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Debunked: Trumps Voting Fraud Allegations

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sharkbokCaptain23,207 posts
08 Nov 2020, 22:56
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08 Nov 2020, 22:56#1

He has managed to turn the US election into a big brother show with the usual batch of conspiracies and baseless claims. He could not leave gracefully, he had to turn it into a total mess. 

Then he has used his followers to gather "evidence". Trump had no proof when he first made the allegations. He later trawled social media for conspiracies to use as the basis for his accusations. The more the better, Trump did not think twice about fact-checking. 

At first, Trump said to stop the counting, which would have meant he lost. Then he only wanted to stop the counting in areas that he was winning.

The US can be very litigious, in other countries it is easier to counter sue false allegations as defamation of character. 

He is accusing states, the vote counters, the voters, the state politicians and anyone else with allegations that are easily debunked.
It is fraudulent claims that Trump knows are either BS, or at the very least he knows he does not have evidence. 

He is just trying to drag this along as he can. Perhaps he will create some ballots for Georgia to help him record the lead. 
What is to stop him creating false evidence in certain states, as proof of voting fraud. 

I am just happy that Trump is gone. I will probably stop following US politics now. The world seems like it is going back to normal, and hopefully, 2021 is the year Covid is defeated. 


    On the verge of what appeared to be a likely defeat by former Vice President Joe Biden, Trump emerged in the press briefing room and took a blowtorch to the presidential tradition of defending the legitimacy of the democratic process.
    Election theft?Trump alleged that unnamed opponents of his are "trying to steal an election" and "trying to rig an election."Facts First: This is entirely baseless. This election is legitimate. Trump's opponents are not trying to steal it. Election officials are simply counting legally cast votes.Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and GeorgiaTrump claimed that he "won" the states of Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia, citing his substantial early leads in the vote counts there.Facts First: This is false. Holding a lead before all of the votes are counted is, obviously, not the same as having won -- and Trump has lost Wisconsin and Michigan, according to projections. At the time of his speech, he was also in trouble in Pennsylvania as votes from Democratic-leaning areas were counted, and his margin in Georgia was shrinking fast as the count continued.
    Trump called mail-in voting "a corrupt system," adding later that there is "tremendous corruption and fraud going on."Facts First: This is also just wrong. Fraud is exceedingly rare with mail-in voting; though it does happen on occasion, there is no basis on which to call the entire system corrupt.The legitimacy of the count, part 1Trump began the speech by saying, "If you count the legal votes, I easily win. If you count the illegal votes, they can try to steal the election from us."Facts First: This is, again, just false. Trump was on the verge of defeat because legal votes continued to be counted. There was no basis for his suggestion that "illegal votes" were being counted, certainly not that such votes were the reason he was in electoral trouble.The legitimacy of the count, part 2Trump claimed, "We were winning in all of the key locations by a lot, actually, and our numbers started miraculously getting whittled away. ..." He added, "They want to find out how many votes they need and then they seem to be able to find them. They wait and wait and then they find them. ..."Facts First: There is no basis for Trump's suggestion that something nefarious had caused some of his leads to shrink or that anybody was nefariously manipulating the vote counts. His leads had shrunk in some states because entirely legitimate mail-in ballots were being counted. Because many more Democrats than Republicans chose to vote by mail, the order of the counts in these states caused Trump to lose ground in the vote totals over time.In other states like Florida, where mail-in ballots were counted earlier than in-person votes, Trump actually gained ground in the totals over time -- as he has in Arizona, which remained too close to call at the time of his speech.The legitimacy of the count, part 3Trump claimed, "In multiple swing states, counting was halted for hours and hours on election night, with results withheld from major Democrat-run locations, only to appear later. And they certainly appeared, and they all had the name Biden on them, or just about all, I think almost all. They all had the name Biden on them, which is a little strange."Facts First: Trump's innuendo is baseless. Different states counted their ballots at different speeds, but there is no basis to claim that results were suspiciously "withheld" -- some counties and states always take a while to count and to report -- or that there was something suspicious about Biden's dominance in the late stages of the count in some states. Again, Biden's gains were a result of legitimate mail-in ballots being counted.It's not true that "all" or "almost all" mail ballots being counted on Wednesday or Thursday were for Biden. Biden handily led Trump in these batches of ballots, but Trump was getting tens of thousands of votes from mail voters in places like Pennsylvania and Michigan, too.The legitimacy of the count, part 4Trump said, "It's amazing how those mail-in ballots are so one-sided."Facts First: There is nothing suspicious about the fact that far more Biden voters than Trump voters chose to vote by mail: Biden encouraged his supporters to do so, while Trump relentlessly disparaged mail-in voting as fraud-prone and unsafe.Trump made some brief exceptions during the campaign, saying at one point that mail voting in Florida was safe and secure, but his dominant message to his voters was that they should vote in person.
    Democrats and the countTrump said, "There are now only a few states yet to be decided in the presidential race. The voting apparatus of those states are run in all cases by Democrats." He later added that "the election apparatus in Georgia is run by Democrats."Facts First: This is false. Georgia's top elections official, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, is a Republican. So is Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske of Nevada, a state where the race was also close at the time.There is also no basis to suggest that the Democratic election officials in other states have done anything wrong. And it is local counties that actually count the votes.Votes and Election Day?Trump declared that "no illegal votes" should be allowed to be cast after Election Day, suggesting that such illegal voting was happening.Facts First: Votes are not being cast after Election Day; votes are being counted after Election Day, as always. And some states accept mail ballots received after Election Day if they are postmarked on or before Election Day."Unsolicited" ballotsTrump claimed that states had sent out tens of millions of "unsolicited" ballots "without any verification measures whatsoever." He was referring to states that mailed a ballot to each eligible registered voter without requiring a specific request.Facts First: This is a familiar Trump claim, and it remains wrong. The nine states (plus Washington, DC) that sent out such ballots have various ballot security measures in place, such as signature-match requirements, to ensure the correct people are voting. It's worth noting that one of the states that sends out "unsolicited" ballots is Republican-run Utah, which Trump is projected to carry for the second consecutive election.Detroit and PhiladelphiaTrump claimed, "Detroit and Philadelphia, known as two of the most corrupt political places anywhere in our country, easily, cannot be responsible for engineering the outcome of a presidential race, a very important presidential race."Facts First: There was no basis for Trump's suggestion that Detroit and Philadelphia had done anything wrong in this election, much less that they were "engineering the outcome." Their local counties were simply counting votes, like every other local county.Election observers in DetroitTrump claimed, "Our campaign has been denied access to observe any counting in Detroit."Facts First: This is false. Reporter Annie Grayer said she has observed representatives of the Trump campaign roaming for three days at the TFC Center, where the counting of Detroit's mail ballots is taking place. And on Monday, the first day of the counting of these ballots, Grayer took a photo of Republican poll challengers checking in at the facility.Detroit's corporation counsel (principal attorney), Lawrence Garcia, said there were approximately 225 Republican poll challengers in the facility on Wednesday, along with 256 Democrats and 76 independents, Grayer reported.Grayer said she has seen two people get kicked out, one a Republican who refused to wear a mask over their nose and one of undetermined affiliation for causing a disturbance while wearing a Halloween mask. But that's not the same as no Trump observers being allowed at all.Covered windowsTrump claimed, "One major hub for counting ballots in Detroit covered up the windows again with large pieces of cardboard and so they wanted to protect and block the counting area. They didn't want anybody seeing the counting, though these were observers, legal observers that were supposed to be there."Facts First: This is misleading: Republican poll challengers were already inside the facility in Detroit when some windows were covered on Wednesday after additional Republicans arrived on scene.Garcia said in a statement: "Some -- but not all -- windows were covered, because poll workers seated just inside those windows expressed concerns about people outside the center photographing and filming them and their work. Only the media is allowed to take pictures inside the counting place, and people outside the center were not listening to requests to stop filming poll workers and their paperwork. Hundreds of challengers from both parties were inside the central counting board all afternoon and all evening; dozens of reporters were in the room too. At all times, people outside the center could see in through windows that were further away from counting board work spaces."A pipe bursting in GeorgiaTrump claimed, "In Georgia, a pipe burst in a faraway location totally unrelated to the location of what was happening, and they stopped counting for four hours."Facts First: It's not true that the burst-pipe issue in Atlanta happened in a location unrelated to the vote count. The pipe burst in a room at State Farm Arena that local officials said was above the processing room for Fulton County absentee ballots.The issue did cause a four-hour delay. No ballots were damaged, officials said.The legitimacy of pollsTrump delivered some legitimate criticism of the inaccuracy of many polls. But then he said that "the pollsters got it knowingly wrong," saying they were attempting the "suppression" of his supporters.Facts First: This is baseless. Trump was correct that some polls were way off, but there is no evidence that pollsters were trying to be wrong -- at considerable public embarrassment to themselves.The status of the Senate
      Trump said, "We kept the Senate despite having twice as many seats to defend as Democrats."Facts First: It was unclear at the time whether Republicans would keep the Senate -- in part because one race in Georgia was heading for a January runoff election and other Georgia race appeared likely to be going to a runoff as well. (Some additional Senate races in other states, in which Republicans held leads, had also not yet been called by media outlets.)
      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      08 Nov 2020, 23:35
      #2
      08 Nov 2020, 23:35#2

      Ok numbskull, let's start small.

      Is there or is there not evidence of dead people voting in this election.

      Note - filling out a ballot for a dead person  = voter fraud.

      Go on, a simple yes or no will do.

      SH
      sharkbokCaptain23,207 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 00:11
      #3
      09 Nov 2020, 00:11#3
      Dumb Plum,
      Is there or is their not evidence of people voting more than 3 times?  I don't know, and neither do you. An allegation does not make something a fact. There could be a million other permutations of what is possible, but where is the evidence. 

      I don't know if there is evidence of dead people voting, and if so how many votes this was. Neither do you. (except perhaps a blurry image of a spreadsheet taken from someone's Facebook page. If the police, or someone who is actually involved in doing local elections provided evidence, I would be happy to consider it. 

      If Trump had won, Black life matters could have done the exact same thing with false allegations. 
      Imagine anytime something does not go for you, you can accuse everyone that was involved in the call with serious allegations of fraud that are baseless and just a tactic to not accept whatever agreement was in place. 
      It is not a civil way of dealing with people threatening to sue, it just creates bad will and diminishes everyone involved. Trump's approach is sue first, think second.
      Then finally try find evidence, fabricate evidence or misconstrue stuff as evidence.

      MO
      MozartCaptain49,914 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 05:27
      #4
      09 Nov 2020, 05:27#4

      A bunch of assertions don’t constitute proof.

      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 06:56
      #5
      09 Nov 2020, 06:56#5

      Ok VisKop

      I'll help you.

      Yes, dead people did vote in this election.

      One guy, born in 1850 voted for Biden this year. This is pretty easy to prove as mail-in ballots can be tracked on line. That's how people are able to check that their ballot was received and counted.

      Now the next question is, how many dead people voted?



      SE
      SebPro2,680 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 07:23
      #6
      09 Nov 2020, 07:23#6

      When you make allegations you have to provide evidence...that's a basic requirement in law...hearsay and suspicion is not tolerated without it.

      Having said that..."where there is smoke there is fire".

      In some states, a postage date and signatures are NOT required...if this is true to some states, is this a huge flaw and oversight and leads to distrust and lacks integrity in the system. If indeed we talk about a United States then there must be consistency in all voting requirements to every state.

      https://youtu.be/ZyrES1b47gM



      CR
      CrusadersfanPro3,099 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 07:50
      #7
      09 Nov 2020, 07:50#7

      Put it this way I bet there has been some dodgy voting but are you trying to tell me not one republican has done it, jesus I bet half of Kentucky probably has since most cant write and a X is easy to forge  (besides they would have forgotten they voted by the next day)

      And don't ask me for proof as I am following the guidelines of most of the morons on here which is make up what you want and say it as often as possible until the morons believe you.

      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 08:50
      #8
      09 Nov 2020, 08:50#8

      Agree 100%, Sader.

      Democracy = Legal elections

      I'd personally be even happier if they find it on both sides because that would result in a sterner correction. One which is much needed there. We know that shit rolls downhill and I'm happier knowing they're maintaining course rather than devolving. Trust in elections is mandatory in democracy. For a plethora of established reasons, it's a paramount government service. EG We know that shit falls apart when democracy is subverted. There simply isn't counter-evidence with a happy ending.

      I see Giuliani saying that Joe Frazier voted this year. If anyone deserves a vote from the grave then Smokin Joe would be my pick.

      All the demS need to do is be patient. Four more weeks of Donald and some final memes...provided there's nothing illegal.

      Let's move on...the "glitched" voting machines.

      I see they're blaming both human error and software update packages for the mistakes on two different occasions. And strangely, none of these errors in Trump's favour?

      “Because the clerk did not update software, even though the tabulators counted all the ballots correctly, those accurate results were not combined properly when the clerk reported unofficial results,” the Department of State said.

      “Even if the error in the reported unofficial results had not been quickly noticed, it would have been identified during the county canvass,” department officials added. “The software did not cause a misallocation of votes; it was a result of user human error.”

      Antrim County officials acknowledged that the results seemed “skewed” and promised a second look. More than 16,000 votes were cast.



      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 09:35
      #9
      09 Nov 2020, 09:35#9

      Now, is any of this true?

      Mentioned during a Fox News interview by host Maria Bartiromo were Nadeam Elshami, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s former chief of staff who last year became a lobbyist for Dominion, and Richard Blum, California Sen. Dianne Feinstein’s husband, who she said is a significant shareholder in the company.

      "They have invested in it for their own reasons and are using it to commit this fraud to steal votes. I think they’ve even stolen them from other Democrats in their own party who should be outraged about this also," Powell said.

      The attorney also suggested that Dominion had a hand in tilting the primaries in Joe Biden's favor. "Bernie Sanders might very well have been the democratic candidate but they’ve stolen against whoever they wanted to steal it from," Powell said.

      Dominion did not immediately return a request for comment on Powell's claims.

      The company, which has a lock on a third of the voting machine market according to Bloomberg, has faced scrutiny in the past couple of days with voting problems reported in parts of Michigan and Georgia, although the company and local officials have discounted the idea that the software was to blame.

      Dominion has customers in 28 states and Puerto Rico, including all of the battleground states where Trump and his allies are contesting and pinning their hopes on recounts after media outlets called the presidential race for Biden.

      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 09:41
      #10
      09 Nov 2020, 09:41#10

      Here's an interesting link about Dominion software...

      Nancy and Dominion


      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 09:46
      #11
      09 Nov 2020, 09:46#11

      There's more...

      Full article

      A 2014 form filed with the State of California says Dominion was founded in 2003 in Canada and 2009 in the U.S. Its principal officers were listed then as John Poulos, CEO; Ian MacVicar, CFO; and James Hoover, VP of Product Line Management. Other articles say Poulos and Hoover are the co-founders.

      Since the 2016 election especially, Dominion and other large voting firms have faced increasing Congressional scrutiny. It’s not unusual for big firms under the Congressional microscope to hire people or firms with ties to other power players; Dominion has ties to the Clinton Foundation. The company has used lobbying firms that employ lobbyists with ties to major figures like Georgia’s Republican governor and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, as well as a lobbyist who donated money to Republican Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. Increasing the scrutiny, it has also worked with firms tied to George Soros and Robert Mueller and gets some components from China. A former ambassador named by former President Barack Obama sits on the board of a company that acquired it in 2018.

      The company’s equipment is used in North Carolina, Nevada, Georgia, Michigan, Arizona, and Pennsylvania – key states where President Donald Trump’s campaign has raised concerns or that are still being counted. The major television networks have called the election for former Vice President Joe Biden, but Trump has not conceded.

      RO
      RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 10:48
      #12
      09 Nov 2020, 10:48#12

      Sniff, it's all so unfair! The naughty Democrats stole the election from Bozo. Boohoohoo!

      Was this predictable or what?

      LMAO!

      I predict that now that Bozo is officially a one-term failure and no longer able to bully and threaten people into telling lies, the truth will eventually come out about Russian collusion, Ukraine and how Bozo and his disgusting family used the White House to further their own business interests . . . and Bozo will go to jail and become someone's blushing prison bride.

      History will expose Bozo as the worst US president of all time and his gullible Trumpanzee supporters as the same kind of brainwashed morons that allowed Hitler to come to power.

      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 10:51
      #13
      09 Nov 2020, 10:51#13

      "Sniff, it's all so unfair!"

      "I predict..."

      "History will..."

      All that is missing from your sterling rebuttal is one word - "Conspiracy."

      Good effort.

      DA
      Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 10:58
      #14
      09 Nov 2020, 10:58#14

      Denise Ondick, aged 74 was a registered democrat

      She died on October 22th, and the mail-in ballot arrived to her house on the 24th of October, and it was completed and sent back to the election officials on the 2nd November.

      Nobody from her family did this on her behalf....  as quoted by her daughter Cynthia Mains.

      This mail-in ballot cast in Denise's name, was among 350 000 cast in the election from Allegheny County

      According to Denise's daughter, even though she was a registered democrat, she told her family before she died from Cancer, that she was definitely going to vote for Trump.

      I have no idea how much fraud went on during this election, but clearly a lot happened behind the scenes than we are lead to believe....

      Even if Trump got Pennsylvania back, it seems Biden has about 290 electoral votes already, so he would have enough votes to still take the election.

      That all depends on what gets unearthed with this whole corrupt counting scandal.

      If Trump lost, I would say tough shit..... move on..... but this whole voting count issue just leaves a very sour taste...

      I do find it hard to believe that millions of dead people's names were used to swing the election, but I do know that these democrats will do absolutely anything possible to get Trump out of the office, so nothing at all would surprise m e here

      I always say, where there is smoke... there is fire


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      Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 11:00
      #15
      09 Nov 2020, 11:00#15

      "the truth will eventually come out about Russian collusion"

      LMAO...… still waiting are you

      Trump has already caused you so many embarrassing moments on this forum.....

      H e made you look like the twat we all know you to be in real life

      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 11:34
      #16
      09 Nov 2020, 11:34#16

      The above reading on the voting machines almost reminds one of a Jason Bourne movie. 

      Are we gonna find people floating in rivers next?

      Perhaps an addition to the Hillary suicide hit  list?

      DE
      DennyCaptain12,893 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 11:36
      #17
      09 Nov 2020, 11:36#17

      "And don't ask me for proof as I am following the guidelines of most of the morons on here which is make up what you want and say it as often as possible until the morons believe you."

      Spot on..... It's how this forum rolls.

      RO
      RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 11:42
      #18
      09 Nov 2020, 11:42#18

      Sniff . . . it's all so unfair. Poor Bozo is being cheated. Sob. The naughty Democrats stole the election.

      Boohoohoo!

      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 11:54
      #19
      09 Nov 2020, 11:54#19

      And still no actual response from the Biden bunch.

      Denny, seems strange that you would back up BLM which supposedly campaign for equal rights but then at the same time ignore clear indications of corruption that erodes equal rights through the subversion of democracy. 

      Could it be just another bit of data in a long line of evidence that shows how those campaigning for equal rights aren't actually after equal rights at all?

      It would appear so.

      DA
      Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 12:03
      #20
      09 Nov 2020, 12:03#20

      "And don't ask me for proof "

      "Spot on.....It's how this forum rolls"

      LMAO... actually it's only how some people roll on this here forum…..

      They demand that the truth and the facts be posted ...…. and when the proof is posted, they run for the hills

      DE
      DennyCaptain12,893 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 12:03
      #21
      09 Nov 2020, 12:03#21

      ".....clear indications of corruption..."


      Here for your attention if perchance it flew over your head.....PROOF.....found any?

      "And don't ask me for proof as I am following the guidelines of most of the morons on here which is make up what you want and say it as often as possible until the morons believe you."

      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 12:14
      #22
      09 Nov 2020, 12:14#22

      DA

      "They demand that the truth and the facts be posted...…. and when the proof is posted, they run for the hills. "

      It's happening as we speak.

      RO
      RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 12:26
      #23
      09 Nov 2020, 12:26#23

      For the record, I'm not demanding anything.

      The more conspiracies you lot come up with the better. I just wish Krusty had won by the tiniest of margins so you lot would be even more enraged and indignant.

      There is only one relevant fact here . . . Bozo lost.

      In my opinion, he will go down in history as one of the biggest losers of all time . . . even bigger than you brainwashed Trumpanzees who bought into his pathetically transparent and self-serving sales pitch.


      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 12:32
      #24
      09 Nov 2020, 12:32#24

      In my opinion, when a society is misinformed, the truth becomes the enemy. 

      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 12:44
      #25
      09 Nov 2020, 12:44#25

      What's this now?

      Someone is going through a lot of effort to make all this fake evidence of nefarious goings-on.



      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 12:52
      #26
      09 Nov 2020, 12:52#26

      Lol it just keeps coming too...

      The Biden bunch can feel free to jump in at any time. They did ask for some evidence after all.


      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 13:03
      #27
      09 Nov 2020, 13:03#27

      Haha...so is this all bullshit?

      Apparently local investigations have begun.


      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 13:13
      #28
      09 Nov 2020, 13:13#28

      And yep, it's becoming funny now...

      Lots and lots and lots to debunk boys.

      Hier kom jaare see kak ou boet.


      RO
      RooinekCaptain18,117 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 14:11
      #29
      09 Nov 2020, 14:11#29

      Oh dear, this is awful. What naughty Democrats!

      Naughty, NAUGHTY Democrats!

      DA
      Devil's AdvocatePro7,008 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 14:25
      #30
      09 Nov 2020, 14:25#30

      Some Biden supporters on this forum would probably even condone any illegal electoral interference, purely because their hatred of Trump is so high.

      I see that Putin has outright refused to congratulate Biden until everything has been 100% confirmed.

      There's your Russia collusion again....

      LMFAO

      SH
      sharkbokCaptain23,207 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 14:27
      #31
      09 Nov 2020, 14:27#31


      No evidence of dead people causing widespread voter fraud ...

      www.wusa9.com › article › news › verify › no-evidenc...
      ?? 10,315?? N/A?? N/A2 days ago — There is no evidence to suggest widespread voting by dead people is happening, especially not at rates large enough to swing the results.


      No evidence thousands of dead people cast ballots in Wayne ...

      www.freep.com › michigan › detroit › 2020/11/06 › n...
      ?? 52,254?? 903?? 02 days ago — List of alleged dead voters in Wayne County does not provide evidence of ... "Here is a list of 14+ thousand dead people who voted in Wayne ...


      Claims that dead people voted went viral. These are the facts ...

      edition.cnn.com › michigan-dead-voter-fact-debunking?? 17,361,755?? 2,261?? 021 hours ago — Of the 50, 37 were indeed dead and had not voted, according to the voter information database. Five people out of the 50 had voted -- and they ...

      No, 21000 Dead People in Pennsylvania Did Not Vote

      www.nytimes.com › 2020/11/06 › technology › dead-vot...?? 35,403,442?? 770?? 02 days ago — On Friday, a viral claim that Pennsylvania had 21,000 dead people on its voter rolls spread across the internet. In some versions of the rumor, ...

      No, 21,000 dead people in Pennsylvania did not vote ...

      www.deccanherald.com › ... › World News & Politics
      ?? 42,687?? N/A?? N/A2 days ago — On Friday, a viral claim that Pennsylvania had 21000 dead people on its voter rolls spread across the internet. In some versions of the rumour, ...

      Votes cast in the names of deceased people - Ballotpedia

      ballotpedia.org › Votes_cast_in_the_names_of_decease...
      ?? 69,735?? 3,705?? 0Voting in the name of a deceased person is a form of vote fraud in which someone casts a vote under the name of a deceased person, whose name remains on ...?Relevant research · ?Government ... · ?Case studies · ?Voter list maintenance
      SH
      sharkbokCaptain23,207 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 14:32
      #32
      09 Nov 2020, 14:32#32
      If you count 350 million people they are going to be errors. However, anything with a question mark gets put into a separate pile, and dealt with last.
      This is why the last votes that are counted take the longest, as they need to do the most checks. 

      This includes dead voters or duplicate votes etc. This is routine and happens with every election. It has got more scrutiny this year because of how close some of the states were. Once the results are certified by a State, errors will be removed. 
      Every election has included dead people for various reasons, however, they are not expected to actually influence results of elections. 
      The checking at the end of each election also identifies dead people, and can remove these votes. 
      Very close elections can be recounted 2-3 times, so it will pick up the fraud or errors.
      Let's not forget that the Southern States are the ones that have used voter suppression to try to get a higher percentage of white voters. (e.g. very few places to vote). 
      Trump apparently got 57% of all white voters. The big difference this election was the suburbs, where white women turned against Trump. 
      Trump gets about 90% of the rural voters, who are the least educated white people in America. They are Qanon, and believe the Democrats are a party of Cannibals etc 
      What is being investigated is hundreds of thousands of ballots not being received in time within Florida. (Florida laws say that any ballot must arrive on or before election day- even if the nationwide postal office is slow to deliver mail).  It is suspected that Trumps minion who runs the USPS for the last few months, has intentionally slowed the mail down so that many mail-in ballots will miss the cut of time. (typically democratic voters. 
      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 14:37
      #33
      09 Nov 2020, 14:37#33

      Ah, ok. So this is all Q-Anon?

      Haha Toolbox



      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 14:46
      #34
      09 Nov 2020, 14:46#34

      Could this be true?

      The FBI investigating alleged voter fraud in Michigan?

      Wow, Q-Anon are good. Even fooling the FBI into investigating their conspiracy.

      They are next level trolls those naughty Q-Anon buggers.


      SH
      sharkbokCaptain23,207 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 14:47
      #35
      09 Nov 2020, 14:47#35
      Bum Plum, (aka Butt Plug),
      I realise fact-checking destroys your reality. It makes you feel stupid, because it proves your conspiracies are BS. 
      However, instead of learning from experience, you just look for the next conspiracy so you can feel smart again in your alternate reality. 

      SH
      sharkbokCaptain23,207 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 14:52
      #36
      09 Nov 2020, 14:52#36
      https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/ntd-tv-new-tang-dynasty/
      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 14:56
      #37
      09 Nov 2020, 14:56#37

      haha Vrottie

      There is a lot more coming. 

      Again, I'll ask...do you think that a recount and litigation are legitimate or do you think this is all a conspiracy?

      It' s a simple question and there is enough information available for you to make a judgement.

      Go on, toolbox, let's hear it?

      SH
      sharkbokCaptain23,207 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 15:05
      #38
      09 Nov 2020, 15:05#38

      The allegations have been debunked. When the States certify the results, they will have checked everything by then removing illegitimate votes like dead people. 

      The reality is that the voting stations have representatives from both republican and Democratic parties. 


      PL
      PlumCaptain21,007 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 15:14
      #39
      09 Nov 2020, 15:14#39

      So, are you saying there are no grounds for litigation?

      SH
      sharkbokCaptain23,207 posts
      09 Nov 2020, 15:22
      #40
      09 Nov 2020, 15:22#40
      Yes, no grounds based on any of the ways that you have suggested.




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