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Colonel McGregor drops some important truth bombs.

Started by Beeno115 REPLIES495 VIEWS· 23 Jun 2023, 16:40
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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Jun 2023, 16:40
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23 Jun 2023, 16:40#1

Impressed with his grasp of the situation. 


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Beeno1Captain40,032 posts
23 Jun 2023, 16:53
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23 Jun 2023, 16:53#2

Sorry here is the clip:



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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
23 Jun 2023, 17:42
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23 Jun 2023, 17:42#3
Yeah his truth bombs are unparalleled in their accuracy.
"If they don't surre nder in the next 24 hours, I suspect Russia will ultimately annihilate them"
Col. Macgregor, February 2022

"The war is really over for the Ukrainians...they have been ground to bits"Col. Macgregor, March 2022
“The war, with the exception of Kharkiv and Odesa, as far as the Russians are concerned is largely over.” Col. Macgregor, July 2022


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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Jun 2023, 17:55
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23 Jun 2023, 17:55#4

Yes, Ukraine is really kicking Russia's arse!

It's  valiant effort, but at what cost?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Jun 2023, 17:57
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23 Jun 2023, 17:57#5

   

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Jun 2023, 18:00
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23 Jun 2023, 18:00#6

Not to mention the lives lost...screw Putin, but Zelensky and Nato have to take some of the blame too...this BS war must stop...I hate that everyone is justifying it...pride is killing people...old people an children.

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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
23 Jun 2023, 18:46
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23 Jun 2023, 18:46#7
Oh the cost is massive. At a minimum tens of thousands of Ukrainian's soldiers and civilians have died and the country has suffered huge industrial, economic, cultural and environmental damage.
But that has to be weighed against what would have happened had the Ukrainian's chosen to surrender rather than fight. 
Not to mention the lives lost...screw Putin, but Zelensky and Nato have to take some of the blame too...this BS war must stop...I hate that everyone is justifying it...pride is killing people...old people an children.

How could NATO have stopped it? What did Zelensky do?
No one is justifying the war, its just most in the west believe and in my opinion quite rightly that Ukraine has the right to self defence.  



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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jun 2023, 18:53
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23 Jun 2023, 18:53#8

Draad, Anger is simply pointing out that McGregor has been dead wrong most of the time. Nobody thinks Ukraine is beating up Russia, but they remain undefeated.

As  for the causes of war, as in all human interactions there are always provocations on both sides. But there was nothing happening in the Ukraine that justified the Russian invasion in 2022.

That was an act of brutality that every fair thinking person should condemn. As for Zelensky it was obvious he was trying to downplay  the possibility of the Russian invasion. When it was clear they were moving, he said this:

What he's saying: In the final hours before the invasion began, Zelensky revealed that he had tried to call Putin but been met with "silence." He addressed the Russian people in Russian to make an appeal for peace, while acknowledging the need to prepare for war.

  • After Putin's invasion order, the smallest spark could start a "big war" and "burn everything down," he said, adding: "You are told that this flame will liberate the people of Ukraine, but the Ukrainian people are free."
  • Zelensky said the Russian people have been told he and his citizens are Nazis, despite the fact that his grandfather fought the Nazis in the Soviet infantry. 
  • He said Russians have falsely been told both that Ukrainians hate Russian culture and have no culture of their own. "We are different, but that is not a reason to be enemies," he said.
  • He said Ukraine had never been and never will be a threat to Russia, and while Russia would never allow his speech to be shown on Russian television, "the people of Russia need to see it."

………

Sound like a man who wanted a war? However, now the war is a reality he’s the leader of his people. And they want to defend their country.

There is only one honorable side in this conflict. I say that as somebody who believes the Russians should have been welcomed back into the club after the Soviet Union collapsed. And as an admirer of Russian culture.

But this is brutality and needs to be condemned unequivocally.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Jun 2023, 19:11
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23 Jun 2023, 19:11#9

Of course...you and Anger are both right...I don't say anyone wants this war, I'm saying  nobody is really trying to stop it...Ukraine won't defeat Russia...so what's their next best option?

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Jun 2023, 19:24
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23 Jun 2023, 19:24#10

PS, I don't know what to believe anymore...after the lies and BS of the past few years,  I won't put anything past the arseholes running the world...I don't trust Russia one bit, but the little jester running Ukraine ain't what he pretend to be either...the whole thing is obviously scripted...we will never know the actual truth.

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
23 Jun 2023, 19:41
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23 Jun 2023, 19:41#11

Obscene amounts of money is poured into this war...some few individuals are benefitting a whole lot...this war is about money and power...nothing noble about it for anyone. 

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MoonroverPro1,973 posts
23 Jun 2023, 21:03
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23 Jun 2023, 21:03#12

Oh ...how innocent the USA is....shame on you Black Rock.

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MozartCaptain49,914 posts
23 Jun 2023, 21:53
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23 Jun 2023, 21:53#13

Maybe some people are getting wealthy from the war, a huge shift of resources is bound to do that. But what we need to focus on is the destruction of people’s lives and the loss of life itself. All sorts unworthy people make fortunes every day.


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Stavanger1Pro4,532 posts
23 Jun 2023, 21:57
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23 Jun 2023, 21:57#14

I'm saying  nobody is really trying to stop it.

Well tell me how they can stop it?

Ukraine won't defeat Russia

They might. Plenty of examples of Russia losing wars throughout history. Russia lost to Japan in 1905 and Poland in 1921, Afghanistan 1989, First Chechan War 1996. I'm not saying its going to happen, it will be extremely difficult but you can't rule it out.

But here's the thing I'm already fairly certain of, Ukraine might not win, but Russia has already lost and catastrophically so.

but the little jester running Ukraine ain't what he pretend to be either...the whole thing is obviously scripted...we will never know the actual truth.

I think its more a case that some will never accept the truth, because it conflicts with their pre- conceived views of the world.

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clevermikeCoach57,555 posts
24 Jun 2023, 02:44
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24 Jun 2023, 02:44#15

 So what is the truth?   It depends entirely on what the propaganda machine says the truth is.   

The Russians have tried to get the Ukrainians to act according to signed agreements - the Americans tried to get a war going somewhere - anywhere as long as it takes peoples minds away from the disastrous and ultra-corrupt Biden Administration.    

Thies war did not start in 2022 - it started as a civil war caused by the USA initiated coup in the Ukraine and whatever was agreed upon in negotiations initiated by France and Germany leading to the Minsk agreement of 2015.    While Trump was President the situation was relatively low-keyed.    Up to 2015 when the Minsk agreement was signed to sop the Civil War there were between 14 000 and 15 000 people killed in the Civil War.   FACT.     After the said agreement the civil war simmered on and another 4 800 and 5000 people died.

After the 2014 coup - when the Americans decided according to confirmed video evidence from a interview on TV with Nuland - the then Assistant Secretary of State in the Obama Administration who should govern Ukraine in total disregard of the Ukraine Constitution of 1991 the Civil War continued.    At that stage the situation got progressively worse and USA  politicians saw it as an opportunity to enrich themselves.   Evidence now unearthed indicated that  Biden, Pelosi and Schiff amongst others benefited in a major way from corruption in the Ukraine linked entirely to USAID grants to Ukraine - as well as other countries who received AID from the USA.   In 2019 Trump quoting a video recording on the Biden vice-presidency under Obama asked some questions about the Biden family activities in Ukraine and stpped the direct transfer of money from the USA to Ukraine.   

In the USA media there was a crescendo of anti0-Russian propaganda about collusion between Trump and Putin in the 2016 election - which turned out to be lies spread by the  Democrats and Mueller who could find NO EVIDENCE to prove that there was collusion at all - but the anti-Russia propaganda became worse as a result of lies spread by the Democrats. and the relationship between the USA and  Russia got poisoned as a result of the USA media false  anti-Russia propaganda.

Be it as it may as is evidenced by the comments of site members on this forum as well - Russia was to blame for everything that went wrong since Biden became President.   In Ukraine itself the election of Zelenskyy as President caused serious problems in Ukraine itself.    It was directly linked to increased oppression of the Russian speaking people living in Ukraine.   It became evident when anybody who spoke Russian in public in the are controlled by the Kiev Government   was arrested and had to pay fines - Russian was forbidden by the ukraine government despite the fact that at least 30% ot the population had Russian as their home language.  The EU investigated the issue and made a statement to condemn it - but the Ukraine Government ignored it.    

In January 2022 there was a resolution passed unanimously in the Ukraine Parliament to condemn a potential invasion by Russia.   This resolution was supported by the Russian speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament.   In early February 2022 the Ukraine government arrested the Russian speaking members of the Ukraine Parliament.   In a move to crush the opposition to the rule of Ukraine Government in Eastern Ukraine sent 60 000 troops to Eastern Ukraine and the civil war immediately escalated.    

I for one condemned the Russian invasion - but I also condemn  the conduct o the USA that undermine peace negotiations in Ukraine.                                


           

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DbDraadCaptain26,388 posts
24 Jun 2023, 06:18
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24 Jun 2023, 06:18#16

"I think its more a case that some will never accept the truth, because it conflicts with their pre- conceived views of the world."

Nah, I see a country destroyed and it's leader challenging the invader like a kapokhaantjie...making speeches on Twitter while thousands are dieing in the mud...this is an unnecessary war and a few concessions can probably stop it or have prevented it. Diplomacy is dead. Russia is evil.

What was the particulars of the Minsk Agreement?

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