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
02 Jan 2026, 18:39
#38
02 Jan 2026, 18:39#38

It is a multi layered issue. Liberals have troubles speaking about the way they have structured society.

Just an example: the US have confirmed their perception that the markets are the economy.


The evaluation of the cost of an energy source must include all potential costs.


Solar energy will not allow the same level of speculation as oil or gas (especially oil) There is no indication that a market would grow the same on solar energy share. It is meant on the same amount of energy consumption in terawatts or whatever, solar energy is unlikely to match market performance of oil energy. It is a huge problem as it adds to the cost of solar energy. Of course, liberals will not spend months, weeks, days or even hours speaking about it but they are aware of the problem (they are woke in this regard) Billions of shareholder dividends are vaporised when moving to a solar energy economy, the level of speculation is merely not the same. It is insisted, on the same level of energy consumption, an economy will grow less when on solar rather than oil because the markets will not perform the same.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
02 Jan 2026, 19:51
#39
02 Jan 2026, 19:51#39

The poor are getting poorer and the elite richer despite your side's supposed good intentions Tradhole...your system simply don't work...free market has it's failings but it's still the best system...socialism leads to suffering....always.

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TheTraditionalistPro4,003 posts
02 Jan 2026, 22:16
#40
02 Jan 2026, 22:16#40

What system... Liberals can not stand themselves. It is only liberalism. Already stated many times, liberalism by design is supposed the system for every human group. There is no point discussing any other system. Only liberalism matters.


Free markets and Trump... The power of the liberal mind is staggering. How do liberals manage to dismiss the immediate environment...


If liberals want to bail out of their own system, that is liberals' problem. It is about liberalism and only liberalism.

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