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Started by Plum13 REPLIES462 VIEWS· 30 Oct 2020, 19:16
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PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Oct 2020, 19:16
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30 Oct 2020, 19:16#1

When growing plants indoors, it is advised to operate a flueless gas fire in the room for several hours per day.

Why?

H20 and CO2 constitute 99.9% of the byproducts produced when gas is burnt.

Higher CO2 levels help plants grow to much larger sizes than they would at lower concentrations.

So what exactly would happen if we continue to burn fossil fuels?

More hurricanes? - apparently that's speculative.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2012/09/05/dont-believe-the-global-warmists-major-hurricanes-are-less-frequent/?sh=6fea5a80f4de

What about elevated oxygen production and crop yield? Seems we never hear about this not so insignificant side of the story. I like oxygen and food.

Actually, I like O3 too and a thicker atmosphere means more ozone.

I'm struggling to see the CO2 downside here...












DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
30 Oct 2020, 20:11
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30 Oct 2020, 20:11#2

I'm yet to see the calculations that prove that higher CO2 levels will have al the negatives "They" say it will. I know "They" say all scientists agree, but I would still like to see the physics backing the conclusion....I  don't want to hear about "models" this and "projections" that...show me the physics calcs.

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sharkbokCaptain23,208 posts
30 Oct 2020, 21:47
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30 Oct 2020, 21:47#3
Dumb Plum, at the very least you have grasped that plants "breathe" in CO2 and "breathe" out oxygen, and therefore part of an ecosystem.

Making random changes like reducing oxygen or CO2 will change the balance and effect change. Scientists of today are limited in their knowledge, but smart enough to not try to change the makeup of the natural atmosphere.
At least not until science was advanced enough to make improvements, whatever they may be. 
The environment is warming that is a fact. CO2 is the cause and its level is increasing.Unfortunately, scientists do not have a travel itinerary with the man-made catastrophic events and dates - or a rate card based on the % increase outlining the events like a movie series. 
However, the assumption is that too much change would not be good on the environment so reducing CO2 is prudent. 
Are you allergic to clean energy? 

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
30 Oct 2020, 22:08
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30 Oct 2020, 22:08#4

Lol Vrottie

Calling me dumb and then immediately proceeding to make a factually incorrect statement which you quickly follow with an unwitting contradiction to your own climate change argument. 

And I bet that even though I've told you about it, you still can't see it.

Classic toolbox.



MO
MozartCaptain49,914 posts
31 Oct 2020, 03:36
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31 Oct 2020, 03:36#5
‘CO2 fertilization and climate change are still important,” says Chen. Extra CO2 in the atmosphere is still responsible for the majority of the change in greenness seen in the 17-year period he and his team looked at. However, the study reveals that how we are managing forests and croplands has a greater impact that previously thought.’
......
Of course CO2 increases are proven....1 degree is not going to promote much greening. But this good news can’t be allowed to stand. CO2 doing something good....nope it’s inconvenient.
So it is actually ‘terrible’ because a fraction of it comes from crops that rapidly disgorge their CO2. And if that argument doesn’t do it for you, we are warned because it won’t last for long because of the mythical heat.
They have all the bases covered.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Oct 2020, 07:17
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31 Oct 2020, 07:17#6

Remember that the regulation and taxes were initially going to be help us avoid an ice age.

Then, once they realised things were heating up, the narrative did a complete 180.

Either way, feel guilty, know you are harming the earth and given us the power because "science".



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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Oct 2020, 11:23
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31 Oct 2020, 11:23#7

We're at the apex of this cycle...it might get a wee bit hotter, but it's just a matter of time before the "dive" starts.

Plum, have you seen the Joe Rogan with Alex Jones?

Not a Jones fan myself,  but Joe actually put him into context well...the climate came up too....long watch though.

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Oct 2020, 13:33
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31 Oct 2020, 13:33#8

I saw some of the highlights, Draad. Did catch the full G ad Saad pod though. I rate him highly.

If you are looking for a good book/audiobook, Saad has a newish one out called The Parasitic Mind.

It's around the idea that people don't have ideas but rather that ideas have people. Pretty much a handbook on how to understand and deal with plebs like ole VisKop.

Jokes aside, a great read and I think you'll appreciate it.


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Oct 2020, 13:53
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31 Oct 2020, 13:53#9

Optimal CO2 for plant growth is at about 1200ppm. That increases growth speed by roughly 30%.

That's farming flexibility one just can't buy. Currently, 8.8% of the world's population live in poverty.

Increasing phytoplankton growth by 10-30% is a complete game-changer at all levels. From atmospheric O2 to the oceanic food chain and fish stocks.

Note; Phytoplankton produces most of the world's oxygen...something like 50% of it.

Then there is also the matter of widening the diameter of the earth's atmosphere and how that relates to ozone AND to the greenhouse effect. If anything, the earth should cool since a larger volume of atmosphere means the trapped greenhouse heat is spread over a wider area.

Anytime you wanna jump in, Viskop?






DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Oct 2020, 14:15
#10
31 Oct 2020, 14:15#10

"The Parasitic Mind: How Infectious Ideas Are Killing Common Sense

Front Cover

Gad Saad

Simon and Schuster, 06 Oct 2020 - Political Science - 256 pages

0 Reviews

"Read this book, strengthen your resolve, and help us all return to reason." —JORDAN PETERSON


Well, Plum and Jordan recommend it, then it must be very good!

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
31 Oct 2020, 16:40
#11
31 Oct 2020, 16:40#11

Haha Draad

Let me know what you think if you do get the book.

DB
DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
31 Oct 2020, 17:37
#12
31 Oct 2020, 17:37#12

I'll probably only really start reading it after 15 12 2020

PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
01 Nov 2020, 12:06
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01 Nov 2020, 12:06#13

Nobody gonna put me on the right track then?


PL
PlumCaptain21,007 posts
02 Nov 2020, 07:58
#14
02 Nov 2020, 07:58#14

This thread is so much proof of tribal thinking.

I've literally not researched a single thing posted above. 

It turns out that simply making a few logical statements and asking some incredibly basic questions is enough to frighten off the global warming mob.

It appears that there are two things happening here.

Firstly, they don't know enough to counter a simple point about the benefits of global greening.

And secondly, they're probably having a maximum hard time trying to Google an answer because it's very likely that the positive effects of CO2 are entirely ignored by "science" and it's models.  

Hahaha

Cumon VigsKop...G oogle harder 

Hahahahaha

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