I love it...
DeepSeek was created in 2 months, with only 6 million investment.
The US has invested trillions, and DeepSeek has now overtaken ChatGPT as the most downloaded App on Apple.
DeepSeek apparently takes less than 1/30th the computing power as ChatGPT, so it does not require trillion-dollar data centres for computing power.
This would have put the US out in front of an uncatchable position.
Sam Altman was reported as saying "This is not Cool".
Bit embarrassing for Zuckerberg who has just announced massive AI capital expenditure. But things are never so simple….already the spin is, using some of DeepSeek’s techniques with the planned infrastructure will only accelerate AI.
Also Apple is up today….own a piece of the delivery system rather than the technology which can change rapidly. Facebook, Apple and Alphabet have a strong hold on the end user.
Nvidia and Vertiv which supports data center build out, are clearly at risk. But the best chips will still produce the best results.
Microsoft is perhaps most clearly in the cross hairs with ChatGTP. But that gets to the security issue, if TikTok was a risk….what about Deepseek.
Security is a big issue with China, but a Trump America may be a greater risk- at least in the short term.
The user base is impressive of the US companies. Meta and Alphabet are dependent on user data that is collected on the internet. This itself is a security risk and as it lets these companies collect user data to sell back to the host country from where they collect it.
Trump could be the catalyst that clamps down on tracking people's data across the internet. If so, that would hit Big Tech.
Unlucky timing for Trump, just at the start of his term. History will still show it happened under his watch.
Looking foeward to trying it but I can't register. I have requested the verification email about 10 times already but have still received nothing.
Why don't you just install the app and log in with Google?
This could be the issue:
’‘DeepSeek said its newly popular app was hit with a cyber-attack on Monday, which forced the Chinese company to temporarily limit registrations. The attack came after the DeepSeek AI assistant app skyrocketed to the top of Apple’s App Store, becoming the highest rated free app in the US, and climbed high in Google’s Play Store.“
Saarkie, can you ask your mates at ChatGPT re Trump's culpability & criminality on Jan 6 please.
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The events surrounding January 6th, 2021, have led to numerous legal inquiries and investigations into the actions of former President Donald Trump. As of now, Trump has faced multiple legal challenges, but whether or not he personally committed crimes related to January 6th is still the subject of ongoing legal proceedings.
Trump was impeached twice by the House of Representatives, and the second impeachment was directly tied to the January 6th Capitol riot, where he was charged with "incitement of insurrection." However, the Senate acquitted him, meaning he was not convicted of that charge.
In addition to the impeachment, Trump has been the focus of investigations by the U.S. Department of Justice and other agencies, particularly regarding his role in attempts to overturn the results of the 2020 election. Some investigations are looking into whether Trump violated laws related to obstruction, conspiracy, or incitement of violence. Trump has denied any wrongdoing, and as of now, no criminal charges have been filed directly against him for his actions on January 6th, though legal experts have different opinions on the potential outcomes of these investigations.
It’s a complex and evolving legal situation, with a lot of moving parts.
Bob, they really tried but in 4 years they couldn't find anything on him...they really tried...there's probably nothing.
Sorry I forgot ................ 'it was a day of love' according to the fwit pisspoor loser.
Better for them it did not cost them a lot. They are a few decrees away, a few classified so called evidences their AI is a living threat on the existence of the US, so called evidences to be declassified in 50 years to be ordered to sell to US companies lagging behind.
Communism style.
Lap...
Makes sense now...
In a world where China hasn't been the origin of most of the truly dominant software, why would they suddenly be the best at AI?
I'm with Chat on this one and would like more info on just how much of what's under Deep's open source hood has been "borrowed" from Chat and others.
I'll read more when I have time, I've read nothing to date and all I know is that Chat are saying that Deep is guilty of tech theft.
...it's a totally uneducated guess, but China was nowhere with AI, so I'm not buying that they developed the Deep "ethically". Releasing Deep, created from stolen technology, would be China going scorched earth in the hopes of slowing down the West.
Again, just guessing here, but if the US, with the most powerful technology ever created by mankind, shot ahead as the leader in that technology right now, China might never catch up.
Stealing US AI tech and releasing it as open source, where any company could then embed said AI into their systems for free...that would certainly serve to minimise the West's lead.
Apparently when Elon was involved with OpenAI, he was all about having it be open source. But Altman had other ideas. And some say those ideas weren't necessarily Altman's and that he was not so politely "advised" that Chat must never be open source.
My view - Any open source AI beyond a certain power be should be illegal as fuck. Why? Because with no guardrails, in light of the coming exponential increases in compute, in the wrong hands it could be a mega dangerous. Like mega mega dangerous.
It is not just the software, it is how DeepSeek was able to solve hardware problems.
Big Tech in the US said trillion-dollar data centres were the only way forward.
Had this been the case, America would have gotten too far ahead. They are not worried about the West collectively, but more about their leadership of it.
Now other countries can replicate what China did with a small budget.
This Chinese company's innovative approach means that the hardware cost is no longer prohibitive.
DeepSeek had been trained on ChatGPT data, but ChatGPT is trained on data from the internet that they never asked permission to use. (Hence many copyright issues).
ChatGPT is also crawling Google Search to piggyback off the page rankings that rely on user experience to rank content. A combination of using other people's content and the user data of how people engage/rank the content.
The ChatGPT approach was to get it to memorise as much data as possible which is very costly.
DeepSeek used reverse engineering to allow the model to try to solve the problem with limited data. Then they trained it with more data until they got similar outputs.
So they used AI to train the AI, instead of just using a huge dataset.
DeepSeek has changed the whole industry. It is now attainable for many countries to develop base models, instead of relying on US tech. Even if someone does not use DeepSeek, and instead uses a competitor that copied the DeepSeek model (open source)- this is a game changer.
Love ghe wwat SB falls for Chinese BS allegations and media BS, China wants total control over AI worldwide and how do you knw what real costs they incurred in stealing US technolgy with the aid of the Biden's and other Democrat crooks,
.it's a totally uneducated guess, but China was nowhere with AI, so I'm not buying that they developed the Deep "ethically".
Ethics and liberals, who in history has shown less ethics than liberals? Maybe time to ask Chat and see how it fares with the multiple contradictions liberalism bears.